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  1. Mellimel22's Avatar
    I'll rather have a pc

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    12-29-2012 05:36 PM
  2. zapfrog's Avatar
    Just read this ridiculous article. Macs come with high quality software. Really?! Could've fooled me, I've never used any of it because it's essentially bloatware just from Apple, and really not any good.

    Cheap crap from Tiger or Newegg? Are you freaking serious?! Sure there's cheap crap but they also sell high quality stuff and it's still cheaper than the crap offered in my Mac.

    Sorry my friends and I built pc's in college that were better than Macs and half the price.

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    12-29-2012 06:39 PM
  3. badbrad17's Avatar
    Umm prove it. Build a PC that compares to a IMAC with the same SPECs. Sorry dude, you are wrong. Been in the PC field for over 20 years and as of today they are pretty equal with the same components with a much better warranty and look on the MAC side. Dell All in One, actually are more expensive in 27". Amazing.

    Oh, and the IMAC comes with IPS display, with the smallest shell you will ever find, and 3TB Fusion Drive (SSD/HD combo). Wireless keyboard and mouse and a full 1 year warranty standard that covers both the software and hardware and as many calls as you want. That monitor itself is $1000 bucks plus from Apple or Dell any way you look at it and it's known to be the best out of all the 27" screens. So actually the computer itself is about $1200-1500 bucks.
    You are splitting hairs with the monitor. Yes Apple makes nice monitors, but so does Dell if you buy their Ultra Sharp displays. I actually feel that the color correction is better on my Dell than my iMac when it comes to matching for print.
    That system you posted is $500 more than the a very similar Dell system which comes with a number of add ons like touch screen and 16GB of Ram instead of 8GB. If you add the extra 8GB of ram and you have another $200+ on your system, so you're is much more. But anyone that buys an all in one is a idjit.
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    I would recommend buying a desktop system as you can get even more.
    Here's a system with an i7, 32GB of RAM, 3TB ofHD + 256GB SSD and 1.5GB Nvidia and a 27inch monitor and a "Bluray burner" for the same price as the iMac which is an all in one that is not very upgradeable.
    When will the media and public's love affair with the iPhone end?-dell-desktop.jpg

    Or you could piece it together a bit more and go this way (see what I'm doing here? I have choice)
    Same i7, 24GB of Ram, 2TB HD, The super fast AMD 7870 Video card, a bluray burner for only $1799
    Then I can add a 30 inch monitor for $999 and still be close to the same price as your system for waaaaaaayyy more.
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    If I match spec for spec, your iMac system as a Dell desktop with specs as close as I can get it only costs me $1235.00. So even if I added an extra $500 just for snizzles and sheets I am only at $1735.

    And for what it's worth, it's not always about buying the most expensive system. If I opted to buy a slightly cheaper system I could get even more value and still get a very fast PC yet the iMac would not be a lot cheaper.
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    12-29-2012 07:54 PM
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    12-29-2012 07:59 PM
  5. badbrad17's Avatar
    Sure, with cheap crap. Like I said, a BOUGHT SYSTEM built with the same spec as the Apple. Dell, HP, etc go build one and show me it being cheaper. All in ones as that is equal to a MAC. It's a FACT not opinion that SPEC vs SPEC MAC VS PC costs are the same period.

    I have a System that cost me $2700 to build 1 year ago, and that IMAC I posted is faster than it.

    Read this as you might learn something.

    HowStuffWorks "Are Macs more expensive than comparable PCs?"

    Are Macs more expensive than comparable PCs?
    Did you actually read that How stuff works article? It is in no way giving Apple a hand up on anything. In fact it is really saying that they are more expensive so they should be better. In real world experience "for over 20 years" (job and credential name drop) this was true maybe 10 years ago, but now the hardware is far beyond what most people need in their day to day use. The issue of crashing and problems is just not as apparent any more. I see it every day. We buid software and do graphic design. We use both Macs and PC's and the truth is that the Macs work great but they are far over priced. My 1 year old Dell PC runs faster than my 2 year old Mac yet the mac was over double the price, so the value is not there because in 1 more year I can buy another Dell and sill have spent less than the Mac.
    12-29-2012 08:06 PM
  6. nizmoz's Avatar
    Pretty obvious you have no clue what you are talking about and now you will just diss the article because you don't believe it. Fools like you make this community a rough place for people who are here to have a nice discussion and are open to both sides. I own a PC I don't own a MAC but I work on both daily. OS-X is Unix based. Unix is known to be a great operating system.

    Yep, cheap stuff like cheapest motherboard, memory you can find to make the pc cheaper than what is comparable to the mac price. Newegg has good stuff obviously because I bought my stuff from them to build this high end machine. You sir misread and thought I said all of New egg stuff is cheap when i reality I never said that, you just dreamed it up.

    Sorry, FACTs are facts. I provided them, you didn't. MAC and PC specs vs spec are equal in price. I am sure you did, but not with the same specs of the MACs they sell.

    Just read this ridiculous article. Macs come with high quality software. Really?! Could've fooled me, I've never used any of it because it's essentially bloatware just from Apple, and really not any good.

    Cheap crap from Tiger or Newegg? Are you freaking serious?! Sure there's cheap crap but they also sell high quality stuff and it's still cheaper than the crap offered in my Mac.

    Sorry my friends and I built pc's in college that were better than Macs and half the price.

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    12-29-2012 08:23 PM
  7. nizmoz's Avatar
    Really? Now you actually showed me how much you really know. The Dell 27" IPS display is exactly the same panel as the Apple Cinema 27". LOL.

    The Dell is not that upgradeable either. Very little for PCI ports or room. Also, the Apple has that Fusion system so you get the space with the speed of SSD which is nice. Apple also comes with a 680MX much better video card and obviously more expensive.

    Either way, we need to get back on topic. This is about iphones not Macs. :P

    You are splitting hairs with the monitor. Yes Apple makes nice monitors, but so does Dell if you buy their Ultra Sharp displays. I actually feel that the color correction is better on my Dell than my iMac when it comes to matching for print.
    That system you posted is $500 more than the a very similar Dell system which comes with a number of add ons like touch screen and 16GB of Ram instead of 8GB. If you add the extra 8GB of ram and you have another $200+ on your system, so you're is much more. But anyone that buys an all in one is a idjit.
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    I would recommend buying a desktop system as you can get even more.
    Here's a system with an i7, 32GB of RAM, 3TB ofHD + 256GB SSD and 1.5GB Nvidia and a 27inch monitor and a "Bluray burner" for the same price as the iMac which is an all in one that is not very upgradeable.
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    Or you could piece it together a bit more and go this way (see what I'm doing here? I have choice)
    Same i7, 24GB of Ram, 2TB HD, The super fast AMD 7870 Video card, a bluray burner for only $1799
    Then I can add a 30 inch monitor for $999 and still be close to the same price as your system for waaaaaaayyy more.
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    If I match spec for spec, your iMac system as a Dell desktop with specs as close as I can get it only costs me $1235.00. So even if I added an extra $500 just for snizzles and sheets I am only at $1735.

    And for what it's worth, it's not always about buying the most expensive system. If I opted to buy a slightly cheaper system I could get even more value and still get a very fast PC yet the iMac would not be a lot cheaper.
    12-29-2012 08:28 PM
  8. badbrad17's Avatar
    Really? Now you actually showed me how much you really know. The Dell 27" IPS display is exactly the same panel as the Apple Cinema 27". LOL.

    The Dell is not that upgradeable either. Very little for PCI ports or room. Also, the Apple has that Fusion system so you get the space with the speed of SSD which is nice. Apple also comes with a 680MX much better video card and obviously more expensive.

    Either way, we need to get back on topic. This is about iphones not Macs. :P
    The reality is that Dell doesn't sell Mac's so the specs are different. I know that Apple displays are nice, but I priced a 30" not a 27" and I also have inflated every spec possible on the Dell system and it is far less than the Mac. And the systems I quoted had SSD's so they are the same. Plus it is a desktop system which is totally upgradable. Far more than the pancake box of an iMac. Not that we upgrade much anyway, but it is what it is. You can;t even compare a Mac desktop system anymore. If you go to the Mac Pro system that is not a all in one the Dell system would have to be a full blown server with 2 quad core Xeon's and 64GB of ram and so many options it's ridiculous to even come close to the price of the Mac Pro. and the video card on the Mac Pro is still a 5870 which isn't even close to the graphics card I included.

    You asked me to give you pricing and I did. You are trying to paddle with a sh*t paddle with sh*t gloves in a sh*t canoe. Even if I bought a Apple monitor I would still be cheaper a lot cheaper as a PC with a lot more hardware and faster video card.
    12-29-2012 08:53 PM
  9. xlDeMoNiClx's Avatar
    The reality is that Dell doesn't sell Mac's so the specs are different. I know that Apple displays are nice, but I have inflated every spec possible on the Dell system and it is far less than the Mac. And the systems I quoted had SSD's so they are the same. Plus it is a desktop system which is totally upgradable. Far more than the pancake box of an iMac. Not that we upgrade much anyway, but it is what it is. You can;t even compare a Mac desktop system anymore. If you go to the Mac Pro system that is not a all in one the Dell system would have to be a full blown server with 2 quad core Xeon's and 64GB of ram and so many options it's ridiculous to even come close to the price of the Mac Pro. and the video card on the Mac Pro is still a 5870 which isn't even close to the graphics card I included.

    You asked me to give you pricing and I did. You are trying to paddle with a sh*t paddle with sh*t gloves in a sh*t canoe. Even if I bought a Apple monitor I would still be cheaper a lot cheaper as a PC with a lot more hardware and faster video card.
    I think you're wasting your time dude. Leave him to his so-called "20 years experience" and let's get back to why this topic was made.

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    12-29-2012 08:57 PM
  10. badbrad17's Avatar
    I think you're wasting your time dude. Leave him to his so-called "20 years experience" and let's get back to why this topic was made.

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    Thank's buddy. I just needed to get it all off my chest :-)
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    12-29-2012 09:01 PM
  11. xlDeMoNiClx's Avatar
    Thank's buddy. I just needed to get it all off my chest :-)
    Fair enough bro.

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    12-29-2012 09:02 PM
  12. nizmoz's Avatar
    From the one that had no proof or data to back up his claims. Lol

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    12-29-2012 11:35 PM
  13. badbrad17's Avatar
    From the one that had no proof or data to back up his claims. Lol

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    is your post referring to me?

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    12-29-2012 11:40 PM
  14. kgk1985's Avatar
    Apple is just remarkable marketing. THAT IS ALL

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    12-29-2012 11:52 PM
  15. xlDeMoNiClx's Avatar
    is your post referring to me?

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    Probably me, but I don't care. I have more important things to do with my time. Lol

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    12-29-2012 11:59 PM
  16. TheOtherBill's Avatar
    From the one that had no proof or data to back up his claims. Lol
    Both were presented here: Link to post with proof & data. So why do you say that?
    12-30-2012 12:36 AM
  17. MrMLK's Avatar
    You asked me to give you pricing and I did. You are trying to paddle with a sh*t paddle with sh*t gloves in a sh*t canoe. Even if I bought a Apple monitor I would still be cheaper a lot cheaper as a PC with a lot more hardware and faster video card.
    Brad,

    Have you factored in resale value at all? You might pay less up front with a Dell, but if you look at what the older ones sell for on eBay, its not that much. Macs tend to hold their value much better.

    I haven't done any actual comparisons, but I wonder if the total cost of ownership is really that different.

    Having said that, this is all somewhat silly anyhow. I didn't switch because of hardware differences. I ultimately switched because I strongly prefer the Unix based OSX to WIndows.
    12-30-2012 01:18 AM
  18. piizzadude's Avatar
    I am not touching this one really but to say this. If the value of an object is high when it is new it will retain a higher resell value because of that alone

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    12-30-2012 01:54 AM
  19. badbrad17's Avatar
    Brad,

    Have you factored in resale value at all? You might pay less up front with a Dell, but if you look at what the older ones sell for on eBay, its not that much. Macs tend to hold their value much better.

    I haven't done any actual comparisons, but I wonder if the total cost of ownership is really that different.

    Having said that, this is all somewhat silly anyhow. I didn't switch because of hardware differences. I ultimately switched because I strongly prefer the Unix based OSX to WIndows.
    Well let me clarify my position on this. I run a graphic design company that also does custom Internet application development as well as mobile apps. We use both Macs and PCs, so although I am biased to price and overall value, I can appreciate both platforms. But I do feel Macs have been over priced for years. We are now dealing with systems capable of running 99% of our software for very little money. We are no longer playing the software catch up game, so to answer your question... I typically use my computers until they are dead. I have a good process for how I delegate computers in my office as not everyone requires a power system. I have designers that need faster everything, then programmers and administrative staff that don't need much. So when I buy a new system for one of my designers I give their old system to one of my other staff members. And the computer at the bottom of the ladder is typically worth squat regardless of whether it is a Mac or PC as it is usually around 5 years old or more. So then I usually give this system to charity or to my kids or use it as a basic Internet system in my kitchen etc. I squeeze all the love I can out of my systems. I do find that because all my PCs are a bit more upgradable that I can even swap parts to get more life out of them. Usually when a Mac is older its not as easy to get the extra life out of it. Usually it's that the hard drive is just too small. But if I was to be selling a system every couple of years a Mac would probably sell for more, but it should because it also costs a lot more. The comparisons we were making were for power systems. In a typical office you would never need 3tb of hd or the crazy graphics cards etc. so this is where PCs can be beneficial to the business owner. I can buy a computer for $500 and still get lots of life out of it as most employees just need communication tools. I guess it is a matter of knowing what to buy for the purpose of the user. This was also why I was happy to see the new Mac mini. They are much more affordable for administrative type users that don't need what a regular iMac offers. It gives me more options.

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    12-30-2012 02:06 AM
  20. nizmoz's Avatar
    Brad,

    Have you factored in resale value at all? You might pay less up front with a Dell, but if you look at what the older ones sell for on eBay, its not that much. Macs tend to hold their value much better.

    I haven't done any actual comparisons, but I wonder if the total cost of ownership is really that different.

    Having said that, this is all somewhat silly anyhow. I didn't switch because of hardware differences. I ultimately switched because I strongly prefer the Unix based OSX to WIndows.
    Agreed. Sell iphone4s for around 400 right now. Or a 1 year old mbp that went for 1599 is worth around 1200-1300 while pcs of the same are about 700-800.

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    12-30-2012 07:43 AM
  21. nrm5110's Avatar
    Agreed. Sell iphone4s for around 400 right now. Or a 1 year old mbp that went for 1599 is worth around 1200-1300 while pcs of the same are about 700-800.

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    First off I gotta call bs nobody in the PC world buys a desktop at a price similar to the mbp and sells it a year later. Second I doubt that said PC would sell for around half its price.

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    12-30-2012 09:21 AM
  22. badbrad17's Avatar
    Agreed. Sell iphone4s for around 400 right now. Or a 1 year old mbp that went for 1599 is worth around 1200-1300 while pcs of the same are about 700-800.

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    I never look at resale anymore. Why buy it if you are selling it? As for laptops. The MBP is a fine unit, but seriously over priced. If I went all in and bought a nice system for around $2000 I could buy a comparable Dell Ultra book for $1000. Now before you get your panties in a wad, let's say that the mbp is superior. But the ultra book is still no slouch.

    We then use are systems and in 3 years your mpb will be showing some wear and tear as will my ultra book. I decide to go buy a new ultra book for $1000 and now have a system with the latest and greatest while you still have you 3 year old mbp. I can now get another 3 years of use out of my new ultra book where your mbp would never be able to get another 3. We both spent the same yet the dell laptop would be the clear winner in the long run.

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    12-30-2012 10:52 AM
  23. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    I never look at resale anymore. Why buy it if you are selling it? As for laptops. The MBP is a fine unit, but seriously over priced. If I went all in and bought a nice system for around $2000 I could buy a comparable Dell Ultra book for $1000. Now before you get your panties in a wad, let's say that the mbp is superior. But the ultra book is still no slouch.

    We then use are systems and in 3 years your mpb will be showing some wear and tear as will my ultra book. I decide to go buy a new ultra book for $1000 and now have a system with the latest and greatest while you still have you 3 year old mbp. I can now get another 3 years of use out of my new ultra book where your mbp would never be able to get another 3. We both spent the same yet the dell laptop would be the clear winner in the long run.

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    You are comparing the wrong units... the UltraBook is in competition with the MacBook Air... not the MacBook Pro.... the Pro blows the $1000 UltraBook out of the water.
    12-30-2012 12:12 PM
  24. nizmoz's Avatar
    First off I gotta call bs nobody in the PC world buys a desktop at a price similar to the mbp and sells it a year later. Second I doubt that said PC would sell for around half its price.

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    I have. Dell xps 15 over 2k was only worth 1k. Every mbp i have sold for only a few hundred less than what it cost me a year later. Again some people refuse to research on here.

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    12-30-2012 12:50 PM
  25. nizmoz's Avatar
    I never look at resale anymore. Why buy it if you are selling it? As for laptops. The MBP is a fine unit, but seriously over priced. If I went all in and bought a nice system for around $2000 I could buy a comparable Dell Ultra book for $1000. Now before you get your panties in a wad, let's say that the mbp is superior. But the ultra book is still no slouch.

    We then use are systems and in 3 years your mpb will be showing some wear and tear as will my ultra book. I decide to go buy a new ultra book for $1000 and now have a system with the latest and greatest while you still have you 3 year old mbp. I can now get another 3 years of use out of my new ultra book where your mbp would never be able to get another 3. We both spent the same yet the dell laptop would be the clear winner in the long run.

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    Funny because there are more old macs in use than pcs because they still run fast and dont have the bloated windowd and other applications that slow them down. So again wrong. There are also many articles on this.

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    12-30-2012 12:52 PM
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