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  1. Ry's Avatar
    no one even hinted at that. We we're just stating that a major reason for market saturation is it's availability in every corner of the market. It's partially Androids fault because it is free and open source no one is knocking it just stating facts
    You make it sound like it's a bad thing.

    It's not.
    12-12-2012 05:07 PM
  2. AndreaCristiano's Avatar
    You make it sound like it's a bad thing.

    It's not.
    In a way it is. It increases fragmentation cheapens the experience for tea bottom end of the spectrum and waters down Android. Remember windows mobile? Basically the same patterns are emerging. Like I said I am an avid Android user but if they locked it down a bit and didn't make it fully opened they could benefit. Just look at the situation if they controlled OS updates. Just that would dramatically change Android for the better I might add. Cheaper phones should be stuffed with crap like bada OS and Symbian which could live on in that format
    12-12-2012 05:13 PM
  3. nrm5110's Avatar
    In a way it is. It increases fragmentation cheapens the experience for tea bottom end of the spectrum and waters down Android. Remember windows mobile? Basically the same patterns are emerging. Like I said I am an avid Android user but if they locked it down a bit and didn't make it fully opened they could benefit. Just look at the situation if they controlled OS updates. Just that would dramatically change Android for the better I might add. Cheaper phones should be stuffed with crap like bada OS and Symbian which could live on in that format
    Clearly you dont understand what android was built for. Google is getting what it wants with that 75% market share. Why would they kill that by closing it off. Its not about the users for google its about your info. The people who need to focus on the user are oems.

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    12-12-2012 05:24 PM
  4. AndreaCristiano's Avatar
    Clearly you dont understand what android was built for. Google is getting what it wants with that 75% market share. Why would they kill that by closing it off. Its not about the users for google its about your info. The people who need to focus on the user are oems.

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    Clearly you don't understand what I said. I completely understand Android and what it was bought for not built as google bought it didn't create it. Also like I said not closed but a little more control. Windows mobile died a horrible death and it was the same scenario. Now not every mistake made was replicated by google but some have been
    12-12-2012 05:27 PM
  5. Shanicenicolle's Avatar
    Apple's IOS works plain and simple and as stated for the average user its easy to "get" and yes its somewhat of a status. I love my ipad and would never buy another tablet and am a 10 day android owner and would never use an iphone again, unless there is a major overhaul with the OS and the phone screen becomes 4.5"+
    Right around the time you stop worrying about what other people are using and enjoy your device! :rolleyes:
    12-12-2012 07:39 PM
  6. Mellimel22's Avatar
    Android is dominating because of the cheap $9.99 phones or free phone. That means nothing. I see more Honda Accords than I do Lambos. Which one would most people want?
    I have to disagree to a point. Nobody told apple to only let att sell iPhone at first. Second this was the PURPOSE of Android phones to give an average consumer who couldn't afford an iPhone or wasn't a bbm work drone to have a smartphone. Plus the most popular phone this year wasn't no damn free or 10 bucks lol. The lowest ive seen a sgs3 was 150 ON contract. Like i said its all about choice. And to me a s3 or gn2 is the lambos of the smartphone world ip5 is like a bentley looks good but fragile and users dont really show em off much(cases) while my gnex is like a Chevy corvette lol

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    12-12-2012 07:55 PM
  7. Johnly's Avatar
    Someone thought it would end??? LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    12-12-2012 07:59 PM
  8. badbrad17's Avatar
    Android is dominating because of the cheap $9.99 phones or free phone. That means nothing. I see more Honda Accords than I do Lambos. Which one would most people want?
    Phone price is irrelevant for most people. The SGS3 is not a cheap phone. In fact all of the top phones are expensive. Your comment makes no sense.

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    12-12-2012 09:57 PM
  9. piizzadude's Avatar
    Spot on.

    It's hilarious when people on forums like this claim that "stock Android" or "unlocked bootloaders" would automatically fix all of the problems Android OEMs not named Samsung currently have.
    Yeah say that in the Nexus 4 forums a few times and see how you get infraction points and banned

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    12-12-2012 10:02 PM
  10. tewest86's Avatar
    Phone price is irrelevant for most people. The SGS3 is not a cheap phone. In fact all of the top phones are expensive. Your comment makes no sense.

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    How does it not make sense? A comment was made that Android dominates the market. I said its not hard when people are grabbing the free phones. My parents for example, always upgrade to a free phone. Androids have tons of free phones. It's not rocket surgery.
    12-13-2012 12:19 AM
  11. nrm5110's Avatar
    How does it not make sense? A comment was made that Android dominates the market. I said its not hard when people are grabbing the free phones. My parents for example, always upgrade to a free phone. Androids have tons of free phones. It's not rocket surgery.
    OK and why did Google buy up and develop the android project... I promise you it wasn't to create an os to reach only high end markets. Its all about getting your information to sell to vendors. Mission accomplished 75% of the smartphone market that's massive and makes android a success to Google. IOS only holds 14% of the global market but they aren't doing this for the same reason as Google they developed the whole package because their money comes from the hardware so if they sell at the highest profit margins of any hardware maker out there and their stuff still sells like hotcakes they win too.

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    12-13-2012 12:46 AM
  12. badbrad17's Avatar
    How does it not make sense? A comment was made that Android dominates the market. I said its not hard when people are grabbing the free phones. My parents for example, always upgrade to a free phone. Androids have tons of free phones. It's not rocket surgery.
    Ha ha. Love the rocket surgery comment. My point is that the majority of phones being sold are not the cheap or free ones. The SGS3 and note 2 are selling like mad. These are not free. People are buying the N4 at full rate.

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    12-13-2012 12:55 AM
  13. sr2012's Avatar
    OK I properly played with the S3 just now. Build quality is nice. Screen is absolutely unbelievable. Personally I prefer the OneX but I can definitely see why S3 is the phone to beat.

    Still, just with my Xperia S now on 4.0.4 I don't want to go back to iPhone, especially without Steve Jobs and also Apple fired Scott Forstall, the guy in charge of iOS.

    Yes it is annoying that the best experience requires rooting and sometimes debloating but with 4.2 Google and the manufacturers are starting to come to a good understanding that user experience its everything. Everything.

    Now that I have rooted, flashed stock ROM, and debloated all without having to unlock the bootloader, this phone really starts to sing. From being totally unusable just a few months back on Gingerbread.

    Apple has nothing to worry about per se but watch out 2013 because once Android gets a foothold in tablet vs iPad it could finally take off for tablet like it did smartphones.

    Even Swype... Why the heck hasn't Apple implemented it at least as an option? It is absolutely amazing for me.

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    12-13-2012 05:57 AM
  14. MrMLK's Avatar
    Ha ha. Love the rocket surgery comment. My point is that the majority of phones being sold are not the cheap or free ones. The SGS3 and note 2 are selling like mad. These are not free. People are buying the N4 at full rate.
    Two comments about this:

    1) It is my understanding that the higher end Android phones are selling very well in the US and Europe, not so well in developing markets like India. In india, the lower end smartphones are doing the best by a wide margin.

    2) Even with only about 15% of the market, Apple is still making about 90% of the profits in the smartphone business. Perhaps that's due to their higher market on higher end phones.
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    12-13-2012 07:58 AM
  15. Mellimel22's Avatar
    1.is india a first world county?? I dont think so so free smartphones is a +

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    12-13-2012 08:26 AM
  16. The Real X Dawg's Avatar
    How does it not make sense? A comment was made that Android dominates the market. I said its not hard when people are grabbing the free phones. My parents for example, always upgrade to a free phone. Androids have tons of free phones. It's not rocket surgery.
    One X+, Galaxy S3, Note 2, Nexus 4, Optimus G, Droid DNA, and the Razr HD are not free phones. Sure those cheap phones may pad the sales at bit but let's not ignore the Galaxy S3 and Note 2 for Samsung at least are selling in large amounts. One other thing some of those cheap phones are just older phones that were the best or have some niche feature like the Rugby Pro or a slider. This time next year the Galaxy S3 and Note 1 could easily be one of those cheap phones.


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    12-13-2012 08:31 AM
  17. badbrad17's Avatar
    Two comments about this:

    1) It is my understanding that the higher end Android phones are selling very well in the US and Europe, not so well in developing markets like India. In india, the lower end smartphones are doing the best by a wide margin.

    2) Even with only about 15% of the market, Apple is still making about 90% of the profits in the smartphone business. Perhaps that's due to their higher market on higher end phones.
    Where did you get the numbers for the 90% part?

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    12-13-2012 08:48 AM
  18. MrMLK's Avatar
    Where did you get the numbers for the 90% part?
    I just went to find the link, and my numbers were off a bit. Apple+Samsung is 90%, with Apple getting about 71% of that. Same point however.

    You can find the information all over, here's a sample link.

    Pie chart of the day: Apple's share of smartphone profits - Apple 2.0 - Fortune Tech
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    12-13-2012 09:09 AM
  19. sr2012's Avatar
    I just went to find the link, and my numbers were off a bit. Apple+Samsung is 90%, with Apple getting about 71% of that. Same point however.

    You can find the information all over, here's a sample link.

    Pie chart of the day: Apple's share of smartphone profits - Apple 2.0 - Fortune Tech
    Some of the problem is the channel stuffing with so many low to mid-end Android phones in 1st world countries. People that provide that profit margin want something that will really go up against iPhone not mediocre stuff.

    Australia is really lucky, there is no recession yet so either people have a totally old phone or otherwise iPhone or Samsung high-end. The mid-range Androids are just collecting dust.

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    12-13-2012 09:26 AM
  20. badbrad17's Avatar
    I just went to find the link, and my numbers were off a bit. Apple+Samsung is 90%, with Apple getting about 71% of that. Same point however.

    You can find the information all over, here's a sample link.

    Pie chart of the day: Apple's share of smartphone profits - Apple 2.0 - Fortune Tech
    That was a test. You passed

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    12-13-2012 10:33 AM
  21. MrMLK's Avatar
    That was a test. You passed
    Was the test to see if I would correct my mistake, or if I actually had a link?
    12-13-2012 10:43 AM
  22. badbrad17's Avatar
    Some of the problem is the channel stuffing with so many low to mid-end Android phones in 1st world countries. People that provide that profit margin want something that will really go up against iPhone not mediocre stuff.

    Australia is really lucky, there is no recession yet so either people have a totally old phone or otherwise iPhone or Samsung high-end. The mid-range Androids are just collecting dust.

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    I agree that Android is doing better because there are cheaper options but if Android sucked as an os people wouldn't buy them. The fact that Samsung is pretty much single handedly taking on Apple says a lot right now as to where Android is. Apple needs a bigger phone and a cheaper phone. Just selling off old iPhone 4's and 4s's isn't enough. The limited selection with the high price point is good for fans but not good for the majority of consumers. The iphone has a lot of status to it so when someone has last years model their status is diminished and they end up complaining about their phone or making excuses. Android has so many more phones that the status thing isn't quite as rampant among the average consumer but because the hardware is at the top if the heap on Android people still get the status boost for less money. For example someone who can't afford the iPhone 5 can choose to buy a dated iPhone 4s and lose status and make excuses or buy a S3, Note 2 or a nexus 4 with the latest and greatest and be able to do more and still brag about it. It's the 10/10/80% rule. 10 will be fans for Apple regardless and 10% will be fans of Android regardless but there are 80% that are in the middle. These are the swing vote so to speak. Once the market figures out that you can get the same or better experience for less the 80% will swing one way or the other. Apple has had this in their favor for a long time but things are now changing and the 80% are talking.

    Android is out playing Apple just like Microsoft did. The iPhone 5s will be a mediocre upgrade which will only give Android more momentum. Apple is digging very deep in their think tank right now because the iP6 needs to be a game changer. If its more of the same I think it will be very much a repeat of the RIM situation. They will need to play catch-up and because Apple doesn't put out 10 top tier phones a year like Android manufacturers they may never be able to catch up.

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    12-13-2012 10:57 AM
  23. badbrad17's Avatar
    Was the test to see if I would correct my mistake, or if I actually had a link?
    Both. No harm no foul. Liking what you have to say.:thumbup:

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    12-13-2012 10:58 AM
  24. Mwow's Avatar
    I just went to find the link, and my numbers were off a bit. Apple+Samsung is 90%, with Apple getting about 71% of that. Same point however.

    You can find the information all over, here's a sample link.

    Pie chart of the day: Apple's share of smartphone profits - Apple 2.0 - Fortune Tech
    If this is the case, wouldn't this be mostly because Apple has been able to corner the market on discounted manufacturing costs over others (which seems to be changing now), plus the inflated prices on their products?
    12-13-2012 11:01 AM
  25. sr2012's Avatar
    If this is the case, wouldn't this be mostly because Apple has been able to corner the market on discounted manufacturing costs over others (which seems to be changing now), plus the inflated prices on their products?
    Yes in a way but also because this is what Apple has been doing best for a long time. That is, knowing how to have good profit margins at the expense of market share.

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    12-13-2012 11:55 AM
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