06-12-2013 12:05 AM
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  1. soulstlr's Avatar
    i must be missing something here...
    isn't any person here bothered that their information was handed over to the feds (nsa)?
    i, personally, do not believe that verizon is the only culprit in this breach.
    do you actually believe for a millisecond that they do not have transcripts of conversations?
    leave it to verizon to roll over and have the feds scratch their soft spot... what were they promised in return?
    i hate to be a conspiracy theorist but with gps tracking your every move (for the sake of google maps right) and now
    our conversations logged continuously perhaps we should just invite the nsa over for dinner.
    i would give my address, but i'm sure they already have it...
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    06-06-2013 04:28 PM
  2. msndrstood's Avatar
    No conversions were monitored. Calls from phone A to phone B and duration of call was the focus. A FISA warrant is required to monitor actual phone calls, which was not done in this case. The Patriot Act allows this and was renewed 3 times by Congress

    http://www.propublica.org/special/no...r-digital-data

    What?! ...I'm msndrstood.
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    06-06-2013 04:35 PM
  3. soulstlr's Avatar
    no offense...
    a mere point "a" to "b" phone call is useless without a point of reference and context.
    just because it requires a warrant does not mean it was procured.
    how many times have we seen these trivial necessities ignored?
    just food for thought...

    also: how about holding the big "v" accountable and making them more consumer advocacy minded? nah... never happen!
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    06-06-2013 04:47 PM
  4. jdub1981's Avatar
    All this data really does is say someone used your phone to call someone or text someone, what that number was, duration of the call and cell towers used to make the call.

    Honestly, I use the phone and I pay the service fee to have the capability to mobile and connected at the same time. Ive never once thought that everything I've done was completely private. I dont own the network nor the towers my device connects to.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 2
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    06-06-2013 05:19 PM
  5. soulstlr's Avatar
    i have to say that i think we are missing a valuable point: privacy is a right not a privilege...
    what's next?
    i don't own the store i get my groceries from either, but i surely don't expect them to investigate what i made for dinner.
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    06-06-2013 05:24 PM
  6. rankar7's Avatar
    Really, there are other things to worry about.

    You have no idea about some of the other stuff (like your checking account, for example).

    Just accept it is a small price to pay for living in our incredible country. If you can't, why don't you try Samsung's hometown of Korea. You'll be shocked.

    Let's find ways to leave our own personal positive mark on the world instead of worrying about stuff like this.

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note II
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    06-07-2013 07:13 AM
  7. Eclipse2K's Avatar
    My friend asked me the same question and I told him that I didn't mind. I have nothing to hide and I don't consider any form of communication private other than a face to face in my own home. And even then you need to be careful with technology the way it is.

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note II
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    06-07-2013 08:47 AM
  8. soulstlr's Avatar
    NSA taps in to user data of Facebook, Google and others, secret files reveal.
    the guardian

    so, are you still ok with it?
    06-07-2013 09:36 AM
  9. karsdroid's Avatar
    When i first heard the report I thought, whatever i have nothing to hide, but really thats not the point. the point is that there was no disclosure. if we know the information is being collected and we are ok with that then no problem, if we aren't good with that and want to try a different carrier (i'm sure the rest of the carriers have been asked for the same information also though i haven't heard that yet) then we should have that freedom. the point is that we should have the information and the choice.....freedom is what makes this country great. frankly given the revelations of the last couple of months accompanied by circus music in washington, i'm not sure i trust the government to do the right thing.....its pathetic.
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    06-07-2013 10:08 AM
  10. Eclipse2K's Avatar
    NSA taps in to user data of Facebook, Google and others, secret files reveal.
    the guardian

    so, are you still ok with it?
    I don't use Facebook. Google is used for general search purposes. I do nothing secretive online anyways. So yes, I am still okay with it.

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note II
    06-07-2013 11:25 AM
  11. msndrstood's Avatar
    NSA taps in to user data of Facebook, Google and others, secret files reveal.
    the guardian

    so, are you still ok with it?
    This isn't anything new. They have been scraping FB for years for trigger words. Where have you been, it's old news.

    You should be more concerned about the data mining companies that employers use to decide whether to hire you or not. There are no checks and balances on them at all.

    What?! ...I'm msndrstood.
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    06-07-2013 02:00 PM
  12. soulstlr's Avatar
    where have i been?
    i've been in combat... where have you been?
    sitting at home enjoying the benefits?
    all of this bothers me... i didn't shed blood to have it eroded piece by piece.
    06-07-2013 02:09 PM
  13. zeuswsu's Avatar
    I've been using Google products for the last few years so I'm sure all my "private" information is already out there. So no, this report didn't really bother me.

    Edit: I meant that this report in particular doesn't bother me since I've already resigned to the fact that my personal info is already being monitored and sold by Google, Facebook, etc. That does in fact bother me a little, but it is what it is. That's how they make money.

    Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk 2
    06-07-2013 03:20 PM
  14. msndrstood's Avatar
    where have i been?
    i've been in combat... where have you been?
    sitting at home enjoying the benefits?
    all of this bothers me... i didn't shed blood to have it eroded piece by piece.
    Uh, yeah. I'm 56. My father served, my entire family are cops. So forgive me for not joining the military after 9/11.

    My point was that this stuff has been going on since 2002 and the enactment of the Patriot Act. It's been all over the news for the past 10 years, hence my comment about where you've been. Relax, it was a rhetorical question, not literal. Sheesh.

    What?! ...I'm msndrstood.
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    06-07-2013 03:58 PM
  15. soulstlr's Avatar
    to msndrstood: i apologize if i took your statement too literally.
    not unlike your family, mine has been career military for generations and public servants.
    i feel this quote sums up my position succinctly,
    Benjamin Franklin put it best when he said: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
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    06-07-2013 04:22 PM
  16. msndrstood's Avatar
    to msndrstood: i apologize if i took your statement too literally.
    not unlike your family, mine has been career military for generations and public servants.
    i feel this quote sums up my position succinctly,
    Benjamin Franklin put it best when he said: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
    I understand completely.

    The data mining issue is more disturbing to me because they do have our personal information. And, they are private companies that have unseen control over our lives and answer to no one and they do it for profit. Whereas, the government is collecting phone numbers and following up on leads that can help keep this country safe, not for profit and they have to answer to the American people.

    Private corporations are scarier to me than the government any day.

    Just look at the banking industry...

    What?! ...I'm msndrstood.
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    06-07-2013 04:40 PM
  17. eds817's Avatar
    if it will prevent another 9/11 or Boston marathon then I'm Ok with it. I have nothing to hide and am not doing anything illegal online or over the phone.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG Galaxy Note 2
    06-07-2013 05:42 PM
  18. jerry12's Avatar
    i must be missing something here...
    isn't any person here bothered that their information was handed over to the feds (nsa)?
    i, personally, do not believe that verizon is the only culprit in this breach.
    do you actually believe for a millisecond that they do not have transcripts of conversations?
    leave it to verizon to roll over and have the feds scratch their soft spot... what were they promised in return?
    i hate to be a conspiracy theorist but with gps tracking your every move (for the sake of google maps right) and now
    our conversations logged continuously perhaps we should just invite the nsa over for dinner.
    i would give my address, but i'm sure they already have it...
    It bothers me. The government can not be trusted your Constitutional rights have been infringed on very badly over the years by our government. Please all of you read the Constitution , Bill of Rights , Federalist Papers. Call your government reps & raise H.

    Sent from my SCH-R950 using AC Forums mobile app
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    06-07-2013 06:27 PM
  19. jerry12's Avatar
    When i first heard the report I thought, whatever i have nothing to hide, but really thats not the point. the point is that there was no disclosure. if we know the information is being collected and we are ok with that then no problem, if we aren't good with that and want to try a different carrier (i'm sure the rest of the carriers have been asked for the same information also though i haven't heard that yet) then we should have that freedom. the point is that we should have the information and the choice.....freedom is what makes this country great. frankly given the revelations of the last couple of months accompanied by circus music in washington, i'm not sure i trust the government to do the right thing.....its pathetic.
    You can't trust the government. Wake up people.

    Sent from my SCH-R950 using AC Forums mobile app
    06-07-2013 06:36 PM
  20. dj2big's Avatar
    They don't need warrants that's a bunch of bs the USA pays taxes to England the Queen literally owns the USA look it up

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    06-07-2013 07:17 PM
  21. soulstlr's Avatar
    thank you so much jerry12...

    edit: in particular read the 4th amendment
    06-07-2013 07:32 PM
  22. brewer00psd's Avatar
    Imagine if Hitler had this capability how much worse it could have been. I know we want to say it could never happen here and on and on. But why do we trust an all knowing all powerful government? Has it not proven over and over that the people who run it are human and are capable of what people are capable of? Don't get me wrong, our government does some wonderful things, but it also does things none of us are proud of. I understand we all want to say to ourselves my guy, my party won't do that or can't do that, but what happens when my party is no longer in office? Am I comfortable with the the new group being able to do that and or more?
    I am sorry. It's too much. Our federal government is basically running unchecked and has been unchecked for too long. This is one of the many examples that are out there.
    Imagine what information is available for one political party to use against another political party or govt individual to use against another or on other people.
    Not a fan.
    Just my .02
    I don't trust either of the 2 main parties. I consider myself for the most part conservative. Or at least I used too. I am sorry if my soapbox does not agree with yours, I want to continue to be able to stand on it with confidence.
    Everyone has skeletons. When will the govt start using what they have or find against you or its political opponents. Because you no longer have privacy.
    am I paranoid, maybe.
    Matt

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    06-08-2013 07:47 AM
  23. universeand's Avatar
    No conversions were monitored. Calls from phone A to phone B and duration of call was the focus. A FISA warrant is required to monitor actual phone calls, which was not done in this case. The Patriot Act allows this and was renewed 3 times by Congress

    http://www.propublica.org/special/no...r-digital-data

    What?! ...I'm msndrstood.
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    It may be legal but it's far from just or democratic. It violates the spirit of the Magna Carta
    06-08-2013 07:20 PM
  24. Mamaluka's Avatar
    i must be missing something here...
    isn't any person here bothered that their information was handed over to the feds (nsa)?
    i, personally, do not believe that verizon is the only culprit in this breach.
    do you actually believe for a millisecond that they do not have transcripts of conversations?
    leave it to verizon to roll over and have the feds scratch their soft spot... what were they promised in return?
    i hate to be a conspiracy theorist but with gps tracking your every move (for the sake of google maps right) and now
    our conversations logged continuously perhaps we should just invite the nsa over for dinner.
    i would give my address, but i'm sure they already have it...
    I am by no means an advocate of government nosiness. However, the cost of recording and transcribing every Verizon customers conversations would be so massive, I don't believe any government has that kind of manpower and money available to perform that enormous an undertaking. Automated transcription programs aren't that advanced to perform accurate transcriptions. So to have any degree of accuracy would require humans actually doing the work.
    msndrstood likes this.
    06-09-2013 10:39 PM
  25. soulstlr's Avatar
    I am by no means an advocate of government nosiness. However, the cost of recording and transcribing every Verizon customers conversations would be so massive, I don't believe any government has that kind of manpower and money available to perform that enormous an undertaking. Automated transcription programs aren't that advanced to perform accurate transcriptions. So to have any degree of accuracy would require humans actually doing the work.
    from all the articles that i have read, they have no need to do this.
    they are tapped directly into the servers of verizon, google, etc. and have access to the data and recordings.
    therefore no need for fisa warrants...
    06-10-2013 10:18 AM
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