01-02-2014 09:22 AM
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  1. Chris Flowers's Avatar
    No, it isn't.

    No, we won't.
    As much as I wish I had time to read your long winded posts, I personally care not for your American carrier variants of 4.3.

    Unless you have insider information, you cannot confirm or deny as a factual statement when we will or won't. You're guessing as much as the next person, you just bulk out your argument to make it look good, but you don't "know". We can all read articles and make assumptions.

    As I said, I still believe "my" Note II will be rocking 4.3 before December. Again, we're not all living the American dream.

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    10-27-2013 10:31 PM
  2. DesElms's Avatar
    As much as I wish I had time to read your long winded posts, I personally care not for your American carrier variants of 4.3.

    Unless you have insider information, you cannot confirm or deny as a factual statement when we will or won't. You're guessing as much as the next person, you just bulk out your argument to make it look good, but you don't "know". We can all read articles and make assumptions.

    As I said, I still believe "my" Note II will be rocking 4.3 before December. Again, we're not all living the American dream.
    Yet you won't put your money where your mouth is. Ten bucks to the favorite charity of the winner. Put-up, or shut-up.

    ADDED THE NEXT DAY: Time is my friend on this one. When the update has taken longer for most people than they're thinking it's going to take, I'm going to look downright prophetic! [grin] And, if not, then one thing that even my ex-wife used to like about me is that I wear it when I'm wrong; so I'll be back here to say you all were right and I wasn't. Don't hold your breath for that, though... 'cause I am.
    10-28-2013 01:22 AM
  3. dkhmwilliams's Avatar
    This AC article explains it all quite well IMO, in particular the part about "Update anxiety" that is so common in these types of threads (excerpt below, bolded part by me! Highly recommend reading the entire article though! Very good info on the Android update process.): Why you'll never have the latest version of Android | Android Central

    "As updates become more common, and consumers become more tech-savvy, theres an increasing awareness that devices can be updated, and an expectation that they should be updated. With that comes a sort of update anxiety. If youve dropped by any smartphone message board, such as our own forums or XDAs, youll know what we mean by this. Threads abound asking when ICS, or Jelly Bean, will be available for certain devices. In the event of delayed or even canceled updates, Internet denizens swear theyll never buy another phone from that manufacturer or carrier again. Its an entirely negative ownership experience.

    While this isnt representative of the entire user base -- not by far -- its an example of how many power users experience Android smartphones. Theyre always behind the curve, always waiting on an update, never fully enjoying the product that theyve bought as theyve bought it. Part of that is the fault of the tech press -- were always focused on whats new, and that means talking about software that hasnt yet reached most folks."
    I enjoyed that article and I agree that there is update anxiety among Android users. I have been known to experience it myself. But it would take not visiting forums like this and reading teach blogs to not constantly look ahead to what's coming soon. Maybe then we would be content with our devices.

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    10-28-2013 06:10 AM
  4. Chris Flowers's Avatar
    Yet you won't put your money where your mouth is. Ten bucks to the favorite charity of the winner. Put-up, or shut-up.
    I don't gamble. And quite frankly it's not that important to me when it lands.

    You still cannot deny that you have no idea when either. You're guesstimating like the rest of us. Only difference is, you like to write a lot

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    10-28-2013 06:46 AM
  5. TheNoteGuy's Avatar
    Well, android itself said "it would come out sometime in November" and android 4.3 looks cool, to my prospective, just think when android release the kit kat version, it will be a whole new enhanced operating system.

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    10-28-2013 11:40 AM
  6. anon(394005)'s Avatar
    I enjoyed that article and I agree that there is update anxiety among Android users. I have been known to experience it myself. But it would take not visiting forums like this and reading teach blogs to not constantly look ahead to what's coming soon. Maybe then we would be content with our devices.
    I used to experience this anxiety too from time to time. But I've since learned it's wasted energy. Now I just enjoy my devices for what they are and don't worry about updates. I still stay up to speed with them, but don't sweat whether I'll get them. Instead I've gotten into the habit of evaluating any updates, even apps, to determine if they're worth messing with or not (still sitting on 7 app updates, some Google apps such as GMail, Maps, YouTube). Remember updates are not without risk, they can introduce new bugs or change functionality in an unexpected or bad way. I need to see a real upside to an update before considering installing it and dealing with any potential negatives to it. If it ain't broke.....
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    10-28-2013 01:59 PM
  7. Chris Flowers's Avatar
    http://feedly.com/k/1bvpuJw

    Looking good.

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    10-28-2013 05:15 PM
  8. DesElms's Avatar
    I used to experience this anxiety too from time to time. But I've since learned it's wasted energy. Now I just enjoy my devices for what they are and don't worry about updates. I still stay up to speed with them, but don't sweat whether I'll get them.
    Agreed.

    Instead I've gotten into the habit of evaluating any updates, even apps, to determine if they're worth messing with or not (still sitting on 7 app updates, some Google apps such as GMail, Maps, YouTube). Remember updates are not without risk, they can introduce new bugs or change functionality in an unexpected or bad way. I need to see a real upside to an update before considering installing it and dealing with any potential negatives to it. If it ain't broke.....
    I understand what you're saying, but I've found that fighting the updates just creates bigger problems. You just have to take your "don't sweat it" attitude, and ramp it up a few notches to where you just go with the flow... keep-up, like it or not. It helps keep ya' young, too... which, at my age, is starting to matter. I'm remarkably adaptable to change, considering what and old fart I am; and I routinely surprise tablesfull of kids who just assume that I don't know what's going on with technology (or pretty much anything else, for that matter). I actually rather work to keep-up; and to ensure that anything I write is true and accurate and not just out of my ****, as some, here, are assuming is the case (and, of course, they're just projecting).

    Anyway, the keeping-up thing is especially true with Windows. I could not more despise Windows 8 (and even 8.1), but there's no point in fighting it; in, for example, opting for Win7 when purchasing a new desktop replacement notebook on the Dell website, as I relatively-recently did. Just go with Win8(.1) and make whatever hacks you have to to the registry, and/or general settings, etc., to make it your own. It was that way with Vista, too... godawful piece o' crap; but by the time I finished with it, I didn't really even need Win7 (which, if you think about it, is just Vista, but fixed) because I had Vista tamed and tweaked to no-longer-annoying, and fast-as-greased-lighting perfection.

    While that kind of customization is not possible with an Android device unless it's rooted (and possibly unlocked, as well), it's nevertheless quite possible to really make it your own, and get from it everything possible and more, even if it's carrier-customize stock. I've yet to find an Android feature (which I actually wanted) that I could not bring to my phone, regardless of version, by hook or by crook, using apps and settings and creativity... and maybe Tasker (and/or AutomateIt) [grin] without rooting the phone.

    App makers assume dumb things, like that your phone is fast, and you've got lots of RAM, and plenty of storage, and that there aren't a lot of competing apps. We see that with websites, too: Site makers get their big twenty-something-inch screens with pushing 3,000 pixels horizontally, and they don't stop the realize that most notebook computers and tablets don't have those kinds of resolutions, and so their sites, in their arrogance, are too wide.

    In the end, what makes a phone obsolete even faster than the manufacturer's planned obsolescence is the app makers -- especially those who came-up first through the iOS world and only "port" their apps over to Android, about which they don't actually care, but they want the revenue -- not thinking (or even giving one whit about) backward compatibility. Phones slow not because their hardware is getting worn out but, rather, because arrogant app makers just keep making their apps bigger and bigger, and requiring more processor cycles, and RAM, and storage.

    And so I suppose one could argue that that, right there, is a perfect reason to not always allow apps to update/upgrade. But, in the end, it's just too much to keep-up with; and it's a losing battle from the outset. It's easier and less stressful to just take it all as it comes, not sweating too much when it happens or even if it happens; and then, eventually, when the phone -- though it's in as good a shape as the day you bought it -- slows because of too-slow a processor, too little RAM and/or too little storage (because, remember, in "internal storage" is where temp files are stored, and where RAM swapping happens, etc.; and app makers just keep assuming that their users have new phones and so plenty of it)...

    ...then we just go ahead and upgrade the phone. But I try to wait as long as I can. As earlier herein mentioned, my wife was using an old Samsung Captivate 'til as recently as last May; and I was still on my Samsung Infuse 4G at that time. But then, when I lamented to an AT&T supervisor (with whom I was talking about switching to the "shared data" plan) that I wished I could get a Note, she cut me a deal too good to resist (because she happened to be in the "retention" department, where people who are threatening to quit AT&T are referred); and then she made me an ever better deal on a new phone for Mary-Anne (one penny with a two-year contract). So we both upgraded. But then my Note's video card started overheating within not even a month of my getting it (not even two weeks of my actually starting to use it) and AT&T offered to replace it, but with a refurb, which I wouldn't accept. So, after being referred back to "retention" again, and this time speaking with the supervisor or supervisors (at least in that call center), I got a Note II (because AT&T was all out of new Notes) for just a tiny bit thrown onto the bill. Otherwise, I'd not have a phone as new as the Note II. I'd still be on the Note... or perhaps even the Infuse 4G (although that one was beginning to not be able to keep-up with increasing app sizes; so I probably would at least be on the Note, now, had other weirdness not happened. And I'd be happy; and I'd likely not be getting a Note II until the Note IV (if there ever even is one) finally came out.

    Trust me, my Note II (and this would be true of my Note, if I still had it; and it was true of my Infuse 4G, too; and the phones before it) is as cool and up-to-date, and bleeding-edge as it needs to be. It's customized to the hilt and does things which routinely amaze even technogeeks...

    ...all on Android OS 4.1.2 Jelly Bean. And I could not care one whit when 4.3 comes out. Not one.

    But, that said, here's the other thing that happens: App makers just decide, in their arrogance, without consulting anyone, or even bothering to look at the market penetration of devices running various operating systems, to stop supporting certain OS levels. We've been, for a little while, now, seeing app makers whose apps will no longer run on even 2.3 Gingerbread...

    ...despite that AT&T, just to name one, was selling phones into two year contracts that are capable of running no higher-level OS as recently as last year.

    In the end, it's really only the arrogant, unthinking, never-hear-of-backward-compatibility app makers who force people's hands when it comes to updates/upgrades. If Android app makers would be professional, and think, in terms of backward compatibility, like Windows app makers (who ensure, even now, that their stuff works on XP, Vista, Win7 and Win8), then all this pressure to upgrade would not exist.
    10-28-2013 05:24 PM
  9. Markster1's Avatar
    Whew

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    10-29-2013 09:25 AM
  10. Steven Tyson's Avatar
    Its true backwards compatibility is nice but not always logical. Each upgrade to the os usually brings something new in case of 2.3 to 4.0 there were a lot of background updates built into the os that got changed, so if a developer wanted to put something in there app that had been updated in the 4.0 and above they would not be able to put it available 2.3 unless they took out features. Look at nova launcher its only available for 4.0 and above because it would loose to many features if they tried to bring it to 2.3

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    10-29-2013 10:44 AM
  11. enigmax's Avatar
    Now I just enjoy my devices for what they are and don't worry about updates.... If it ain't broke.....
    Unfortunately, you cant enjoy it much if you try to share SNote files with your Note 2 (or 10.1 or 8) and Note 3. Note 3 has a new file extension and you cannot open the SNote file anymore. That I have understood, the new Snote app needs 4.3 (read it from somewhere). We faced that IRL at work when some of us bought GN3, made changes to a shared SNote file in a project, and now none of us (owning 10.1) cannot open the file anymore. (Same thing if you have Note 2). So, it's not broken, it is just incompatible And actually, I dont know which one is worse case: a) the software is broken and need to be fixed or b) Samsung messed up with its own application so badly that it is now incompatible between their so called premium line devices.
    10-29-2013 11:32 AM
  12. Haalcyon's Avatar
    Unfortunately, you cant enjoy it much if you try to share SNote files with your Note 2 (or 10.1 or 8) and Note 3. Note 3 has a new file extension and you cannot open the SNote file anymore. That I have understood, the new Snote app needs 4.3 (read it from somewhere). We faced that IRL at work when some of us bought GN3, made changes to a shared SNote file in a project, and now none of us (owning 10.1) cannot open the file anymore. (Same thing if you have Note 2). So, it's not broken, it is just incompatible
    It is a problem and I really don't think its a little problem. I chatted with Samsung tech support yesterday and they were pretty much clueless. That, unfortunately, surprised me. Their advice was (pretty accurately paraphrasing), 'Well since the file types are now different it may not work.' Really? Thank you, I wouldn't possibly have figured that out without your educated and enlightened input. So, it looks like you can get the older notes onto the newer devices but not vice versa. I've heard there's a viewer on the Play Store but I haven't located it.

    Note 8.0
    10-29-2013 11:39 AM
  13. enigmax's Avatar
    Well, I got an email when using my business profile and they said that they are working with the problem. (I hope!)
    10-29-2013 11:45 AM
  14. anon(394005)'s Avatar
    <snip> I understand what you're saying, but I've found that fighting the updates just creates bigger problems. You just have to take your "don't sweat it" attitude, and ramp it up a few notches to where you just go with the flow... keep-up, like it or not. <snip>
    To each their own. I see it the opposite; I find it much easier to turn off all auto-updating: OS or apps (on Android and Windows), so I have full control over my systems and know their exact state until I decide when and if to apply any updates. That way there are no surprises. If I decide to apply an update and something goes awry, I know immediately why and can address it without any wasted energy in trying to figure out the when and why.
    10-29-2013 05:42 PM
  15. DesElms's Avatar
    To each their own. I see it the opposite; I find it much easier to turn off all auto-updating: OS or apps (on Android and Windows), so I have full control over my systems and know their exact state until I decide when and if to apply any updates. That way there are no surprises. If I decide to apply an update and something goes awry, I know immediately why and can address it without any wasted energy in trying to figure out the when and why.
    Well, yes... with turning-off all auto-updating, I completely agree. So, we're of one mind on at least that. I do all updating manually, and, yes, I have been known to cherry pick only certain things for updating...

    ...but even that, in time, falls by the wayside. After a while it just becomes so much work, for a comparatively small return on the investment.

    That said, I see your point; and I especially agree that if you control precisely which update occurs, and when, then, yes, of course, troubleshooting any problems it causes is much easier. No argument, here.

    I guess all I'm really saying is that while, yes, I, too, only-manually update, like you, I've gotten to the point that unless there's a really compelling reason not to go ahead and let things update, I don't stop it. It's gotten to the point, really, that I only manually update so that the darned computer or phone won't be trying to do it, and slowing everything down, right when I'm trying to use it for something important. I simply want to control at least WHEN it updates; but I confess that I've become less concerned, anymore, about WHAT it updates.

    That said, I completely see your point, and don't fault you one single bit for doing it the way you do it.
    10-29-2013 07:08 PM
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  17. Markster1's Avatar
    I'm scared to click. LoL

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    10-31-2013 08:31 PM
  18. Ramanpreet Brar's Avatar
    dont do it,,bcoz after update 4.3 you will hate your note 2
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    01-02-2014 09:22 AM
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