10-03-2014 11:17 PM
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  1. Almeuit's Avatar
    I respectfully disagree. Verizon could have chosen to extend unlimited to customers who cannot afford to buy the phone out right, as is the situation with most people, however, they chose not to. It is a slap in the face to those customers, and an attempt to get rid of as many unlimited customers as possible. Verizon has already been accused by the FCC of attempting to force their unlimited customers onto a metered plan.
    You can disagree but the fact is they don't offer it.. And they don't want people on it. No one is arguing that... They want people off of unlimited. So they're not going to allow people to keep it and get a discounted phone. You either have to buy full price or go elsewhere.. It's pretty plain and simple.

    Just like AT&T is trying to force people.. Hence why their "unlimited" is capped at 5GB.. After that... 0.3 speeds for the rest of the cycle.
    09-29-2014 10:21 AM
  2. lazerproof's Avatar
    You can disagree but the fact is they don't offer it.. And they don't want people on it. No one is arguing that... They want people off of unlimited. So they're not going to allow people to keep it and get a discounted phone. You either have to buy full price or go elsewhere.. It's pretty plain and simple.

    Just like AT&T is trying to force people.. Hence why their "unlimited" is capped at 5GB.. After that... 0.3 speeds for the rest of the cycle.
    Of course they want everyone off of it. The argument is whether their actions are ethical or not. I don't think they are, and the FCC called them on their current practices.
    09-29-2014 02:42 PM
  3. Almeuit's Avatar
    Of course they want everyone off of it. The argument is whether their actions are ethical or not. I don't think they are, and the FCC called them on their current practices.
    The FCC only called Verizon out due to the rules regarding certain spectrum Verizon has.... If you notice the FCC hasn't said a word to AT&T about their throttle since the day they started it... And theirs is a hard cap... The network could not even be congested but you will be slowed down 100% of the time.
    09-29-2014 04:08 PM
  4. prizeferret's Avatar
    I guess part of what sticks in my craw about the whole thing is that the unlimited plan was the entire reason I moved to Verizon. I paid a premium for that plan for a while, specifically with the understanding that eventually data needs would increase to the point that the plan would provide a return on investment.

    The throttling combined with the forced conversion is disingenuous in my eyes. It's like someone selling you a lifetime membership to "Rockstar Gym". Months later, when you start to really build up your muscles, they say that 3 machines in the gym will now be "Rockstar Gym", the rest of the machines in the gym are now part of "Mega Rockstar Gym".
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    09-29-2014 05:20 PM
  5. Almeuit's Avatar
    I guess part of what sticks in my craw about the whole thing is that the unlimited plan was the entire reason I moved to Verizon. I paid a premium for that plan for a while, specifically with the understanding that eventually data needs would increase to the point that the plan would provide a return on investment.

    The throttling combined with the forced conversion is disingenuous in my eyes. It's like someone selling you a lifetime membership to "Rockstar Gym". Months later, when you start to really build up your muscles, they say that 3 machines in the gym will now be "Rockstar Gym", the rest of the machines in the gym are now part of "Mega Rockstar Gym".
    I agree it can be shady ... Anyone who knows me around here knows I love unlimited / unthorttled data. I just somewhat understand the "spectrum" issue ... Although I realize it won't be a huge issue for many years to come so .. They are just milking it on that excuse for now.

    As for home ISPs I have zero sympathy for them. Capacity issues aren't about what "radio waves" (spectrum) are available like wireless -- They simply just have to toss money at it and it goes away ... The thing is they don't want to so they want to get caps there as well. Luckily I haven't seen any on U-Verse on Comcast ... I have seen it mentioned but never in effect.
    09-29-2014 05:36 PM
  6. Willn's Avatar
    Verizon is and has been unethical for years even before smart phones. The people who still have unlimited data with Verizon are still paying a subsidy price for their plan. Verizon does not discount a plan for being off contract unless they are an edge member. Unlimited customers are not allowed to join edge without starting a new plan. There for they are charging people subsidy fees but not allowing unlimited customers to take advantage of the subsidy deal they already pay for. They discriminate against us for being unlimited even though we have been loyal for 4+ years. Share plan holders get to take advantage of subsidy deals no matter what with no change to their plan. So we look for ways around their rules, they make up the rules as they go to look for ways to sap every hard earned dollar from your pocket. I'd say the multi billion dollar company is probably a little more unethical than me.

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    09-29-2014 09:32 PM
  7. lazerproof's Avatar
    I agree it can be shady ... Anyone who knows me around here knows I love unlimited / unthorttled data. I just somewhat understand the "spectrum" issue ... Although I realize it won't be a huge issue for many years to come so .. They are just milking it on that excuse for now.

    As for home ISPs I have zero sympathy for them. Capacity issues aren't about what "radio waves" (spectrum) are available like wireless -- They simply just have to toss money at it and it goes away ... The thing is they don't want to so they want to get caps there as well. Luckily I haven't seen any on U-Verse on Comcast ... I have seen it mentioned but never in effect.
    You should read this letter from fcc to Verizon.
    09-29-2014 09:34 PM
  8. Almeuit's Avatar
    You should read this letter from fcc to Verizon.
    Again I said I know about the letter.. But he is doing that because Verizon has spectrum rules.

    If you're going to use that as evidence... Answer me on why AT&T has never once been talked about for capping all unlimited customers at 5 GB... Regardless of congestion... Once you hit 5 GB you're throttled for the rest of the cycle.

    To me that's even more of a shove than Verizon's... Verizon says during congestion... AT&T is a hard cap...
    09-29-2014 10:01 PM
  9. Almeuit's Avatar
    Here is my buddy... On AT&T unlimited... After his 5 GB.... No matter congestion... Or any factors.... He gets this the rest of the month.

    I left AT&T for this very reason when I was on them... I'd hit 5 GB and be at dial up speeds.
    Attached Thumbnails Doing the subscription continuation trick with the Note 4.-1412046193562.jpg  
    09-29-2014 10:03 PM
  10. lazerproof's Avatar
    Again I said I know about the letter.. But he is doing that because Verizon has spectrum rules.

    If you're going to use that as evidence... Answer me on why AT&T has never once been talked about for capping all unlimited customers at 5 GB... Regardless of congestion... Once you hit 5 GB you're throttled for the rest of the cycle.

    To me that's even more of a shove than Verizon's... Verizon says during congestion... AT&T is a hard cap...
    Actually, if you read that particular letter, Wheeler goes on to say, that he has written to all of the carriers asking for explanations as to what their throttling policies are. I am not going to continue with this, I made my views known, and so have others on this board and elsewhere. It really comes down to offering an end product that consumers want to buy. Time will tell if Verizon & AT&T will suffer. Their service is not that far superior over t-mobile where a lot of users won't hesitate to switch.
    09-29-2014 10:17 PM
  11. Almeuit's Avatar
    Actually, if you read that particular letter, Wheeler goes on to say, that he has written to all of the carriers asking for explanations as to what their throttling policies are. I am not going to continue with this, I made my views known, and so have others on this board and elsewhere. It really comes down to offering an end product that consumers want to buy. Time will tell if Verizon & AT&T will suffer. Their service is not that far superior over t-mobile where a lot of users won't hesitate to switch.
    And I agree with you. I was basically saying Verizon isn't the only one messing with their unlimited users. AT&T is just as guilty. I seriously hope they both get punished.. Since as you said they sold.. If anything.. Forced unlimited (if you had a smartphone) so.. It shouldn't change since they want a bunch of profits now for those who kept the plan intact.
    09-29-2014 10:21 PM
  12. prizeferret's Avatar
    Woot! Score one for the Voltron force!

    Now keeping unlimited suddenly became more valuable again!!

    Verizon is backing down on its plan to slow down unlimited data users
    10-02-2014 10:09 PM
  13. JnEricsonx's Avatar
    Now if they can find a way for me to upgrade normally and keep my unlimited, I'd be thrilled.
    10-02-2014 10:32 PM
  14. sux2bu's Avatar
    Meh, this is the reason I got a third dummy line. The wife and I keep our unlimited and I get a new subsidy priced phone every 8 months.
    10-03-2014 10:59 PM
  15. beh's Avatar
    I respectfully disagree. Verizon could have chosen to extend unlimited to customers who cannot afford to buy the phone out right, as is the situation with most people, however, they chose not to. It is a slap in the face to those customers, and an attempt to get rid of as many unlimited customers as possible. Verizon has already been accused by the FCC of attempting to force their unlimited customers onto a metered plan.
    If a person can't or won't pay full price for a phone or a car or a house or a vacation, no one or entity, owes that person anything. Extending interest free credit for phones by the carriers is not a "personal right" of the customers. It is in fact a privilege granted by the carriers and one the carriers are not legally or morally required to continue.
    10-03-2014 11:17 PM
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