01-13-2015 10:36 AM
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  1. isabel95's Avatar
    Don't accept the exposure the default camera setting decides for a sunset and don't have HDR on.

    If the image looks brighter on your phone screen than what your eye see of the ambient light it will yield an image that is too bright.

    I underexposed 2x on the Note 4 for this image. How to get a good sunset picture-sunset.jpg

    Whenever you have a contrasty image with very bright highlights, they're bound to be overexposed and lacking detail in those areas.

    Use your exposure value adjustment, sliding it to the minus side.
    01-11-2015 06:10 AM
  2. walhalla's Avatar
    Nice shot...
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    01-11-2015 09:09 AM
  3. goin_nil's Avatar
    Great tip. Thanks. Will have to try that.
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    01-11-2015 09:17 AM
  4. Tatt2014's Avatar
    The picture is Beautiful !! Thanks for the tip

    Posted via the Android Central App
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    01-11-2015 10:58 AM
  5. rdiddy_25's Avatar
    Beautiful pic isabel!!!
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    01-11-2015 11:34 AM
  6. MalinoisK9's Avatar
    Did you try with hdr on? Just curious why that wouldn't make the shot better since it does take multiple shots at different exposures and technically should give more dynamic range to the shot though don't know if you can make adjustments to it. Still a really nice shot you have there.
    01-11-2015 12:01 PM
  7. neonworm's Avatar
    Nice picture! Where is that?
    01-11-2015 01:31 PM
  8. isabel95's Avatar
    Yes, I did. Just washed everything out and took the vibrancy out of the sunset color.

    Thanks!
    01-11-2015 06:08 PM
  9. bertsirkin's Avatar
    Did you try with hdr on? Just curious why that wouldn't make the shot better since it does take multiple shots at different exposures and technically should give more dynamic range to the shot though don't know if you can make adjustments to it. Still a really nice shot you have there.
    For the most part, HDR will ruin most images. HDR basically will dramatically reduce the contrast - this can be good for a "documentation" image, where you need everything in the image to be seen. But, in most picture taking, it will just make images look washed-out and lifeless.
    01-11-2015 06:20 PM
  10. anthony2558's Avatar
    I just took this yesterday evening. It was set to auto.

    01-11-2015 06:47 PM
  11. BB_Junky's Avatar
    Don't accept the exposure the default camera setting decides for a sunset and don't have HDR on.

    If the image looks brighter on your phone screen than what your eye see of the ambient light it will yield an image that is too bright.

    I underexposed 2x on the Note 4 for this image. Click image for larger version. 

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    Whenever you have a contrasty image with very bright highlights, they're bound to be overexposed and lacking detail in those areas.

    Use your exposure value adjustment, sliding it to the minus side.
    Have no idea what your talking about as I'm camera dumb, but awesome picture wow. I'm guessing the settings is in the camera app it's self for said adjustments.
    01-11-2015 07:19 PM
  12. bassplayrguy's Avatar
    Wow. That's pretty amazing. I took one the other night and it was good on auto but not as good as the underexposed you did. I will have to try that. Great shot.

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    01-11-2015 08:00 PM
  13. MalinoisK9's Avatar
    For the most part, HDR will ruin most images. HDR basically will dramatically reduce the contrast - this can be good for a "documentation" image, where you need everything in the image to be seen. But, in most picture taking, it will just make images look washed-out and lifeless.
    Hasn't been my experience so far with hdr. From the shots I've taken using hdr it does exactly what it should, increase the dynamic range. I'd put a pic but can not figure out how to get it to post properly. If anyone call help with getting portrait to post properly I'd love to know.
    01-11-2015 08:24 PM
  14. muzzy996's Avatar
    Hasn't been my experience so far with hdr. From the shots I've taken using hdr it does exactly what it should, increase the dynamic range. I'd put a pic but can not figure out how to get it to post properly. If anyone call help with getting portrait to post properly I'd love to know.
    I think that in this case the look you are envisioning for the shot differs from what the original poster and others among us are envisioning. Neither vision is wrong, just different. In this case one would expect HDR to attempt to expose the shadows more. It remains to be seen whether exposure compensation settings would counter that but like the OP I wouldn't think to try when shooting a shot like this when I know that I want the silhouettes of the trees to clip completely black. Worth experimenting though now that you bring it up.

    Or have you shot lots of sunsets with HDR on with great silhouettes?
    01-11-2015 08:54 PM
  15. k9carguy1's Avatar
    Took this and edited with snapseed
    Attached Thumbnails How to get a good sunset picture-1421030228053.jpg  
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    01-11-2015 09:37 PM
  16. worwig's Avatar
    Don't accept the exposure the default camera setting decides for a sunset and don't have HDR on.

    If the image looks brighter on your phone screen than what your eye see of the ambient light it will yield an image that is too bright.

    I underexposed 2x on the Note 4 for this image..
    Did you 'tap and hold' any place on the screen to focus and meter on, or is that center metering?

    I suspect that if you metered on the brighter part of the sky, you wouldn't need to alter the exposure level.
    01-11-2015 11:18 PM
  17. ChemMan's Avatar
    From what I have read from opinions by "real photographers" the Note 4's automatic mode does not utilize the full capabilities of the camera. To get the superb results the Note 4 is capable of some tweaking of the camera setup must be done when the photo is taken. This fact is reflected in the many complaints about poor photo quality. It is not that the camera is not capable of taking good pictures it is that the operators of the camera are not capable of setting the camera up to take good pictures. Similar situation when I am using my Canon point and shoot and my DSLR, the Canon p&s simply cannot physically get the unique setup for a good exposure sometimes.
    01-12-2015 12:13 AM
  18. bertsirkin's Avatar
    Hasn't been my experience so far with hdr. From the shots I've taken using hdr it does exactly what it should, increase the dynamic range. I'd put a pic but can not figure out how to get it to post properly. If anyone call help with getting portrait to post properly I'd love to know.
    The purpose of HDR is to increase dynamic range by combining the properly exposed parts of an overexposed and underexposed image. And, during that process, the camera needs to perfectly align multiple images - something that doesn't always work just right. What HDR does, in effect, is brighten shadows and darken highlights - which basically reduces the contrast in an image. In a limited number of images, you may get a better image with HDR on than off. BUT, there isn't anything wrong with an image with limited dynamic range. For example, the sunset images in this post would be ruined had they been taken with HDR on. You would see detail in the dark areas, which would distract your attention from the subject - the colorful sunset - in effect, ruining the image. It would also have made the image "muddy" looking - no eye-popping contrast.

    Using sophisticated desktop software, it is possible to get great HDR images, but the scene itself must be just right, and the person using the software must be very knowledgeable about the process. It's impossible for the camera to automate this process and get it right, except for an occasional lucky image.

    Limited dynamic range can be a very good thing in photography. The ability to use shadows to eliminate distracting details in an image is a tool that all pro photographers use extensively.

    Most of the time, you don't want increased dynamic range in photography.
    01-12-2015 01:26 AM
  19. isabel95's Avatar
    You and Snapseed did a great job on it. I love the color range you got. Very impressive! What functions in Snapseed did you use?
    01-12-2015 05:56 AM
  20. isabel95's Avatar
    I've been using digital cameras for over 17 years and there has not been ONE that doesn't overexpose highlights. I routinely use minus exposure compensation to prevent loss of detail.
    In my regular cameras that have histograms or highlight "blinkies" I use those tools to predict what areas will be overexposed if I click the shutter with the settings the camera chooses.
    With the Note 4 I rely on what the lcd shows me - which can still be unreliable since I chose the light level displayed!
    For general use I keep the display as dark as possible to preserve battery life, so I can be misled, but if a sunset looks overexposed when I have the display so dark, I know I'm going to have a washed out picture.

    You are so right, chuck, about tweaking the camera settings for the best results - and that applies to regular cameras as well!
    01-12-2015 06:01 AM
  21. isabel95's Avatar
    That's a possibility that should be tested.
    01-12-2015 06:02 AM
  22. camanokid's Avatar
    One of my best sunset shots was taken as a portrait photo.
    My wife was the person in the photo....we were on a cruise ship at sunset.
    I placed here directly in front the the ball of sun....to soften the shot, while retaining the backglow.
    I turned on the flash to highlight the foregroung.
    The combination was a well lit subject and a terrific background.
    01-12-2015 11:03 AM
  23. ChemMan's Avatar
    I've been using digital cameras for over 17 years and there has not been ONE that doesn't overexpose highlights. I routinely use minus exposure compensation to prevent loss of detail.
    In my regular cameras that have histograms or highlight "blinkies" I use those tools to predict what areas will be overexposed if I click the shutter with the settings the camera chooses.
    With the Note 4 I rely on what the lcd shows me - which can still be unreliable since I chose the light level displayed!
    For general use I keep the display as dark as possible to preserve battery life, so I can be misled, but if a sunset looks overexposed when I have the display so dark, I know I'm going to have a washed out picture.

    You are so right, chuck, about tweaking the camera settings for the best results - and that applies to regular cameras as well!
    The other very significant thing about overexposed photos to remember is once the highlights are blown-out they are gone forever. Low exposures to a certain degree can be lightened but not the otherway around.
    01-12-2015 11:06 AM
  24. MalinoisK9's Avatar
    The purpose of HDR is to increase dynamic range by combining the properly exposed parts of an overexposed and underexposed image. And, during that process, the camera needs to perfectly align multiple images - something that doesn't always work just right. What HDR does, in effect, is brighten shadows and darken highlights - which basically reduces the contrast in an image. In a limited number of images, you may get a better image with HDR on than off. BUT, there isn't anything wrong with an image with limited dynamic range. For example, the sunset images in this post would be ruined had they been taken with HDR on. You would see detail in the dark areas, which would distract your attention from the subject - the colorful sunset - in effect, ruining the image. It would also have made the image "muddy" looking - no eye-popping contrast.

    Using sophisticated desktop software, it is possible to get great HDR images, but the scene itself must be just right, and the person using the software must be very knowledgeable about the process. It's impossible for the camera to automate this process and get it right, except for an occasional lucky image.

    Limited dynamic range can be a very good thing in photography. The ability to use shadows to eliminate distracting details in an image is a tool that all pro photographers use extensively.

    Most of the time, you don't want increased dynamic range in photography.
    In the case of the original post I asked if they had tried hrd as it expands dynamic range so I'll try to explain. The short coming of any digital camera with a small sensor and fairly high pixel count is that the pixels are miniscule in size which leads to clipped high lights as the pixels easily fill and overflow into the neighboring pixels, think buckets catching water. Now the op did use a negative expose to keep this from happening as stated in his post. My thought is by utilizing the hdr feature you are lesining the chance of this occurring by allowing for two different exposures which in turn limits the amount of data to the pixels since it is not trying to fit the full dynamic range into one exposure. Of course by allowing the camera to attempt an exposure of the dark area you also now have to worry about the other downfall of a small pixel dense sensor which is noise and trust me it is bad with this sensor. Would hdr have made the shot better? Hard to say since I have not attempted such a shot with this phone.
    01-12-2015 11:11 AM
  25. isabel95's Avatar
    There is a controversy regarding how hdrs are produced with the Note 4. I thought two images were combined, yet a poster on the dpreview phone forum insists it is only one inmage which is exposed for the highlights. I asked for a link to prove his theory, but he couldn't come up with one.

    Here's part of the thread in which we discussed how hdrs are made: Re: So Samsungs HDR mode has changed from this description?: Android Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review
    If you're interested you may want to read other posts from the author of this one.
    01-12-2015 11:54 AM
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