02-27-2015 01:19 AM
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  1. beh's Avatar
    That was Pretty gutsy in an Android Forum and on a Samsung Note 4 thread!
    And why is it "gutsy" to say it like it is? This whining and yelling (use of all caps) really shows a lack of manners and common sense. And it unnecessarily takes up bandwidth that could be used for something constructive as well as being boring to everyone else. If one has a question, ask the question. Ask for assistance. Ask for suggestions. One doesn't need to act like a petulant child to accomplish any of the above.
    02-20-2015 05:27 PM
  2. GregMargie's Avatar
    That was Pretty gutsy in an Android Forum and on a Samsung Note 4 thread!
    And why is it "gutsy" to say it like it is? This whining and yelling (use of all caps) really shows a lack of manners and common sense. And it unnecessarily takes up bandwidth that could be used for something constructive as well as being boring to everyone else. If one has a question, ask the question. Ask for assistance. Ask for suggestions. One doesn't need to act like a petulant child to accomplish any of the above.
    I did not use all caps and I was not whining and yelling. My response was properly written to make a comment in a proper way. The OP was looking for help to transfer information from one Android phone to another Android phone; a Note 4 which he obviously has already purchased! So as far as your comment of 'unnecessarily taking up band width'; you think your post was helpful to tell him to buy a completely different phone, verses helping him with what he really needed help with on a phone he is asking about?
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    02-20-2015 08:19 PM
  3. Android D's Avatar
    I did not use all caps and I was not whining and yelling. My response was properly written to make a comment in a proper way. The OP was looking for help to transfer information from one Android phone to another Android phone; a Note 4 which he obviously has already purchased! So as far as your comment of 'unnecessarily taking up band width'; you think your post was helpful to tell him to buy a completely different phone, verses helping him with what he really needed help with on a phone he is asking about?
    Relax...his "anger" at all caps was pointed @ me....and I apologize cuz I just have a habit of writing in All caps!

    But as for his "bandwith usage"...Trust me, I had used more than enough Bandwith when I was trying to find a solution to this problem. And to you this problem might be a small one, but for me it was a Big one...when I migrated from My old Android phone, I LITERALLY had sleepless nights trying to figure out a way to transfer my data from the old phone to the new one.

    I had tried a whole bunch of apps, but most of them were so limited in what I could do. Either I had to pay or root my phone.

    I am buying a Supreme Android device...and the whole concept of paying to transfer from one phone to another doesn't do justice with me! And even after paying, I have read mixed reviews from ppl on the premium version of these apps!
    02-20-2015 08:53 PM
  4. Android D's Avatar
    So help me understand this, as I am totally new to Android. Been with BlackBerry forever. With BB, they have a desktop program, right now it's Link for BB10 devices, which will do a full back up of your device (apps, data, media etc - which includes texts, contactsand everything). You can then choose to restore the whole backup or select what you want. Handly when switching devices, or getting new ones etc (as long as they are BB10. BBOS had desktop manager which did the same thing).

    Is there not something similar with Android? Is that what I'm reading here? So if I want to do a backup of my device, what do I do? Get this Kies app? Or is there something already on the phone? Thanks and appreciate any help.
    Yes...u r right...Like the BB system or the icloud, Unfortunately android Lacks BIG TIME in this area. Kies doesn't backup app data as I confirmed this with the Samsung tech. There is Literally NO app out there that can back up SMS, pics, app data, contacts, call logs, etc etc by just push of a button...U either have to have your phone rooted or pay for a premium app to do this. Most ppl are OK paying for an app, but even after than I have read mixed reviews of the paid version. I know gmail backs up your pics, call logs, contacts, etc, u have to get a different app for SMS...but the big thing for me is app data, cuz gmail will back up your apps and will download all your previous apps in your new phone, but all the settings u have within that app will be lost. And the latest version of the apps will be downloaded, which sometimes still have bugs in 'em!

    So the take away point is...Hopefully Samsung or Google comes out with something better on this! in the mean time, let's hope you don't loose your phone or your phone doesn't crash!
    02-20-2015 08:59 PM
  5. GregMargie's Avatar
    Seems it is a difficult task to accomplish with Android. BB is the same across all models, Apple is same across all models and then you have Android with tons of different manufacturers. Even though they all run Android they all operate differently.
    02-20-2015 10:38 PM
  6. Bosbouer's Avatar
    Seems it is a difficult task to accomplish with Android.
    This literally depends on the user's paranoia about sharing info with, in the main, Google's servers......

    I use my Android devices to supplement my fieldwork and all surveys/audits/investigations I do are backed up to cloud services from where I access it from PC. Here i either delete from the cloud service depending on sensitivity to the client.

    Personal stuff such as my wife's BP readings I use Helium pro. It has not let me down yet. Maildroid backs up my email to the external sd card that gets transferred via ES file explorer to the PC.

    The few games, progress google play takes care of. Whatsback pro Backup my whatsapp conversations.

    I have used this basic format over 4 different devices since 2012. Once setup the backup and naturally restoration takes very little effort.
    02-20-2015 11:09 PM
  7. GregMargie's Avatar
    This literally depends on the user's paranoia about sharing info with, in the main, Google's servers......

    I use my Android devices to supplement my fieldwork and all surveys/audits/investigations I do are backed up to cloud services from where I access it from PC. Here i either delete from the cloud service depending on sensitivity to the client.

    Personal stuff such as my wife's BP readings I use Helium pro. It has not let me down yet. Maildroid backs up my email to the external sd card that gets transferred via ES file explorer to the PC.

    The few games, progress google play takes care of. Whatsback pro Backup my whatsapp conversations.

    I have used this basic format over 4 different devices since 2012. Once setup the backup and naturally restoration takes very little effort.
    I think what I meant was a general one stop all around single transfer type tool that covers everything. I personally don't have an issue and very happy with Android. The Samsung Switch app did a pretty good job for me. No it doesn't save the progress of some games per say.
    02-20-2015 11:28 PM
  8. Android D's Avatar
    I think what I meant was a general one stop all around single transfer type tool that covers everything. I personally don't have an issue and very happy with Android. The Samsung Switch app did a pretty good job for me. No it doesn't save the progress of some games per say.
    Yes exactly..tht's what I was referring to!
    And honestly i didn't know about Samsung Switch app when I switched from my old Samsung to Note 4...It's funny cuz I spent so much "bandwith" researching this topic, but no one suggested the switch app for me. But again, tht's only when we want to go to another device..but for backing up our device, we still are in this loop!

    I understand that Android has many different cell phone manufacturers and it's difficult. Oh well I guess I will have to make use with the tools I have!
    02-20-2015 11:46 PM
  9. Bosbouer's Avatar
    An information leaflet notifying users of "swicth" was included in my S4(2013) and the note 4 packaging box.
    02-21-2015 12:15 AM
  10. Android D's Avatar
    An information leaflet notifying users of "swicth" was included in my S4(2013) and the note 4 packaging box.
    in order to get my Note 4, i had to trade in the old Samsung phone i had for that promotion going on from Best buy!
    02-21-2015 01:23 AM
  11. GregMargie's Avatar
    Prior to moving to Note 2 to Note 4, I tried to find out what the most current tool was to transfer from one to the other with least amount of hassle.... Then my guy at the Costco VZW suggested the Samsung Switch app and he help me do it when my Note 4 arrived. I had no idea of the app either till he suggested it.
    02-21-2015 09:39 AM
  12. GregMargie's Avatar
    in order to get my Note 4, i had to trade in the old Samsung phone i had for that promotion going on from Best buy!
    Did you hand it over in the store and then get handed the Note 4, or have to mail in? If the whole transaction took place in the store, they really should have helped you and suggested that app. Best Buy is supposed to actually have Samsung employees working there. I found that out at the CES show last month.
    02-21-2015 09:45 AM
  13. FishenFool's Avatar
    All of this is exactly why I am rooted and use Titanium Backup. I have it set to do automated backups of new and updated apps twice a week. It also keeps 2 copies of backups so if an app update destroys functionality I can easily restore to the previous version. Titanium Backup made the move from a GS3 to GS4 a much easier process. Main thing to keep in mind is not to try to use it for a 1 button restore when you are migrating to a newer model or different manufacturer and the Android version is different because you don't want to restore system level apps.

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    02-21-2015 11:23 AM
  14. Android D's Avatar
    Did you hand it over in the store and then get handed the Note 4, or have to mail in? If the whole transaction took place in the store, they really should have helped you and suggested that app. Best Buy is supposed to actually have Samsung employees working there. I found that out at the CES show last month.
    All the transaction took place @ the best buy store..I handed in my old Samsung phone, and walked out with the Note 4. Even though there was a Samsung area set up @ the store, I don't exactly remember if a Samsung employee was there..and honestly, those Samsung technicians @ best buy are not the most knowledgeable in my experience. I know more than them at times when I have walked in for help. Samsung lacks terribly in tech support. I highly doubt even if a tech was present there he would have recommended me about the app transfer!
    02-21-2015 01:27 PM
  15. Android D's Avatar
    All of this is exactly why I am rooted and use Titanium Backup. I have it set to do automated backups of new and updated apps twice a week. It also keeps 2 copies of backups so if an app update destroys functionality I can easily restore to the previous version. Titanium Backup made the move from a GS3 to GS4 a much easier process. Main thing to keep in mind is not to try to use it for a 1 button restore when you are migrating to a newer model or different manufacturer and the Android version is different because you don't want to restore system level apps.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
    Yes I definitely see the positives to root here...And honestly it's sad to see that a phone must be rooted to use so many features.
    I haven't had good experience with rooting in the past, hence I promised myself not to root any phone i get from here on. Plus the whole rooting process gives you so many errors (i have seen the process for Note 4), i just don't want to brick my phone!
    02-21-2015 01:29 PM
  16. GregMargie's Avatar
    All the transaction took place @ the best buy store..I handed in my old Samsung phone, and walked out with the Note 4. Even though there was a Samsung area set up @ the store, I don't exactly remember if a Samsung employee was there..and honestly, those Samsung technicians @ best buy are not the most knowledgeable in my experience. I know more than them at times when I have walked in for help. Samsung lacks terribly in tech support. I highly doubt even if a tech was present there he would have recommended me about the app transfer!
    Wow, that's really a shame, I find the Samsung techs at my local Best Buy to be very good and very well trained. Now calling Samsung direct, that I have found not helpful at all.
    02-21-2015 03:52 PM
  17. PlanetPluto7's Avatar
    App Backup and Restore works well to backup the apps on one phone and restore them on another. You can't completely get around the Play Store only downloading one app at a time though. Nova will backup your Homescreens with the current apps on then having a placeholder "icon".
    02-21-2015 06:06 PM
  18. wesyates's Avatar
    First off, everyone should know that **any backup solution is not 100% effective. That is to say, unless you make an image of your device, you will lose information and when you restore from any 'backup', you will have to clean up afterwards (add accounts, apps, etc.)

    That said, IMHO, there is no single backup solution that works but a combination of Google account sync, your carrier's backup solution (YMMV), and a physical copy of the data on the device if possible is what I suggest. I do tech support for phones and when I have to initiate a FDR, I always propose a complete backup in at least 2 different ways; one of which is Google sync and the other is hard backup to a computer.

    As for iPhones, if I never see an iPhone again it would be one second too soon. However, backing up via iTunes is a nice thing. If Google came up with an app like iTunes where a user can connect to a computer via the cable, have the backup app start on the computer and do a backup, then that would be the shizzle. I think hamsterwheel mentioned that BB had an app that went on your computer and synced/backed up your device. That's what I'm talking about. Kies is great I'm sure, but its Samsung (if I read correctly).

    We need something that will see the device itself and make an image of the device with the option to include external storage.
    02-22-2015 07:16 AM
  19. wesyates's Avatar
    There is Literally NO app out there that can back up SMS, pics, app data, contacts, call logs, etc etc by just push of a button..
    I disagree. There are plenty of apps out that do just that. I use GoSMS Pro as my SMS/MMS user app and it has the ability to backup SMS/MMS to local SD, a 'cloud', or DropBox. As well, many carriers will provide a solution for backing up phone contacts, SMS/MMS, call logs, documents, videos, photos, music, etc. as needed (YMMV). My carrier is Verizon and their Verizon Cloud is *very useful for backing up messages and call logs. HOWEVER, it does not find all the media files as the app only knows to look in pre-defined locations. See my previous post here for my suggestion on what and how to backup. Look on Play Store for apps that will backup your messages.
    02-22-2015 07:30 AM
  20. Android D's Avatar
    I disagree. There are plenty of apps out that do just that. I use GoSMS Pro as my SMS/MMS user app and it has the ability to backup SMS/MMS to local SD, a 'cloud', or DropBox. As well, many carriers will provide a solution for backing up phone contacts, SMS/MMS, call logs, documents, videos, photos, music, etc. as needed (YMMV). My carrier is Verizon and their Verizon Cloud is *very useful for backing up messages and call logs. HOWEVER, it does not find all the media files as the app only knows to look in pre-defined locations. See my previous post here for my suggestion on what and how to backup. Look on Play Store for apps that will backup your messages.
    I see what you are trying to say. I tried helium app premium version, but for some reason I can't get their website to work from where I can download the desktop tool needed for that app.

    By now this topic has been beaten to death, but I just wanted a general opinion of every one out there. General consensus is it's a little complicated for Android the whole back up process, so I will have to use multiple apps/tools to achieve my goal!

    Thanks every 1 for their input!
    02-22-2015 07:36 PM
  21. Android D's Avatar
    I disagree. There are plenty of apps out that do just that. I use GoSMS Pro as my SMS/MMS user app and it has the ability to backup SMS/MMS to local SD, a 'cloud', or DropBox. As well, many carriers will provide a solution for backing up phone contacts, SMS/MMS, call logs, documents, videos, photos, music, etc. as needed (YMMV). My carrier is Verizon and their Verizon Cloud is *very useful for backing up messages and call logs. HOWEVER, it does not find all the media files as the app only knows to look in pre-defined locations. See my previous post here for my suggestion on what and how to backup. Look on Play Store for apps that will backup your messages.
    I am also on verizon...I see that we can back up on verizon, but what if we switch to another provider ? can we still have verizon app on let's say a At&T phone to restore out stuff from verizon cloud ??
    02-22-2015 07:37 PM
  22. wesyates's Avatar
    I am also on verizon...I see that we can back up on verizon, but what if we switch to another provider ? can we still have verizon app on let's say a At&T phone to restore out stuff from verizon cloud ??
    Good question. I doubt it. In fact, once the account is deactivated, access to your verizon wireless account is also deactivated. That's really why I would push for a great vendor-neutral backup solution. Not just one by the carrier.
    02-23-2015 05:05 PM
  23. Android D's Avatar
    Good question. I doubt it. In fact, once the account is deactivated, access to your verizon wireless account is also deactivated. That's really why I would push for a great vendor-neutral backup solution. Not just one by the carrier.
    Exactly...Samsung should come with it @ least for their phones! They go after Apple on a lot of things (lol) why haven't they come up with a icloud like solution for their devices ?
    02-23-2015 11:30 PM
  24. Bosbouer's Avatar
    Here is some more information on the Android handles backups;

    HTG Explains: What Android Data is Backed Up Automatically?

    Specifically the very last section fro creating an offline PC backup
    02-24-2015 01:14 AM
  25. Bosbouer's Avatar
    The ADB backup works but is not incremental... but as it only takes space up on a PC not really an issue. One needs to name to backup or you wont see it on the PC

    I noted that the backup screen from ADB is similar to Helium screen and found this:
    Carbon: the way Google should be doing backup on Android | Android Central
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    02-27-2015 01:19 AM
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