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  1. natehoy's Avatar
    I have an app on some of my iPhones, especially the older ones that tells how many battery cycles each has and the battery capacity.

    On the 3GS, it has 512 cycles with 97% capacity left, the 6+ has 365 cycles with 98% capacity, the 6+ has 117 cycles with 96% capacity.

    You can see that the loss in capacity after these years has been very little. The phones will be so old and replaces long before the battery becomes useless.
    Those are some excellent statistics. Thank you. Good demonstration of the early stages of battery use.

    None of those batteries are really old enough (cycle wise) to start seeing degradation, though. If you charge your phone once per day and keep your phone for 2 years, your chances of seeing significant degradation (which usually starts around 500-800 cycles for most Lithium batteries) are relatively low. And that is why most people don't care about sealed batteries.


    I have to charge my phone from under 50% at least three times a day with a fresh battery. So for the sake of estimation, let's say I am doing 1.5 cycles a day. That means my battery is going through approximately 550 cycles a year.

    My first Note 4 battery was great for a year. It degraded slightly after that and required more frequent top-offs, but in the end lasted about 17-18 months. Approximately 825 cycles. Then it developed a failed cell and suffered from the "dead at 30%" failure.

    Assuming I was not a heavy user (I use the heck out of the Note's productivity features all day long) and babied the battery a little more, I probably could have cruised right to two years and turned it in, never giving the battery a second thought.

    But here I am, 2.5 years after buying it - well over 1600 recharge cycles under its belt, still enjoying like-new battery life, on my 4th battery. 100% thanks to the fact that Sammy was wise enough to make the battery easy to replace in the Note 4.
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    07-18-2017 08:11 AM
  2. ChetManley762's Avatar
    I have an app on some of my iPhones, especially the older ones that tells how many battery cycles each has and the battery capacity.

    On the 3GS, it has 512 cycles with 97% capacity left, the 6+ has 365 cycles with 98% capacity, the 6+ has 117 cycles with 96% capacity.

    You can see that the loss in capacity after these years has been very little. The phones will be so old and replaces long before the battery becomes useless.
    There's no possible way a battery that has gone through 512 Cycles can still have 97% capacity. Not with lithium ion technology anyway. That app has to be wildly inaccurate.
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    07-18-2017 10:36 AM
  3. NexusGirlX's Avatar
    There's no possible way a battery that has gone through 512 Cycles can still have 97% capacity. Not with lithium ion technology anyway. That app has to be wildly inaccurate.
    Two different apps report the same stats for that phone so it is correct. One app is Coconut battery and the other is a Jailbreak app called battery life.

    They both get the info directly from what the phone tells them. I can tell you that the battery still lasts just as long as my 6S+.
    07-18-2017 10:39 AM
  4. Brew Swayne's Avatar
    I intend on upgrading to the Note 8 about a month or so after it gets released....gotta make sure they aren't blowing up or anything. Love my Note 4 but I've had it over 2 years now and it's time for something new. Somehow I've managed to burn the keyboard into the screen. It's not terribly noticable unless the background of what I'm looking at is mostly white/light colored. The usb port also seems to have a bit of wiggle in it so I'm sure that could break basically any day now. Just need it to hold out another 6-8 weeks.
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    07-21-2017 09:48 PM
  5. ChetManley762's Avatar
    I intend on upgrading to the Note 8 about a month or so after it gets released....gotta make sure they aren't blowing up or anything. Love my Note 4 but I've had it over 2 years now and it's time for something new. Somehow I've managed to burn the keyboard into the screen. It's not terribly noticable unless the background of what I'm looking at is mostly white/light colored. The usb port also seems to have a bit of wiggle in it so I'm sure that could break basically any day now. Just need it to hold out another 6-8 weeks.
    I wish you luck! Everything you said makes sense, if my Note 4 was falling apart I would also be looking for a new phone. But it has held up remarkably well. Nothing but a couple scratches on the screen!
    07-22-2017 10:28 AM
  6. Doug Moffat's Avatar
    I think the Note line lost the workhorse crown the day they turned to a sealed battery.
    07-22-2017 10:45 AM
  7. ChetManley762's Avatar
    Agreed
    07-22-2017 12:31 PM
  8. JimmieCD's Avatar
    Had my Note 4 more than 2 yrs, even have new, unused, Note 4 patiently waiting for this one to give up the ghost. I like this phone for a number of reasons: removeable batt, expandable storage, can tether my laptop, can print using Google Cloud Print, store pictures and music on sd card, texting is flawless, connect to my Toyota, use Android Pay, has headphone jack and takes great pictures. Why do I need another phone?
    07-22-2017 04:55 PM
  9. Note4TheBest4U's Avatar
    I am not buying ANY phone that does not have a removable battery. I replaced my stock battery with a 1000mAH that weighs like a brick. But I need it as I travel and don't have time to stick it in a charging slot.

    I posted another thread where WhatsApp is the culprit and drains battery like a kid slurping a soda in a movie theater.

    I will be having my Note 4 till it does on me or I lose it. So yeah, another few years to go. I had a squaretrade warranty that replaced it last year after 2 years (camera was not focusing).
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    07-22-2017 10:06 PM
  10. MrMELTDOWN's Avatar
    I will definitely miss the removable battery as well. It'll probably be cheap phones from here on out for me. No way I'm paying $700+ dollars for a phone with a sealed battery.
    My thoughts exactly. My wife wants a new phone so I'll take her Note 4 as a spare and use these until they're dead IR can no longer buy a battery. ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    07-23-2017 01:02 AM
  11. MrMELTDOWN's Avatar
    I do not mind throwing away a rechargeable flashlight when it fails to hold a decent charge. But an expensive phone?
    My thoughts exactly. ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    07-23-2017 01:06 AM
  12. Bishop_99's Avatar
    The removable battery and the sd card removal at first were big reasons I stayed with my day one Note 4, thankfully they brought back the sd card slot at least. I was considering upgrading this year, both batteries were failing and I thought it may be an issue with the phone. Then I bought an Anker battery and all the issues were solved.

    I know I'm behind in phone tech, but I don't see enough advancements to justify spending $800-$1,000 for a new phone that can't really compete with my custom PC. Plus, another option being taken away from me with the sealed battery. I payed $750 plus tax for the Note 4 and I think that was my limit. The phone still works flawlessly for me, and as long as it does, I have no reason to spend that kind of money on a phone. Prices are getting out of control and now it's mainly about cosmetics over functionality. At least a removable battery gives me some control over the device.

    Bought a new 4K UHD TV and I feel that it was money better spent. In a couple of months I'll buy the stand alone UHD Blu-ray player. Much happier with these tech purchases than spending so much on a new phone I really don't need. Note 4 has been rock solid, removable battery gave it new life.

    So it will be year 3 with the Note 4 in October. Considering the phones of 2017, my Note 4 may be around for year 4 if it lasts until then and if OEM's don't provide options.
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    07-24-2017 10:13 AM
  13. sinfoman's Avatar
    Just replaced with S8 only because it was free with a 2 year term with the same plan I have been having.
    N4 is still strong. It lags here and there and fast charging no longer works. The camera and picture quality are a bit dated. Beside those, it is more than decent.
    That 1440p AMOLED screen. Just fantastic even after almost 3 years. Even now, not many makers to 1440p AMOLED dispay.
    It was probably the last samsung's flagship phone with removable battery. I will miss this.
    Hey, as to fast charging, if you still have a phone, I have a workaround for (possible) that: 1) obviously make sure it's a QC charger 2) Make sure the quick charge setting is on and finally 3) Power off the phone. Plug in the charger. Activate the screen until the single charging green dot at the bottom appears. Immediately unplug and replug the charger, before the screen turns off. Works every time for me, although I'll be D@MNED if I know why..
    07-24-2017 10:22 AM
  14. Jay Sacks's Avatar
    I keep trying to find a reason to replace my note 4, been over 2 years. But, no burn in, screen doesn't have a mark and still runs flawlessly. Don't care much about the removable battery except easy replacement and have had several. I think water proofing is the death of the removable battery.
    Hope the Note 8 gives me a good reason, but the more I see the less I am encouraged.
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    07-26-2017 11:10 PM
  15. JnEricsonx's Avatar
    Expandable memory+replaceable battery=keeping my 4 for now. I used my Note 2 from 2013 summer till last fall. If I can listen to music, watch Netflix, make phone calls, some light mobile gaming, etc, that's all that concerns me.
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    07-27-2017 01:42 AM
  16. RadeonHD4250's Avatar
    Yes, I am extremely happy with my Note 4 after my modifications. (Rooted, ZeroLemon Battery, Battery friendly kernel)

    I've yet to move to an S8 based ROM just yet because I'm loving the speed and stability of the Note 7 one I'm on.

    It's a shame Android handles updates differently than iOS because the Note 4 handles the latest OS features PERFECTLY.

    I'm holding on to this bad boy until it's completely dead. Custom support for Note 4 is still strong.
    I can be happy with the Note 7 base for the rest of the phones' lifespan, but I may try the S8 base after a the kinks are ironed out.
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    07-30-2017 06:06 PM
  17. svtcobra's Avatar
    I still have 2 mint Note 4s. 1 white 1 black. And a gazillion accys. I'm thinking of going to the Note 8. We will see about a month in, how other people test it first! I've never traded or sold any phone that I bought new. #cellOholic
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    08-16-2017 03:53 AM
  18. MrMELTDOWN's Avatar
    Assuming you go with a Note 8 or other sealed battery device, can a repair facility or the factory replace the battery after it degrades?
    08-27-2017 03:30 AM
  19. natehoy's Avatar
    Assuming you go with a Note 8 or other sealed battery device, can a repair facility or the factory replace the battery after it degrades?
    Yes. Well, at least that has been possible in the Note 5 and 7 models. Replacement is possible, if not trivial. It can even be a do-it-yourself job if you have the time and bravery for it. LOL

    Example: Note 7

    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Sams...Teardown/66389

    The major highlights being, of course, that you might bust the waterproofing, it's a rather delicate and time-consuming operation, OEM is unlikely to offer batteries to consumers and it's going to be fairly spendy, and of course warranty voided instantly.
    08-28-2017 09:05 AM
  20. starbuckk's Avatar
    Note 4 does all I need it to do. Why blow 1000 bucks on fluff?
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    08-28-2017 03:30 PM
  21. Paradroid01's Avatar
    I wanted to use it much much longer, but it died. Motherboard damage like so many others.
    08-28-2017 03:54 PM
  22. JohnMcL7's Avatar
    I'm very split about my Note 4 as it's an odd situation when the phone is nearly three years old and new phones seem to offer more of a downgrade than upgrade. My Note 4 is a bit sickly as it seems to have problems switching cellular bands which leaves it offline when I go out of the town centre, I can't use 4G any more and I've been caught a few times not realising the phone was offline which is an issue as I spend a lot of time on call for work. There's also some minor damage from an accident (pink blemish on screen and the frame is bent) and the rear cover has become brittle leaving it to start flaking apart and cracking. I can't seem to find a genuine replacement.

    It's also not running well with marshmallow as it's more sluggish and batterylife has suffered.

    I'm waiting to see what the LG V30 offers (LG's past performance in Europe doesn't give much hope) and also considering the Note 8, I'd definitely like a bigger screen (still use the 6.44in Z Ultra for a drone controller and the Note 4 seems small) but I dislike the curved screen, fixed battery, USB-C (I realise that's the standard now but micro USB is more convenient for me) and fragile build.
    08-29-2017 05:19 PM
  23. eshropshire's Avatar
    The Note 4 has been my favorite smartphone. I don't change very often four phones since 2009. I have preordered a Note 8. Time to move to phone 5. Great deals on the Note 8 if you look around.
    08-30-2017 12:58 AM
  24. Brew Swayne's Avatar
    I intend on upgrading to the Note 8 about a month or so after it gets released....gotta make sure they aren't blowing up or anything. Love my Note 4 but I've had it over 2 years now and it's time for something new. Somehow I've managed to burn the keyboard into the screen. It's not terribly noticable unless the background of what I'm looking at is mostly white/light colored. The usb port also seems to have a bit of wiggle in it so I'm sure that could break basically any day now. Just need it to hold out another 6-8 weeks.
    I guess I lied. Got an email today from Sam's club offering a free Galaxy Gear 360 camera or wireless charging station and a 128gb Samsung Evo Pro MicroSD card if you pre-order by 9/24.

    But wait!!! There's more!!!

    They're also throwing in a $200 SC gift card for pre-orders until 9/24.

    AND....

    If you pre-order between 9/15 - 9/17 they'll also waive your activation fee.

    So yeah, looks like I'll be pre-ordering between 9/15 - 9/17.
    08-30-2017 05:48 PM
  25. Coraya's Avatar
    I long for the day they make another Note as good as the Note 4. No silly curved screen, IR blaster and just a sturdy workhorse. Phones have become fashion statements, I think that's the problem. I don't have my Note 4 anymore because I had bad luck with the. 3-4 replacements in one year and I was concerned about the warranty. But it was still one of the best smartphones I have ever ever owned.
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    09-07-2017 06:38 AM
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