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  1. syspry's Avatar
    I don't take the spare battery and its charger/case with me all the time as my Note 4 gets very good battery life. I only take it on the occasion when I think I may need the option or I know I'll be away from a charging source for an extended period of time. In those cases it's very portable and easily slips right into a pocket as it's pretty slim (pic below). Its wall charger only comes along when traveling out of town, otherwise if needed I just connect it in the car (via a standard car charger) or when at work to my PC (via a spare USB cable left there). In comparison with an embedded battery, even though it may last a long time you're stuck having to connect it and wait for a charge, something that can take longer the more the battery has been discharged or the higher its capacity. Then if you want to use it while it's charging you have to deal with the attached cable or an external battery pack (if used). To me, that's a much bigger inconvenience than dealing with an extra battery and its charger. But different strokes for different folks.

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    You don't sleep? Yes I'm being a joker, but in seriousness if you have a high capacity battery you'll have no problem making it last until bed time
    04-14-2015 05:02 PM
  2. anon(394005)'s Avatar
    You don't sleep? Yes I'm being a joker, but in seriousness if you have a high capacity battery you'll have no problem making it last until bed time
    I could make it to bedtime no problem if I followed that model of charging (except during very heavy use). But with a user-replaceable battery and a spare, I don't worry about it and typically wait to swap out for a fresh battery at about 15-20% charge (then put the depleted battery in the charger so it's ready to go when needed again).
    04-14-2015 08:25 PM
  3. celticchrys's Avatar
    I agree with OP. If only Samsung read this forum.
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    04-14-2015 08:48 PM
  4. syspry's Avatar
    I could make it to bedtime no problem if I followed that model of charging (except during very heavy use). But with a user-replaceable battery and a spare, I don't worry about it and typically wait to swap out for a fresh battery at about 15-20% charge (then put the depleted battery in the charger so it's ready to go when needed again).
    And you're still carrying an extra piece of hardware
    04-14-2015 08:54 PM
  5. Haalcyon's Avatar
    I wouldn't swap my battery simply because I don't want to repeatedly rip off my case and open my phone to do so. I would replace the battery if it begins to show signs of wearing out. Now that, that is peace of mind.
    04-15-2015 03:32 AM
  6. monsieurms's Avatar
    I would argue that carrying an extra piece of hardware is more inconvenient than what you're describing with a long lasting embedded battery that doesn't require charging as often.. As for what you and Halycon mentioned about overall battery longevity and wearing out, I've only ever seen this become an issue on phones I've owned longer than 2 years. And those were using older battery tech.
    Depends, I guess, on whether you actually do things to wear that big battery out. I sure do. Let's see--5 hour drive next with GPs on and the MP3s, playing. Not to mention phone calls and ebook reading when I break.

    Batteries do eventually wear down. But what happens when you get even bigger ones is that if they would have been fresh and ok if 100%, you get in the habit of not topping them off as often--and you don't actually start at 100% all the time. 60% of a big battery isn't so big any more.

    In which case, by far, the easiest thing is to have an itty bitty tiny extra battery as a replacement.That'll work everywhere, without the need of charging, cables, or sockets.

    Just 3 weeks ago, btw, ran my battery down to 0 when it drew lots of juice for some reason in the middle of a complicated drive. I would've been lost 300 miles from home without GPS. Of course, I did have extra batteries. No problem. A battery pack might've worked in THAT instance, but talk about bigger things to carry---and they wear down too.
    04-15-2015 05:48 AM
  7. anon(394005)'s Avatar
    I wouldn't swap my battery simply because I don't want to repeatedly rip off my case and open my phone to do so. I would replace the battery if it begins to show signs of wearing out. Now that, that is peace of mind.
    Yup, that is peace of mind in particular when you keep your devices for years (ex. still have my Note 2 and plan to keep the Note 4 for years to come as well). I also find peace of mind knowing I always have a fully charged spare battery at the ready so I never have to worry about running out of juice.

    I can see it being a pain to frequently swap out a battery if you have a case. I use mine naked though (just a vertical leather pouch for transport) and have been taking the cover off/on to swap out a battery since my ol' HTC Thunderbolt days, so the process is so second nature I don't even think about it and can have a battery swapped out and the phone back up and running in a minute. Note: in case anyone is thinking well doesn't that wear out your battery door? It doesn't as long as you're careful and don't just rip it off and force it back on. Worse case though if needed, a new battery door can be picked up at minimal cost anyway.
    04-15-2015 06:33 AM
  8. anon(394005)'s Avatar
    And you're still carrying an extra piece of hardware
    As previously stated, I don't carry it with me all the time, only on occasion. Even when I do it's not an inconvenience at all. In the end, it's an option I find invaluable thus hope to see maintained on future Note devices. If it's not for you, no problem you don't have to use it.
    04-15-2015 06:58 AM
  9. monsieurms's Avatar
    Lost in the shuffle here, is exactly how much bigger the battery can be SOLELY because they eliminate the removal battery option.

    My guess is--not all that much and not nearly enough to make me happy about eliminating removable batteries. But I'd like to hear some statistics if anyone has that.
    04-15-2015 08:06 AM
  10. syspry's Avatar
    As previously stated, I don't carry it with me all the time, only on occasion. Even when I do it's not an inconvenience at all. In the end, it's an option I find invaluable thus hope to see maintained on future Note devices. If it's not for you, no problem you don't have to use it.
    Not really a question of yours or my personal feelings though, I'm speaking of comparison in general. A large built in battery that doesn't require frequently being charged is easier than removing a case, a backplate, and carrying one more piece of hardware. To you personally it might not be. But in general it is. Guess that's why we aren't in agreement, you're speaking towards your specific usage, I'm speaking in general terms. Not saying your usage is wrong, I'm just making a general observation.
    04-15-2015 12:37 PM
  11. Adawg1203's Avatar
    Batteries wear out. Its that simple. I like to be able to replace a worn battery myself, quickly and easily. It really is no more complicated than that. I also enjoy being able to slip a 128+GB SD card into my phone and move it to another one of my phones if I want.

    📐Welcome to the Dark. From the Note Edge.🍷
    Correct batteries do wear out over time. A long time.

    Even if you keep your device for 3 or 4 years the battery will be fine.
    04-16-2015 07:18 AM
  12. Haalcyon's Avatar
    Correct batteries do wear out over time. A long time.

    Even if you keep your device for 3 or 4 years the battery will be fine.
    It depends on how you maintain the battery. If you consistently wear in down to less than 40% before recharging it it is doubtful its going to last 3 years. It also depends on how often you charge it. Most contemporary batteries are good for ~ 300-400 discharge cycles before showing significant signs of wear. For most people that is less than 3 years. Again, the smaller the battery the more likely it is that it will be charged more often.

    🍷from the n.3 Monolith🍶
    04-16-2015 07:35 AM
  13. anon8380037's Avatar
    So the ifixit report thing where the S6 is difficult to breakdown but it is possible to replace the battery due to an accessible battery lead, whereas the S6 Edge is nigh on impossible to replace .....
    - the Note 5 is unlikely to be glass backed right?

    Worst scenario it has a sealed battery, and I hoped it doesn't, it should have the space and build to make a battery replacement a quick and inexpensive deal at an authorised repairer. They wouldn't make it unreplaceable unless by choice.

    So if the Note 5 has a sealed battery, an ifixit type breakdown will be valuable.
    04-16-2015 07:49 AM
  14. anon(394005)'s Avatar
    Not really a question of yours or my personal feelings though, I'm speaking of comparison in general. A large built in battery that doesn't require frequently being charged is easier than removing a case, a backplate, and carrying one more piece of hardware. To you personally it might not be. But in general it is. Guess that's why we aren't in agreement, you're speaking towards your specific usage, I'm speaking in general terms. Not saying your usage is wrong, I'm just making a general observation.
    Fair enough, although your point is predicated on making it through a day on one charge. That probably works for a lot of people but is not the point of this thread. The point here is that as Note users (typically hard core power users) we WANT the option of a user-replaceable battery as it provides the best and easiest opportunity to extend the running life of the phone.
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    04-16-2015 02:24 PM
  15. syspry's Avatar
    Fair enough, although your point is predicated on making it through a day on one charge. That probably works for a lot of people but is not the point of this thread. The point here is that as Note users (typically hard core power users) we WANT the option of a user-replaceable battery as it provides the best and easiest opportunity to extend the running life of the phone.
    They may not get it if the rumors about an aluminum chassis end up being true
    04-16-2015 05:15 PM
  16. anon(394005)'s Avatar
    They may not get it if the rumors about an aluminum chassis end up being true
    We'll see. If that's the case and the Note 5 has a sealed/embedded battery I know I won't be alone in saying I'll keep my Note 4 indefinitely until Samsung comes back to their senses may be with the Note 6.
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    04-16-2015 05:40 PM
  17. Eclipse2K's Avatar
    We'll see. If that's the case and the Note 5 has a sealed/embedded battery I know I won't be alone in saying I'll keep my Note 4 indefinitely until Samsung comes back to their senses may be with the Note 6.
    Unfortunately, I think once Samsung goes with embedded batteries you'll either have to deal with it or find a company that doesn't. A few reasons I say this:

    1. Motorola and HTC are doing this with no signs of switching back. The batteries last the life of the contract from my experience. This doesn't bother me nor a lot of users because carrying an extra battery is a hassle and unacceptable. I prefer the big battery of the Turbo embedded over a removable weaker battery. Now, if Samsung continues to use weak batteries such as the S6 than yes, they're doing an unacceptable thing IMO.

    2. Samsung Ativ laptops have embedded batteries and are extremely nice. I prefer the thin design anyways.

    It just seems like embedded batteries are the norm and will be standard before you know it. I admit having options is great but I realize this is where we are headed.

    All IMO of course.

    Edit: Apparently if your battery has less than 80% capacity within a year they will fix it free. Afterwards, its $45+ shipping. Hopefully they have a replacement program so you're not without the phone.

    https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/samsung...183833496.html
    04-16-2015 09:03 PM
  18. jlost's Avatar
    Sorry to break it to you people out there but Samsung will be going with this newer s6 look. Maybe not with the Note 5, or maybe they will but it will happen. Millions of people are going goo goo for the s6. Samsung doesn't make money on their batteries so that won't hurt them. Every company will be going in that direction sooner or later. At least Samsung is making them look excellent unlike other boring phones. I would just want sapphire glass on it if they are making the back glass as well to make it a little more safe.
    04-16-2015 10:41 PM
  19. syspry's Avatar
    Another reason why I think you're seeing removable batteries and SD cards going the way of the dodo is because the biggest proponents of them are a niche group within a niche group. In other words, techies who are also SD card and removable battery fans.

    Samsung never gained dominance over other android oems because of either. Who would be the biggest expert on who buys Samsung phones? Samsung. Do you see a removable battery or SD card in the S6? And yet it's already shaping up to be a huge success.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see them keep an SD card in the Note, I could see that having some business related applications. Data sharing etc. But if they put a removable battery in it, I'll be very surprised. I'm already reading S6 buyer reviews from carrier stores and the harshest one I've seen so far is "a little disappointed about no SD card or removable battery but no big deal this phone is awesome!" that's the kind of tone I'm seeing set among buyers and critics alike.

    tl;dr version: Samsung will go unibody from now on and only a very small group of people won't like it, and most of them will buy anyway.
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    04-17-2015 01:43 AM
  20. doctordwaynewilliams's Avatar
    There's hope Obi-Wan....

    http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/s...pecs-and-price

    via The Note 4
    Looks like the Note 5 is going to be a beast of a smartphone. Micro SD card and removable battery or not, I will be purchasing this on launch day for sure.
    04-17-2015 02:43 AM
  21. anon(394005)'s Avatar
    I think those proclaiming it's a forgone conclusion the Note 5 will follow the S6 with a sealed/embedded battery are jumping the gun. These are two different lines of devices designed for different types of users. So one does NOT necessarily follow the other.

    From the Trusted Reviews link above:
    "Although Samsung will continue this push for a premium look and feel with the Note 5, those hoping for a fully metal handset look set to miss out. According to Samsung’s designers, the Note 4 omitted a full metal body over fears the handset would be too ‘hard and cold’.

    “The designers have been aware of people’s desire for a metal frame. However, using metal material just for the sake of using it didn’t make much sense,” one of Samsung’s lead designers said via an official company blog post.

    They added: “One thing the designers did not want to do was to use metal and give out the sense that the device is too hard and cold.

    “The soft cover allows the user to change batteries, which is also a big part of the user experience of the Galaxy Note 4.”"
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    04-17-2015 03:34 PM
  22. anon(394005)'s Avatar
    Not really a question of yours or my personal feelings though, I'm speaking of comparison in general. A large built in battery that doesn't require frequently being charged is easier than removing a case, a backplate, and carrying one more piece of hardware. To you personally it might not be. But in general it is. Guess that's why we aren't in agreement, you're speaking towards your specific usage, I'm speaking in general terms. Not saying your usage is wrong, I'm just making a general observation.
    Here's an example of the convenience/advantage of a user-replaceable battery (screenshots below. Took 3 minutes to swap out battery and take another screenshot). If one had a sealed/embedded battery they'd be about dead in the water or tethered to a charging source.

    Please Samsung, don't do this to the Note 5!-screenshot_2015-04-17-17-03-07.jpg
    Please Samsung, don't do this to the Note 5!-screenshot_2015-04-17-17-03-20.jpg
    Please Samsung, don't do this to the Note 5!-screenshot_2015-04-17-17-06-01.jpg
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    04-17-2015 05:14 PM
  23. syspry's Avatar
    I think those proclaiming it's a forgone conclusion the Note 5 will follow the S6 with a sealed/embedded battery are jumping the gun. These are two different lines of devices designed for different types of users. So one does NOT necessarily follow the other.

    From the Trusted Reviews link above:
    "Although Samsung will continue this push for a premium look and feel with the Note 5, those hoping for a fully metal handset look set to miss out. According to Samsung’s designers, the Note 4 omitted a full metal body over fears the handset would be too ‘hard and cold’.

    “The designers have been aware of people’s desire for a metal frame. However, using metal material just for the sake of using it didn’t make much sense,” one of Samsung’s lead designers said via an official company blog post.

    They added: “One thing the designers did not want to do was to use metal and give out the sense that the device is too hard and cold.

    “The soft cover allows the user to change batteries, which is also a big part of the user experience of the Galaxy Note 4.”"
    Perhaps, but those comments happened before Samsung decided on a design shift this year. Personally I think the hard/cold comment was nonsense anyway, iPads are beautiful to hold and look at as are iPhone and iPads are larger than the note. Sounds more to me like he was simply defending the plastic, Samsung employees have been making public comments similar to that one since the grumbling for non plastic started a few years ago
    04-17-2015 06:08 PM
  24. Eclipse2K's Avatar
    Perhaps, but those comments happened before Samsung decided on a design shift this year. Personally I think the hard/cold comment was nonsense anyway, iPads are beautiful to hold and look at as are iPhone and iPads are larger than the note. Sounds more to me like he was simply defending the plastic, Samsung employees have been making public comments similar to that one since the grumbling for non plastic started a few years ago
    My laptop (Samsung Ativ) is an aluminum shell and its the best feeling laptop I've ever owned. I'll take the "cold" feeling with a premium feel over cheap plastic that creaks for a number of reasons. This is one reason I got rid of the S5 for a Droid Turbo even though it meant paying $650 to do so. For the price of a phone I expect it to feel premium and not like a child put it together or like a Fisher Price toy.
    04-17-2015 06:14 PM
  25. anon(394005)'s Avatar
    Perhaps, but those comments happened before Samsung decided on a design shift this year. Personally I think the hard/cold comment was nonsense anyway, iPads are beautiful to hold and look at as are iPhone and iPads are larger than the note. Sounds more to me like he was simply defending the plastic, Samsung employees have been making public comments similar to that one since the grumbling for non plastic started a few years ago
    My laptop (Samsung Ativ) is an aluminum shell and its the best feeling laptop I've ever owned. I'll take the "cold" feeling with a premium feel over cheap plastic that creaks for a number of reasons. This is one reason I got rid of the S5 for a Droid Turbo even though it meant paying $650 to do so. For the price of a phone I expect it to feel premium and not like a child put it together or like a Fisher Price toy.
    I recently picked up a Microsoft Surface Pro 3 (replaced an OG Note 10.1 and an old Dell laptop) that has a sealed/embedded battery. But that does NOT mean I'm now OK with the same on the Note 5. Tablets/laptops are an apple to oranges comparison and IMO do not apply here.
    04-17-2015 06:20 PM
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