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  1. Okeagle's Avatar
    Your post is the best one on this subject. The thing I might add is really a question to you guys that know so much more than me about this stuff. The question I have is whether it is important to be able to pull the battery out to truly shut down the phone? I sometimes take the battery out of my Note 4 to clear out the memory. Does a simple restart without taking out the battery accomplish the same thing?
    07-15-2015 01:39 PM
  2. KJ78's Avatar
    It's not just the sealed battery, but the fact that it's so small. It should be 3500, if not 4500 mAh, imho.
    07-15-2015 01:39 PM
  3. Manoy's Avatar
    If they added things like a camera that was as good or better than the S6 and maybe brought back waterproofing, that may sway me to accept the memory card and battery. I would have to buy a battery extender case or charger, but I already have storage with google and keep my pics and vids synced up, so not too big a deal there.
    07-15-2015 01:41 PM
  4. Ntchwaidumela's Avatar
    The note will be my first and last Samsung of that's the case. I'll end up checking out the Nexus line of phones. Why would I want to deal with touchwiz if we lose the 2 things that made it worth dealing with.
    I suggest you check out the LG G4 (and successors). The Nexus line also has sealed battery and no SD option.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    07-15-2015 02:12 PM
  5. LuxuryTouringZone's Avatar
    A lack of expandable storage and removable battery would definitely be a turn off for me. As some wise man said around here not too long ago, people like choices; whether we're going to be pulling our batteries or using the memory slot or not, it's important for users to at least have the option exist.
    07-15-2015 02:16 PM
  6. SebasCvdB's Avatar
    No SD Card is a deal breaker for me, it's the main reason I did not like the S6 and going forward I'm going to assume major flagship phones from Samsung are going to not include an SD card slot... I was a big Samsung supporter... up til the S6..
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    07-15-2015 02:30 PM
  7. Ntchwaidumela's Avatar
    I've had my Note 4 since January. I've never changed the SD card. I've never swapped the battery, but I know batteries don't last forever. As long as it's not too expensive to have a battery replaced at a shop, I don't care if it's a sealed battery.
    What's easier, taking your phone to a shop to have a battery replaced (if you can find a capable shop) or simply popping in a new battery yourself?

    Posted via the Android Central App
    07-15-2015 02:34 PM
  8. Ntchwaidumela's Avatar
    Well I landed this AM from a long redeye flight. My Note 4 was at 6%. As we taxied, I swapped the battery for a fresh one, 100% in a matter of seconds.

    I do have a charging pack in my bag, but it was in the overhead. Didn't feel like fishing it out and tethering during the flight. Cumbersome at best.

    Putting the new fresh charged battery in and going about my day is so nice.

    So, SD card gone? Ok. 128gig model I guess. Removable battery gone? Gives me serious pause.
    But how much are you willing to fork over for the extra storage that you can't take with you when you swap out to the next phone?

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    07-15-2015 02:39 PM
  9. Ntchwaidumela's Avatar
    For all of the things people complain about the Note 5, remember that there are "issues" with every phone out there. For issues, I mean what owners do not like about their phone. Their own peeves.
    I would check the other threads first before jumping ship to see what issues others are complaining about. The grass isn't always greener.
    Personally, I don't see how a battery in 2015 will not hold a charge over the lifespan of the device. I have a bigger problem with Samsung not increasing the size of the screen.

    Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
    Not having a replacement battery or SD options are not just issues. These are main features.

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    07-15-2015 02:42 PM
  10. Ntchwaidumela's Avatar
    Having used Nexus phones for the past 5 years I haven't cared about replaceable batteries or SD cards in a long time. Which is why the S6 was a fine replacement for me.

    I'm also on Sprint, so backing up to the cloud doesn't cost me a cent more. Unlimited that is, ya know, unlimited

    I would also point out that forum users are a very specialized and very tiny minority of the overall smartphone user space. Most people may buy an extra battery and never take the time to figure out how to swap them out. I've seen that myself with my friends.

    The trend might circle back around, but I would not bet on it. I'm betting Google and Apple will push the carriers to unlimited plans before either started making or recommending SD cards in their phones.
    If someone truly doesn't know how to swap out a battery, they're dumber than a pile of rocks and shouldn't be allowed to own a smartphone in the first place.

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    07-15-2015 02:51 PM
  11. Neo_ii_Droid's Avatar
    Here's what I'm finding/hearing/reading out regarding sealed phones such as the SGS6/SGS6E. That when it gets wet or dropped into water, they're experiencing some problems with the battery/charging/overheating. While that may be limited in number, but that certainly would be an issue if there's no means to remove the battery as soon as it gets wet? Not that I myself be wanting to get my phone wet, but I do live and work in the PNW (The Emerald City).

    To seal or not to seal? That remains to be seen.
    07-15-2015 03:02 PM
  12. DRAZY's Avatar
    The debate over whether a device has a removal battery or an microSD slot always amuses me. Before I bought my Note 4 last December I owned a 32GB HTC M8. Although it has an microSD slot I didn't find any gripes with the battery not being removable. For as long as I can remember, I've never seen a large swath of cases where people experienced batteries not operating properly after extended use and battery technology has gotten a lot better since the first mobile devices showed up.

    This issue with expandable memory, sure that could be arguably, but why? Why all the fuss all of the time? I hate to state the obvious but Apple hasn't had non-removable batteries or SD expansion since the iPhone dropped in 2007. Their fanbase seems to be doing just fine. The point I'm making is you always have the option of buying a device with ample storage. If 32 isn't enough buy 64. If 64 isn't enough but whatever is next. I have 96GB of storage on my Note 4 (32GB internal + 64 microSD) and I'm no where near filling up the space. As a matter of fact, I'll probably be replacing it with a 64 or 128GB Note 5 here soon. In my opinion it's really not an issue. The phone probably sheds some size by eliminating the need to have a removable battery and microSD slot.

    Everyone, just take a breath and calm down. This is probably the going trend for most (if not all) flagship devices in the very near future.

    Have a great day!
    07-15-2015 03:05 PM
  13. lsmachado's Avatar
    I'm not all that worried about the SD card, but I would really like to have the option of a removable battery, not just to keep my phone powered up, but also for the rare times when I have an issue and need to do a battery pull.

    That was one of the only frustrations I had with my previous phone, a Nokia Lumia Windows phone. I really hope they don't do away with that option!

    Posted via the Android Central App on my Note 4
    07-15-2015 03:32 PM
  14. monsieurms's Avatar
    Tbut Apple hasn't had non-removable batteries or SD expansion since the iPhone dropped in 2007.!
    That's pretty funny in a way. Apple pretty much had the market locked up, until its intransigence on 3 things: screen size, sd cards, removable batteries--allowed Samsung and Android to differentiate itself. Since then, it's been a dogfight and in many markets Apple is losing.

    I'm glad these features are not important to you. Everyone has their own needs on high end devices. It is nice you have more flexibility than I do. Because they are not important to you, however, does not mean they are irrelevant to everyone; not everyone may have the same needs.

    BTW, the last time I was traveling with an iPhone user on a business trip, it was pretty funny the way that phone kept dying while I just popped in new batteries and saved the day. The reasons why I like these features are not theoretical fantasies. I use them regularly and I've used them in important situations.
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    07-15-2015 03:33 PM
  15. Sammuel1973's Avatar
    I hate to state the obvious but Apple hasn't had non-removable batteries or SD expansion since the iPhone dropped in 2007. Their fanbase seems to be doing just fine.
    Well, one can argue Apple may have lost a lot of their customers to Android because of their non-removable batteries, no sd expansion, small display, lack of customization, and mainly more expensive price. Samsung's Note 4 is a masterpiece, even with a removable back and sd card expansion, and larger display and battery, somehow it is the same size, if not a bit smaller than the IPhone 6+. IMO, Samsung should have marketed the sd card and removable battery option...somehow mainstream consumers have yet to see the benefit. Instead they are brainwashed to think plastic is inferior. Apple's marketing is pure genius.
    07-15-2015 08:20 PM
  16. jfoofoo's Avatar
    while both are nice to have but none are deal breakers to me based on how I use my phone. Quick charging and battery pack will help on those long day and trip and I am never too far from a power source or without my battery pack. SD card is nice to have but I back everything up multiple cloud storage regardless, so I am fine without it. However if the default battery life is not great, that would be a deal breaker for me.
    07-15-2015 08:32 PM
  17. jfoofoo's Avatar
    Well, one can argue Apple may have lost a lot of their customers to Android because of their non-removable batteries, sd expansion, small display, lack of customization, and mainly cheaper price. Samsung's Note 4 is a masterpiece, even with a removable back and sd card expansion, and larger display, somehow it is the same size, if not a bit smaller than the IPhone 6+. IMO, Samsung should have marketed the sd card and removable battery options...somehow mainstream consumers have yet to see the benefit. Instead they are brainwashed to think plastic is inferior. Apple's marketing is pure genius.
    mainstream consumer wants a device they can just pick up and use, the SD card, swapping battery, changing launcher, rooting your phone are all just us and we are not mainstream consumer. However most of us are the consumers that only buys flagship devices, but we are still just a small percentage.
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    07-15-2015 08:35 PM
  18. Sammuel1973's Avatar
    mainstream consumer wants a device they can just pick up and use, the SD card, swapping battery, changing launcher, rooting your phone are all just us and we are not mainstream consumer. However most of us are the consumers that only buys flagship devices, but we are still just a small percentage.
    IMO, sd card and removable battery should be marketed as easy features to mainstream consumers, changing launcher and rooting not so much. Samsung dropped the ball on this one.
    07-15-2015 08:58 PM
  19. honda-Dave's Avatar
    I thought losing the external SD slot and removable battery would be a deal breaker for me, until I got the S6 edge for work. I love that phone, and if it was 5.7 inches and had an S-pen then I would ditch the note 4 altogether. I can't wait to see what they do to the note 5, I'm sure it will be all around better than the note 4.

    work:G.S.6 edge play: G.S. Note 4
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    07-15-2015 09:11 PM
  20. Rogue Tomato's Avatar
    What's easier, taking your phone to a shop to have a battery replaced (if you can find a capable shop) or simply popping in a new battery yourself?

    Posted via the Android Central App
    Popping in a new one, yourself, of course. But it's not a big deal to me. I consider it a small trade-off if the phone is good enough.

    If it was such a big deal, the iPhone wouldn't be as successful as it is. Apparently there are a lot of other people who don't think it's such a big deal.
    07-15-2015 11:42 PM
  21. Ntchwaidumela's Avatar
    Popping in a new one, yourself, of course. But it's not a big deal to me. I consider it a small trade-off if the phone is good enough.

    If it was such a big deal, the iPhone wouldn't be as successful as it is. Apparently there are a lot of other people who don't think it's such a big deal.
    I'll only say that you should compare the number of people switching to Android from IOS.

    Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk
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    07-15-2015 11:48 PM
  22. Sammuel1973's Avatar
    If it was such a big deal, the iPhone wouldn't be as successful as it is. Apparently there are a lot of other people who don't think it's such a big deal.
    Maybe because many mainstream consumers don't know any better? An Apple friend of mine is in the market recently for a new phone. When I showed him the ability to renew a 100% fully charged battery within 1 minute with my Note 4, he was shocked.
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    07-15-2015 11:53 PM
  23. NoNoiPhone4me's Avatar
    Personally, for me a non-replaceable battery and no microSD card slot will not be a deterrent. I have a Note 4 now with a 128 Gbyte card that is not even half full with about 50 audiobooks and podcasts, 20-30 Great Courses series (audio-only), a couple of HD films and a smattering of photos (which I always backup to the cloud). Give me a Note 5 with 160 Gbytes of built-in storage and a 4100 mAh battery and I will be more than fine.

    However, I asked this question in a thread about a week ago and I must confess that a fair amount of people really were using a second battery. So I can see why it would be a deal-breaker for some.

    Me, personally, the possible deal-breaker for me will be a lack of a USB-C port. Although rarely seen and used now (except by new Apple devices), the much greater speed and power capacity of USB-C is definitely a benefit. Without it, the Note 5 will not be much "future-proof" (that is, if you can call any cell phone these days "future-proof). If the Note 5 does not have USB-C, then I think I'll skip it and wait for the Note 6 or whatever else strikes my fancy in a year or so.
    07-15-2015 11:58 PM
  24. Noface's Avatar
    I'm becoming more and more concerned the Note 4 may be my last Samsung product. They keep taking great features and making them more complicated/complex to use.

    Instead of changing things that work fine let's fix he bugs that have been around for years. Intermittent notifications while in call, camera delay. Let's make the device more customizable out of the box.

    If they want to change the S Pen let's add an actual ink pen to it. How many times have you needed a pen didn't have one but had your phone?

    Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk
    Totally agree!
    07-16-2015 01:58 AM
  25. Mark Lipschitz's Avatar
    Who really wants to have to transfer their music collection from phone to phone? How does the cloud work for you when you are laying out on the beach or in a foreign country? As a productivity device I also save important documents that I need to work on I would like to pop the SD card out and put it in my computer later. No SD totally castrates the Note.
    07-16-2015 09:00 AM
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