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  1. Brutusf's Avatar
    Agree 100%! Samsung needs to stop copying Apple and do their own thing! Android in general is copying the iPad as well. Android tablets all used to be widescreen, but all the new ones coming out are 4:3, same as Apple. Android is on 80% of all phones shipped today worldwide! Why do they think they need to change their strategy to follow Apple? What is going on with Android?!
    08-07-2015 03:49 PM
  2. Brutusf's Avatar
    "You guys know there is a reason the Samsung didn't put a SD card in the S6 and the Note 5 right? It cause they are using UFS 2.0 for the phones main storage:"
    I don't believe that Samsung can't find a way to make these 2 work together side-by-side. I know it's a money grab. How else can you explain S6 pricing: $600 for 32GB; $700 for 64GB and $800 for 128GB. That's bull$&#% that you need to increase the phone $100 for each memory upgrade! I agree with a previous reviewer that said Samsung should just sell all phones with 128GB. But, they won't make as much money if they did. It's a money grab! The same thing Apple has been doing for years!!!
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    08-07-2015 03:54 PM
  3. Denis Bergeron's Avatar
    Here my 2 cents :

    first cent ) Samsung didn't have, with its new phone, any hardware advantage over any other Android seller


    second cent ) Google give update on his phone, more than 2 years after their initial sell. Last year I buy a brand new Note 3 (before the release of Note 4), my phone is not even 1 year old, and Samsung will not release 5.1 for the note 3. My next phone will be a Nexus phone.
    08-07-2015 04:15 PM
  4. syspry's Avatar
    Hasn't it ever occurred to any of the people who keep claiming that SD cards have a major impact on sales in the hundreds of SD card threads we have, that there's not a shred of evidence to support that claim?
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    08-07-2015 05:48 PM
  5. clevin's Avatar
    S6 is probably not selling as well as Samsung hoped. But it seems to be doing better than S5 for sure. For record, S4 sold around 40M for its life span and S5 is estimated to be well below that mark though samsung doesn't reveal exact figure on it.

    Initial projection of S6 was 50~60M depending on source. But now it's dialed back down to around 45M in latest market analysis. Quite less than samsung wanted but still it's decent figure if it pans out that way. It's ironic that S5 with every feature that S6 is criticized for missing was the phone that brought steep decline of sales for Samsung.
    Thanks

    With apple's iphone 6/6+, and samsung's reported miscalculation of market demand (more edge buyers than s6), It's hard to argue that new design is an objective failure.

    These companies don't listen to the suggestions from individual user, they only look at numbers. If we want something to change, we will just need to vote with wallet, and if our need is truly representative of a large user base, it will be reflected in sales and samsung will change.

    If not, well, there will always be LG G4, Note 4. Nobody really need the latest phone....
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    08-07-2015 06:22 PM
  6. anon8380037's Avatar


    These companies don't listen to the suggestions from individual user, they only look at numbers. If we want something to change, we will just need to vote with wallet, and if our need is truly representative of a large user base, it will be reflected in sales and samsung will change.
    Precisely. There is no connect between Samsung and an end user, it seems to me. It's not a 'normal' company. I haven't seen any evidence they relate to customers at all. It's a machine. If we don't like what comes out this week, they and we move on.
    08-07-2015 06:35 PM
  7. sbjforumman's Avatar
    This is what I'm thinking too.
    08-07-2015 06:39 PM
  8. anon8380037's Avatar
    This is what I'm thinking too.
    I'm sure it's not as simple as that. They have production targets to meet, to make their r&d and supply costs viable, but they only seem to communicate through their products, and let (or encourage) reviewers to like their products. And we do like their products, despite 3 years with the same Touchwiz homescreen from 2011 to the S5.

    They just freak me out sometimes, LOL, that's all I'm saying.
    08-07-2015 07:14 PM
  9. BlackZeppelin's Avatar
    Hasn't it ever occurred to any of the people who keep claiming that SD cards have a major impact on sales in the hundreds of SD card threads we have, that there's not a shred of evidence to support that claim?

    Ummm......let's see. The less than projected sales of the S6, One thing I believe is a REALLY bad mistake is to take away 3 features from the S5 all in one go. That is just waaaaaaay too radical all at once. You can quietly lose the waterproofing-no problem. Hardly a biggie. However, removing BOTH removable battery and SD card in one hit is a marketing and perception disaster. Oh yeah, and whilst you remove those 2 traditional features in one hit giving a one two punch to many loyal Samsung fans, you then go ahead and make the battery smaller than the previous model.

    Can you not see just how bad it looks from a marketing perspective? Especially to previous Samsung users? Your new phone loses waterproofing, loses dustproofing, loses the removable battery, the battery is now smaller than before and loses the SD card.

    Those are more than 3 whammies all together. Very bad. Couple that with Samsung not keeping up production with the one model that was a hit ( the Edge ), and couple that with Apple's monstrous success with the iphone 6 duos and finally couple that with all the competing cheaper rival Androids such as OnePlus, Xiaomi, Huawei etc, and you have the reasons for the Galaxy's S6 not meeting forecasts.

    But seriously, what egghead said to give people 3 shock whammies in one hit? The only whammy that should have been, so as not to cause too much shock to the overall system, is a non removable battery. That's it. The SD should have been retained and the battery capacity should have been at least 3000mah.

    Common sense to me suggests doing away with the removable battery for at least a number of Samsung models. Let people gradually get acclimatised to that. When that issue is over, then you can go ahead and get rid of the SD card.

    Samsung could have dropped the Snapdragon 808 in there. Come on ,why does every new phone have to have a newly developed processor? Heck, the Snapdragon 805 would have done virtually just as good a job. Snapdragon 808 would have been my choice, avoiding the overheating issues of the 810 and saving a fortune on research and development and manufacturing it yourself.

    But you can't go ahead and give traditional users 3 shocks to the system like that all in one go. I think if the S6 just had the Snapdragon 808, had a non removable at least 3000 mah battery, and say at least 64GB standard hard drive plus SD card, and if it wasn't priced quite as high as it was, it would have sold a lot better. By using the 808 processor, this is where you make enormous savings in research and manufacturings to give other things as standard such as minimum 64 GB hard drive.

    Show me a single person who would knock back my suggested version of the S6, especially if it was a little cheaper , because Samsung featured the Snapdragon 808 instead of its own costly, unnecessary 8 core processor. Sure, us tech interested Samsung users know and appreciate all the differences between one processor and another. The average Samsung user wouldn't know or care less, just like the average iphone user doesn't have a clue what processor is in their phone.
    08-07-2015 08:26 PM
  10. russel5150's Avatar
    I'm excited, if they use 7422 and big battery. Thing is I have never had Note, but there isn't any other alternatives on market with Stylus. I was also hoping for a better battery than 3000.
    I was comfortable with battery when it was rumored to be 4100, 3000 though, i dont think so. They are going to have to do some serious convincing that the note 5 uses a lot less power. The whole fast charge is great, but im not near an outlet most of my shift, and besides, why go from an all day phone to a sub par battery?

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    08-07-2015 08:30 PM
  11. russel5150's Avatar
    Glass back and smaller battery. The rest doesnt matter much to me.

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    08-07-2015 08:33 PM
  12. rushmore's Avatar
    Hasn't it ever occurred to any of the people who keep claiming that SD cards have a major impact on sales in the hundreds of SD card threads we have, that there's not a shred of evidence to support that claim?
    Just a few months of BS sell in numbers to sift through to find out. Will the media bite this time?

    Still find it funny some people indifferent to the loss of sd post with a certain level of incredulity in their posts to those that are concerned with missed features.

    Samsung unwittingly applauds and especially Apple, since they have the most to gain. JMO though.


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    08-07-2015 09:08 PM
  13. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    You guys know there is a reason the Samsung didn't put a SD card in the S6 and the Note 5 right? It cause they are using UFS 2.0 for the phones main storage:

    " As one of our readers rightly pointed out, there is another obstacle that would make it hard for Samsung to put UFS 2.0 storage and a microSD slot on a smartphone. SD cards and the eMMC 5.0 solution used on other flagships are able to use the same memory controller (the controller is what handles data transfer and communication with things like the processor), making it easier for them to exist in the same device. UFS 2.0, on the other hand, uses a new type of memory controller, and Samsung will have to find ways to interface the new controller with the one used on SD cards to be able to make them work together without affecting overall performance. It’s possible Samsung will find a solution to this in the future, but for now, it doesn’t look like a smartphone with UFS 2.0 storage will be featuring a microSD slot any time soon."

    Link to the article if intrested:

    Expecting the Galaxy Note 5 to have a microSD slot? Don’t - SamMobile
    I posted a thread earlier about this.

    It was my suspicion too.
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    08-07-2015 09:30 PM
  14. rushmore's Avatar
    I disagree
    I think its a good option, and there are pretty good ones that will secure your data and work better than leaving it in the phone
    The only thing I will agree with is the inconvenience of carrying another device and wont be able to charge, but its small so its not too bad for some purposes...here is one, has good reviews too

    Attachment 190261

    Amazon.com: Leef Access microSD Card Reader with microUSB 2.0 Connector for Android: Computers & Accessories
    Respect the view, but everything I put in the note is technically correct.

    OTG storage does not integrate well (how could it?) Especially music library.

    Can't charge with it plugged in.

    One more item to manage and potentially lose.

    Plugging and unplugging are the most electrically volatile points. Much higher risk than leaving in. Especially if you use it a lot.

    OTG is better than nothing. Absolutely. I use that exact adapter for my Note S 8.4. Also have a 128gb sd in the tablet

    I use the OTG with a 64gb for movies, but only watch several times per week. Have my comics and games roms loaded in the sd card. Some tunes too. I use those a lot and OTG is not anywhere near as practical with the tablet. Yet alone a phone that's used a lot more.

    Added: There are two versions of that adapter. One with an IMO annoying bright light and another without. I have the lighted one.
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    08-07-2015 09:48 PM
  15. rushmore's Avatar
    UFS can use SD with a different controller. The catch is the card memory is about 300ms slower. Considering media is what is put in an SD, the speed hit would not be noticed.

    Seems Samsung trying to emulate Apple's storage model is more plausible. They could have went with another controller and reduced their SKUs and inventory cost with one base model. Their intent seems more profit margin driven than a technical constraint.

    The end result though is the same regardless of reason. There ain't one in it and we'll see what the impact is to sales several months from now.
    08-07-2015 10:14 PM
  16. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    I won't be as excited as I was before, but I'll still be looking forward to it.

    I was bummed out by the fact that it won't be using an Exynos 7422 because that chip is an AIO chip, meaning that the CPU, GPU, RAM, flash storage and modem are all in a single chip, freeing up space for something like a bigger battery.
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    08-07-2015 10:43 PM
  17. syspry's Avatar
    Ummm......let's see. The less than projected sales of the S6, One thing I believe is a REALLY bad mistake is to take away 3 features from the S5 all in one go. That is just waaaaaaay too radical all at once. You can quietly lose the waterproofing-no problem. Hardly a biggie. However, removing BOTH removable battery and SD card in one hit is a marketing and perception disaster. Oh yeah, and whilst you remove those 2 traditional features in one hit giving a one two punch to many loyal Samsung fans, you then go ahead and make the battery smaller than the previous model.

    Can you not see just how bad it looks from a marketing perspective? Especially to previous Samsung users? Your new phone loses waterproofing, loses dustproofing, loses the removable battery, the battery is now smaller than before and loses the SD card.

    Those are more than 3 whammies all together. Very bad. Couple that with Samsung not keeping up production with the one model that was a hit ( the Edge ), and couple that with Apple's monstrous success with the iphone 6 duos and finally couple that with all the competing cheaper rival Androids such as OnePlus, Xiaomi, Huawei etc, and you have the reasons for the Galaxy's S6 not meeting forecasts.

    But seriously, what egghead said to give people 3 shock whammies in one hit? The only whammy that should have been, so as not to cause too much shock to the overall system, is a non removable battery. That's it. The SD should have been retained and the battery capacity should have been at least 3000mah.

    Common sense to me suggests doing away with the removable battery for at least a number of Samsung models. Let people gradually get acclimatised to that. When that issue is over, then you can go ahead and get rid of the SD card.

    Samsung could have dropped the Snapdragon 808 in there. Come on ,why does every new phone have to have a newly developed processor? Heck, the Snapdragon 805 would have done virtually just as good a job. Snapdragon 808 would have been my choice, avoiding the overheating issues of the 810 and saving a fortune on research and development and manufacturing it yourself.

    But you can't go ahead and give traditional users 3 shocks to the system like that all in one go. I think if the S6 just had the Snapdragon 808, had a non removable at least 3000 mah battery, and say at least 64GB standard hard drive plus SD card, and if it wasn't priced quite as high as it was, it would have sold a lot better. By using the 808 processor, this is where you make enormous savings in research and manufacturings to give other things as standard such as minimum 64 GB hard drive.

    Show me a single person who would knock back my suggested version of the S6, especially if it was a little cheaper , because Samsung featured the Snapdragon 808 instead of its own costly, unnecessary 8 core processor. Sure, us tech interested Samsung users know and appreciate all the differences between one processor and another. The average Samsung user wouldn't know or care less, just like the average iphone user doesn't have a clue what processor is in their phone.
    You still after all of that missed my main point so I'll repeat myself. Show me solid evidence that the existence of SD cards has affected Galaxy sales either way. There is none. There is not one single published document in existence that shows whether or not SD cards have an effect on Galaxy S sales. You're purely speculating but without any tangible evidence to back it.
    Just a few months of BS sell in numbers to sift through to find out. Will the media bite this time?

    Still find it funny some people indifferent to the loss of sd post with a certain level of incredulity in their posts to those that are concerned with missed features.

    Samsung unwittingly applauds and especially Apple, since they have the most to gain. JMO though.


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    See above.
    08-07-2015 11:49 PM
  18. BlackZeppelin's Avatar
    You still after all of that missed my main point so I'll repeat myself. Show me solid evidence that the existence of SD cards has affected Galaxy sales either way. There is none. There is not one single published document ............
    Well of course not. Who would you expect to go out and do an exhaustive study worldwide and find all those people that didn't buy a Galaxy S6 and bought something instead and asked them why they didn't buy an S6? It's a bit like the religious debate and saying "Prove that God doesn't exist".

    I didn't say the lack of an SD card on its own was the reason. I stated at least 4. Yes, lack of an SD card, along with a non removable battery and one that is smaller in capacity than the model it replaces is clearly one.

    The onslaught of the iphhone 6 was another. The emergence of high spec cheap Android alternative Chinese manufacturers is another. And the overpricing of the S6 is another. As I say, Samsung deliberately inflated the price to give it an air of flagship premium. Truly ridiculous.

    There you go. 5 reasons plus also the inability to produce the Edge version sufficiently. How's that?

    But taking off the SD plus putting in a non removable battery plus making it smaller would definately be a big factor for a lot of traditonal Samsung fans. And what do you know. Samsung is about to do it all over again with the Note 5 right down to making the battery smaller than the preceding model.

    Super happy fun times for all. Especially Apple. I swear it's almost like there's a mole in Samsung working for Apple, sabotaging their product lines.
    08-08-2015 12:11 AM
  19. Rukbat's Avatar
    No SD card? Non-removable battery? Locked bootloader on AT&T and Verizon? No wonder they keep posting losses. Some of the Chinese manufacturers are going to bury their cellphone division.

    HTC even lets you root and ROM without voiding the warranty. (Okay, so no removable battery, but that seems like a thing of the past now.)
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    08-08-2015 02:26 AM
  20. Gearu's Avatar
    There doesn't seem to be anything it can do or do better over the Note 3 either.

    Taking away the IR blaster for the Note 5 doesn't help.

    I'd like to know Samsung's answer to 'In what way is this phone much more advanced or better than the Note 3/4?' other than some superficial PR rubbish that we could expect them to say.

    Sure, more screen resolution, a better camera, metal body - but these things are a given. I want to know what it is that Samsung worked hard to create to put into the Note 5, apart from a new Exynos. Like all android phones, the menus will still lag and stutter. (I thought project butter was supposed to end that...)

    Phone advancement fronts change. Cameras, thin phones, processors, RAM, these things have already done their thing as spearhead features. There is a particular manufacturer (one of the chinese ones) still touting how thin their phones are, and don't realize they are embarrassing themselves.
    We need new.
    08-08-2015 02:28 AM
  21. BlackZeppelin's Avatar
    There doesn't seem to be anything it can do or do better over the Note 3 either.

    Taking away the IR blaster for the Note 5 doesn't help.
    Oh yeah I forgot about that. Well that's advancement isn't it? A smaller battery and no IR blaster. Great job.
    08-08-2015 02:53 AM
  22. Adawg1203's Avatar
    "You guys know there is a reason the Samsung didn't put a SD card in the S6 and the Note 5 right? It cause they are using UFS 2.0 for the phones main storage:"
    I don't believe that Samsung can't find a way to make these 2 work together side-by-side. I know it's a money grab. How else can you explain S6 pricing: $600 for 32GB; $700 for 64GB and $800 for 128GB. That's bull$&#% that you need to increase the phone $100 for each memory upgrade! I agree with a previous reviewer that said Samsung should just sell all phones with 128GB. But, they won't make as much money if they did. It's a money grab! The same thing Apple has been doing for years!!!
    What sense would it make for Samsung to sell all phones with 128GB? Force folks who will never use a fraction of that capacity, to pay more?

    The S-series and Note series devices are premium sets. Always have been. Just like the iphone always has been. If you disagree with the pricing then drop to mid tier and the lower tier segment as Samsung makes devices in those ranges as well with lower pricing. However, if your going to be looking at premium devices whether it's from Samsung or Apple or some other OEM, then expect to pay premium prices. It's that simple. If you think it's a money grab then look at the auto industry you'll find they do the SAME thing. It's business 101.
    08-08-2015 05:37 AM
  23. BlackZeppelin's Avatar
    What sense would it make for Samsung to sell all phones with 128GB? Force folks who will never use a fraction of that capacity, to pay more?

    The S-series and Note series devices are premium sets. Always have been. Just like the iphone always has been. If you disagree with the pricing then drop to mid tier and the lower tier segment as Samsung makes devices in those ranges as well with lower pricing. However, if your going to be looking at premium devices whether it's from Samsung or Apple or some other OEM, then expect to pay premium prices. It's that simple. If you think it's a money grab then look at the auto industry you'll find they do the SAME thing. It's business 101.
    My suggestion is that if you're not going to have an SD card, then yeah, 128 GB standard to differentiate itself from Apple. If you do have an SD card, then perhaps 64 GB plus SD. Money grabbing is all good and well if you can afford to like Apple can because it is currently selling monstrously and can pretty well do as it pleases. When you are getting slaughtered in the premium end by Apple and losing sales in the bottom end to Chinese brands then you need to desperately change direction. I am not a marketing person or business person. I am just a consumer but as I look around I see the obvious need to distinguish yourself from Apple and the cheaper Chinese brands by offering very high value for money in its flagship models. With the S6, clearly being the most technologically advanced is not the answer. As I said before, the killer iphones make do with a mere HD display, no wireless charging, no IR blaster, 8MP cameras etc.

    Samsung is not in the same position as Apple. I for one don't one to see Samsung go down like Nokia or Blackberry. Clearly their current strategies at the opposite ends, Galaxy S5 and S6 are not working. Make no mistake, if Samsung continues to lose profits every quarter like they have done like 5 now in row, they will go down the Nokia/Blackberry road.

    On another note, pardon the pun, I think it is appalling if it is true that the Note 5 will have no IR blaster. That is a moronic executive decision and is reprehensible. If I was looking to upgrade now, on that alone I would give the Note 5 a miss because I love my IR blaster on my Galaxy S5. What clueless person at Samsung approved of that? To your shame.

    I would still love to be buying Samsung phones in 5yrs from now. At the moment, they are in a dire situation. Sure they still tens of millions of phones but profits are steadily falling. Apple shows no sign of relenting and competition from cheaper manufacturers will increase. I don't want Samsung to relinquish one day their mobile division and stick to selling TV's and washing machines.

    As an aside, look at Windows mobile. Most of their phones aren't moving well except one-the Lumia 530. That phone is killing it in the low end. Why? Extremely high value for money. A budget phone that has features no other phone in that price range is matching including a 5MP front camera. This is what I am suggesting for Samsung Galaxy and Note flagships. Value for money that Apple will not match in the high end. And value for money that makes it worth spending three hundred dollars more over a OnePlus or Huawei etc to get desirable features. As I keep on saying, keep technical innovations steady and regular on a tightly controlled budget. Make savings elsewhere like buying processors and give killer features no one else offers as standard. That is my suggestion for Samsung to recover and be number 1 again.

    I also suggest opening up a formal middle range line. Say something like Galaxy M, for midrange. Galaxy M could be phones composed of former models mashed up together being directly priced in the OnePlus, Huawei range etc. And make them less conservative and business like, such as the Galaxy S and Note series, and more casual and funky with a range of brightly colored backs, like Windows phone does. For eg, a Galaxy M phone could have the camera from the Galaxy S5, the Note 4 processor, 32 GB standard with SD card. Plus a range of 5 bright and cool back colors in an aluminium back. The screen would be full HD. This is another suggestion I feel would be well worthwhile.
    08-08-2015 06:07 AM
  24. gilbert khayat's Avatar
    I have tried almost every note and honestly i decided not to buy Samsung devices anymore for two reasons.

    1. The day the device is released is already outdated. Note 4 came out and it took 7 months to get Android L. Now Note 5 is going to be out while Android M is ready to go.

    2. Very poor Customer service.

    I just got my Nexus 6 and I am enjoying so much the simple OS.

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    08-08-2015 06:56 AM
  25. Adawg1203's Avatar
    There doesn't seem to be anything it can do or do better over the Note 3 either.

    Taking away the IR blaster for the Note 5 doesn't help.

    I'd like to know Samsung's answer to 'In what way is this phone much more advanced or better than the Note 3/4?' other than some superficial PR rubbish that we could expect them to say.

    Sure, more screen resolution, a better camera, metal body - but these things are a given. I want to know what it is that Samsung worked hard to create to put into the Note 5, apart from a new Exynos. Like all android phones, the menus will still lag and stutter. (I thought project butter was supposed to end that...)

    Phone advancement fronts change. Cameras, thin phones, processors, RAM, these things have already done their thing as spearhead features. There is a particular manufacturer (one of the chinese ones) still touting how thin their phones are, and don't realize they are embarrassing themselves.
    We need new.
    Design and software refinement. That's what Samsung focused on. Device hardware and technology have essentially caught up with each other. Incremental harware improvements should be everyones expectation these days.

    Contrary to many people's opinion the S6 is the best galaxy S-series device Samsung has ever launched. Admittedly, underestimating the S6 edge appeal was a blunder, however, from design, to the camera, software features, and in house processor it was a win. I do believe the choice in battery size was a miss.

    The Note 5 will be a strong addition in the Samsung lineup. It will be an improved Note versus previous Note's and will not simply just be on par with the previous versions. I'm happy with my Note 3&4, but the Note 5 will be a device worthy of an upgrade. Perhaps not from a note 4 if still under a contract, but certainly from a previous model for anyone looking to purchase something new.

    Folks can continue to talk about Samsung's demise as I guess it makes for good forum talk. The thing is, they sell more devices than anyone on the market including Apple.

    Other folks speak to samsung's sales decline. I say look at HTC and LG also, as they are not necessarily rolling in the dough either. The chinese makers are hurting these companies with their cheaper offerings (good specs) and is posing a problem. Meanwhile, Apple continues to do well however even their sales aren't necessarily hitting targets.

    If naysayers look at things holistically I think they will see sd slots and sealed batteries aren't the problem. But rather price pressure (chineese oem's) and increased competition in the marketplace is.
    08-08-2015 07:08 AM
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