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  1. Adawg1203's Avatar
    Yes, paying more for less storage and accessing the cloud with tiny data caps or public unsecure wifi is change that is inevtible. Or, carry an OTG adapter around to perhaps lose that houses media that does not integrate very well with media apps.

    That's change we can believe in!

    I respect people that could care less about cards, but find it interesting in regards to the incredulity that is apparent by some of them. There would be a more level reflection if reasonably priced 256gb devices were offered

    If that is part of the reflection I concur
    You mention public unsecured wifi a lot. Am I missing a boom in the industry? Is there really a lot of folks out there who use it? I've never so now im curious nor do I see the logic behind using public wifi.
    08-12-2015 05:27 AM
  2. monsieurms's Avatar
    You mention public unsecured wifi a lot. Am I missing a boom in the industry? Is there really a lot of folks out there who use it? I've never so now im curious nor do I see the logic behind using public wifi.
    Last year I was in Paris. There'd be people showing up just to hang outside of Starbucks and use some free wi-fi. Or, every coffee shop you pass now is obliged to offer free wi-fi. In various places, you show up as a tourist in zones that are free wi-fi zones and people are hanging out with laptops and what not. For tourists, students and low income residents and others who just need a connection, it is more and more common.
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    08-12-2015 05:33 AM
  3. tadpoles's Avatar
    In about a year or so I'm going to look back at threads like this with odd fascination.

    How peeps hung on for dear life against changes in the industry that were inevitable.
    A year? I'm looking at them with odd fascination now.



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    08-12-2015 05:37 AM
  4. anon8380037's Avatar
    Well, this is the first year it has really hit hard with those attuned to these features.

    People have invested a lot of time, faith, developed regular practices (huh? well daily routines then); and invested money in storage, chargers and accessories over several devices in several years.

    Now the manufacturers R&D tech wizards / Google have either looked to change technology purely to have another 'must have' feature (design led/glass, sealed devices with faster, larger ufs storage) that people need to buy and so increase profits and reduce manufacturing, or technology is moving this way logically in line with new discoveries/materials/innovations, or both.

    <×× WARNING ××>

    ridiculous analogy alert ....

    <×× WARNING ××>

    So - these market leading police (cough) have stepped into the middle of the one lane road many of us had been travelling on for miles and miles, held up a stop sign and said you can go no further, you must reverse all the way back to the fork where this road started, refill your tanks at your own expense, and take a different road now which will become smoother over the years but you will have to pay a new toll for a while.

    And before even that you have to leave all your baggage here because

    - oh I give up!

    I had a promising writing career beckoning before this post.
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    08-12-2015 07:34 AM
  5. rushmore's Avatar
    You mention public unsecured wifi a lot. Am I missing a boom in the industry? Is there really a lot of folks out there who use it? I've never so now im curious nor do I see the logic behind using public wifi.
    If you do not want to burn your data cap accessing your own content when away from home, you would likely be out in public or businesses that use it. Most people do not understand VPN that can help protect, so will use straight wifi connections.
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    08-12-2015 07:45 AM
  6. rushmore's Avatar
    Well, this is the first year it has really hit hard with those attuned to these features.

    People have invested a lot of time, faith, developed regular practices (huh? well daily routines then); and invested money in storage, chargers and accessories over several devices in several years.

    Now the manufacturers R&D tech wizards / Google have either looked to change technology purely to have another 'must have' feature (design led/glass, sealed devices with faster, larger ufs storage) that people need to buy and so increase profits and reduce manufacturing, or technology is moving this way logically in line with new discoveries/materials/innovations, or both.

    <××WARNING××>

    ridiculous analogy follows....

    <××WARNING××>

    So - these market leading police (cough) have stepped into the middle of the one lane road many of us had been travelling on for miles and miles, held up a stop sign and said you can go no further, you must reverse all the way back to the fork where this road started, refill your tanks at your own expense, and take a different road now which will become smoother over the years but you will have to pay a new toll for a while.

    And before even that you have to leave all your baggage here because

    - oh I give up!

    I had a promising writing career beckoning before this post.
    The Incredulity Police! You will NOT have your sd and LIKE it!
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    08-12-2015 07:50 AM
  7. pdub73's Avatar
    Idk My Iphone friends seem pretty happy Never Ever! having an SD card or removable battery...I dont see the big deal to be honest...now that the phones are practically identical the real question is... are you Android or IOS and you Apple or Samsung...or LG cuz LG G4 is an awsome phone in its own right...but it's NOT and Note...and I use my S-Pen more than any of the other features we're all worried about losing...so I'm good...just my opinion.
    08-12-2015 08:00 AM
  8. bigbuc's Avatar
    I'm rural. I've retired to a place that my Internet choices are at&t wireless or satellite.
    so about half of my updates are done on public wifi. I don't think I've ever got all of my photos uploaded to Google photos or Amazon prime... I do backup to my home wifi nas (no internet, just printers, nas, computers).
    08-12-2015 08:55 AM
  9. radicchio's Avatar
    I've been watching the discussion about the loss of the SD card storage and removable battery from a fairly neutral position. I've been watching the Samsung Note line for a while and wanting to get one. I admit I was disappointed when I started reading reports that the removable battery and SD card would not be included with the Note 5---but not as unhappy as those who have been using both features for some time and have come to rely on having them.

    Depending on what we learn tomorrow, I'm willing to give the Note 5 a chance. However, I can understand the disappointment for those who have come to rely on the SD card and extra battery. I'll try my hand at a real-life analogy.

    For many years I was happy with my cable TV's modest level service with analog technology. Then came the big changeover to digital. As the date for the changeover approached, I read a lot of information about what to expect. I really did not want to have to add a cable box---because I didn't want those extra monthly charges, but also due to the extra clutter around the TV and because I didn't want yet another remote to deal with. So when I read that if I got a cable ready TV with QAM no box would be needed for my level of service, I was delighted. Since my TV at that time was quite old, I didn't mind buying another TV with the QAM tuner. That worked fine for a few months until the cable company announced that they would now be scrambling all the channels, even those on the lower tier offerings (which I used happily). Did I understand why the cable company was doing this? Yes! Did I like it? Absolutely not!! Now we have to have a box for each TV and have to pay a monthly fee for those boxes to use on our various TVs. Not having to deal with or pay for the boxes used to be an advantage of cable TV over satellite TV, but no more. To me, that corresponds with how people who have been happily using the Note series phones for a while must feel about the Note 5.

    I know some of you are thinking, "But you have so much better signal with digital, not to mention the advantage of HDTV!!! First, my signal is not better, IMHO---if there is the slightest problem, you lose the signal all together and we also have problems when the weather gets very hot. Second, I'm not a big TV watcher---although I do like to see sports---so I've never cared about HDTV.

    At the same time, I don't rant about the cable company and what it should have done. As negatively as many people view the company (Comcast), they still use their services and Comcast continues to profit. I accept (even if I don't like it) that companies exist to make a profit and listen to customer input only to the extent that they HAVE to---otherwise decisions are made based on what will increase their bottom line.

    So, while I sympathize and even agree somewhat with those who are upset to see the SD card and removable battery disappear, I don't expect Samsung to really care or be affected by the negative reactions.
    08-12-2015 10:30 AM
  10. dsignori's Avatar
    I... I accept (even if I don't like it) that companies exist to make a profit and listen to customer input only to the extent that they HAVE to---otherwise decisions are made based on what will increase their bottom line.

    So, while I sympathize and even agree somewhat with those who are upset to see the SD card and removable battery disappear, I don't expect Samsung to really care or be affected by the negative reactions.

    I think all companies make those decisions. With regard to the SD card and storage though - Many normal customers can only get 32gb versions (many carriers only carry that) and those 32GB version have 23 GB of real space total for all their apps and photos and videos. If (when) they start to run out of space on their phone, Samsung will be very affected by negative reactions IMO...
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    08-12-2015 10:48 AM
  11. tadpoles's Avatar
    At Raddichio, those of us Note owners that are genuinely heartbroken (I'm not quite in that crowd) over the loss of takeoutable (smile) battery and card will learn to live and be just fine. It'll take some getting used and Samsung knows this. In a couple of years (if not sooner) we'll have adjusted and be back to loving what the Note can do again. It may save me some money this year as I might not want to abandon my Note 4 just yet. Perhaps, though, perhaps, the Note 5 will have some niftiness that my Note 4 lacks. We'll see tomorrow.


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    08-12-2015 10:51 AM
  12. Preach2k's Avatar
    For those of us that use our Notes for business the MicroSD card removed is a problem for some of us. We can not use the Cloud for Business and High Risk information. Must use MicroSD. Those that use it for just a phone ,and social networking. Then they would not have an issue with MicroSD missing. Like I said earlier I have an 128GB card full off movies and another 128GB for work information. All Encrypted.

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    08-12-2015 11:05 AM
  13. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    For those of us that use our Notes for business the MicroSD card removed is a problem for some of us. We can not use the Cloud for Business and High Risk information. Must use MicroSD. Those that use it for just a phone ,and social networking. Then they would not have an issue with MicroSD missing. Like I said earlier I have an 128GB card full off movies and another 128GB for work information. All Encrypted.

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    Unless you are using KNOX, I can understand this
    But I don't know why people are so scared of using the cloud. People think that anyone will be able to access your information.
    We use Dropbox business in our law firm and it has worked flawlessly for us. Makes everything so much easier, and nothing has happened to the information.

    I wouldn't suggest keeping 128GB full of work information on a MicroSD card because it can easily be stolen, lost, or damaged. I think thats worst than saving it on the cloud.
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    08-12-2015 11:28 AM
  14. mclarryjr's Avatar
    I'm a small business owner and have been storing all my files on Onedrive, Drop Box, and Google Drive for the last 10+ years. After losing all my files when my work desktop died I decided to go to the cloud. I do have a server at my office where I store payroll, personnel, and Quicken files for a little added security. I've never had any issues with any of my cloud services and rather enjoy being able to access those files from any location I happen to be at.
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    08-12-2015 12:23 PM
  15. jefmoody's Avatar
    I honestly don't see the big problem about the Note losing the SD function and removable battery. Before I went to the iPhone 4, I had the Motorola Droid X and the Samsung Fascinate and I always lost or misplaced my SD cards. I have the iPhone 6+ now with the 128GB feature. I have over 3,700+ photos, 140+ videos, 4 movies and 350+ songs and I'm like 30%-35% from reaching the maximum capacity.

    Also with the in closed battery not only is Samsung going in this direction but other companies are too such as HTC, Motorola, Apple, and Windows. LG will soon follow suit and I think a lot of people should just accept that.
    I'll not accept it nor will I stand down...What a loser mentality that is! It doesn't matter to me if some don't understand why. I will have what I want and will not be forced to lose features important to me. I don't need to pay extra for 128 Gigs on the phone when my Class 10 Micro SD moves from phone to phone (or even a tablet, laptop or PC - my choice). You can spend your money on whatever you want and I will exercise my right to do the same!
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    08-12-2015 12:58 PM
  16. deparson's Avatar
    I'm a small business owner and have been storing all my files on Onedrive, Drop Box, and Google Drive for the last 10+ years. After losing all my files when my work desktop died I decided to go to the cloud. I do have a server at my office where I store payroll, personnel, and Quicken files for a little added security. I've never had any issues with any of my cloud services and rather enjoy being able to access those files from any location I happen to be at.
    And, the interesting bit is that if you practice good security for your cloud storage solutions they are going to be much more secure than even a well managed local computer. And vastly more reliable.
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    08-12-2015 01:14 PM
  17. deparson's Avatar
    For those of us that use our Notes for business the MicroSD card removed is a problem for some of us. We can not use the Cloud for Business and High Risk information. Must use MicroSD. Those that use it for just a phone ,and social networking. Then they would not have an issue with MicroSD missing. Like I said earlier I have an 128GB card full off movies and another 128GB for work information. All Encrypted.

    Sent from my GNOTE4 using Tapatalk
    Most, if not all, businesses that deal in "high risk" information prohibit it from being stored on any consumer grade removable media. Having it on your SD card in a phone you carry around (even if encrypted) is not, as they say, a best practice And, at many firms, it will get you fired.
    08-12-2015 01:21 PM
  18. tadpoles's Avatar
    I'll not accept it nor will I stand down...What a loser mentality that is! It doesn't matter to me if some don't understand why. I will have what I want and will not be forced to lose features important to me. I don't need to pay extra for 128 Gigs on the phone when my Class 10 Micro SD moves from phone to phone (or even a tablet, laptop or PC - my choice). You can spend your money on whatever you want and I will exercise my right to do the same!
    You can only fight it for so long. If all OEMs stop producing phones with removable batteries and storage you can either adapt or never get a new phone.


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    08-12-2015 01:31 PM
  19. rushmore's Avatar
    At Raddichio, those of us Note owners that are genuinely heartbroken (I'm not quite in that crowd) over the loss of takeoutable (smile) battery and card will learn to live and be just fine. It'll take some getting used and Samsung knows this. In a couple of years (if not sooner) we'll have adjusted and be back to loving what the Note can do again. It may save me some money this year as I might not want to abandon my Note 4 just yet. Perhaps, though, perhaps, the Note 5 will have some niftiness that my Note 4 lacks. We'll see tomorrow.


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    The storage seems the main issue. There should be 256gb options for people that does not require a second mortgage
    08-12-2015 01:31 PM
  20. tadpoles's Avatar
    The storage seems the main issue. There should be 256gb options for people that does not require a second mortgage
    There just may be a 256GB option one day just like Apple has a $10,000 Apple watch for those that want it. I can't imagine paying, what, $1,100+ for a 256GB phone but some might be fine with that. TBH, 64-128GB would be more than adequate for my uses.


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    08-12-2015 01:35 PM
  21. rushmore's Avatar
    And, the interesting bit is that if you practice good security for your cloud storage solutions they are going to be much more secure than even a well managed local computer. And vastly more reliable.
    No comparison to local storage availability. Cloud requires a data connection and uses more battery. Nice as an option, but not as practical. Have carriers offer unlimited data again so people are not relying on public WiFi or burning their criminally overpriced data caps

    I wonder if folks appreciate those caps and their presenting to the FCC is years old and based on 2G, 2.5G and some amount of 3G aggregate usage history?

    Well before the commonality of the cloud, LTE and hidef content the carriers and content providers push now.
    08-12-2015 01:39 PM
  22. clasi86's Avatar
    Hello, I agree with you. I didn`t understand the complain about the SD card, as I didn`t understand why some people are saying they will not buy the Note 5 because of the non removable battery. I own a phone with non removable battery and I can say I like the design of such phones more then I like the old ones. We are in a continue development, so we must understand why phones and technology are changing that much. Instead of wasting time asking why, we could find solutions how to get used with the new apps and devices.
    08-12-2015 01:43 PM
  23. dcstuntman's Avatar
    I'll not accept it nor will I stand down...What a loser mentality that is! It doesn't matter to me if some don't understand why. I will have what I want and will not be forced to lose features important to me. I don't need to pay extra for 128 Gigs on the phone when my Class 10 Micro SD moves from phone to phone (or even a tablet, laptop or PC - my choice). You can spend your money on whatever you want and I will exercise my right to do the same!
    Agreed... I find it kind of disturbing how many people are just in the camp of 'shut up and take it.' Especially those who don't want or see the need for removable sd/battery/ir/fingerprint/forward facing camera <insert name of technology you don't personally use here>. There are plenty of technologies included in devices I own that I never use... but I'll grant that others deem important. That's fine with me.

    I also see how others want a "nice" looking device. Though we all have our different definitions of nice. To me a nice looking engine in a car is one that is laid out well and relatively easy to access to components to be modified, tweaked or upgraded; but to each their own.

    Plus, I can see how sealed battery and no SD might be actually be useful if we're talking about a waterproof device or actually had some real world tangible benefit, but I've yet to see it being worth the tradeoff. Much of the SD slowdown stuff, I believe, is FUD... especially since most aren't talking about needing to run apps from SD card... most simply want external storage. So are we saying usb-otg will no longer work with these devices? How about the wi-fi tethering usb sticks? I'm not saying I have all the answers here, but the engineering geniuses at these companies shouldn't have to search too hard to find a way to get on board removable/upgradable storage to work.

    In short, I'm not seeing why so many people are so bent on shooting down anyone who uses the device differently than they do. And the concessions they would make for HAVING those features (basically you don't want SD card = don't use one; you don't want to swap battery = don't) are so minor as to be laughable. Most of us using SD and removable battery aren't tech neophytes... instead, may actually be ones that HEAVILY use tech (even cloud services and external battery packs and the s-pen which many Note users are apparently surprised exists.) Yet many of us also clearly see the other side doesn't have all the answers either. We don't need tutorials on how to use cloud services... cause guess what, I've got 25gb with Google (+ multiple accounts), 25gb dropbox, similar storage across BOX, OneDrive and other accounts. All of which I use regularly and rely on... I still like the option of having an SD card.

    Will my voice shape the future of Samsung's decisions? Perhaps (and quite likely) not. But I can guarantee that that it won't if I say nothing or blindly keep buying it because its the new Android 'hotness.' (And yes, I have politely but firmly contacted Samsung through various support channels... I'm not just spouting in the forums.) Again, I don't expect anything, but I have told them directly why I will not be purchasing the Note5 and am actively investigating other options outside of Samsung's line. Companies also have the tendency to think 'if nobody's complaining everything must be fine'.

    I left this discussion awhile ago because its like talking to a wall. But wanted to let you know others do feel the same way... I've just already stated my case several times now (and don't feel the need to keep seeing post after post from the same people saying 'Use the cloud moron'; maybe not quite so harshly - but that's the way it feels sometimes.)

    I've stated what I want... I already use the cloud. I'm willing to walk away from Samsung should they continue down this course.... I'm even considering giving them another year to get it right (in my eyes.) To where? Anywhere... yes even others that have sealed battery and no SD card - Even Apple if I feel they fill a niche in some regard that I prefer... point is Samsung had my money all set aside ready to go - now they've lost it... I will abandon them if I feel they've abandoned me as a user. Argue all you want that this is where the market's going... .
    08-12-2015 01:49 PM
  24. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    No comparison to local storage availability. Cloud requires a data connection and uses more battery. Nice as an option, but not as practical. Have carriers offer unlimited data again so people are not relying on public WiFi or burning their criminally overpriced data caps

    I wonder if folks appreciate those caps and their presenting to the FCC is years old and based on 2G, 2.5G and some amount of 3G aggregate usage history?

    Well before the commonality of the cloud, LTE and hidef content the carriers and content providers push now.
    I am really upset that carriers removed unlimited data. Shows all they care about is money.
    I would rather carriers throttle my unlimited data than giving me 10GB of shared data and charging me again if I go over.

    As for local storage, I think that Samsung's EMMC flash storage is faster and probably better than MicroSD card, but me personally, I prefer not to save anything on the phone's local storage because I think it makes the phone run slower. I think manufacturers will want to start implementing MicroSD cards back into their phones once they make MicroSD cards that are much more faster and crash less...my guess
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    08-12-2015 01:55 PM
  25. anon(394005)'s Avatar
    You can only fight it for so long. If all OEMs stop producing phones with removable batteries and storage you can either adapt or never get a new phone.


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    That's a BIG "If"! As such, I'll consider how (and whether) to cross that bridge when I come to it, assuming it ever happens. In the meantime it's like my Verizon grandfathered unlimited data; I'll hang on to it as long as possible until it's no longer an option and my only recourse is to choose something else. In other words, we each need to decide what's worth fighting for and push back regardless of the perceived inevitably.
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    08-12-2015 01:56 PM
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