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  1. Gary Slatter's Avatar
    looking for a update for my xperia z2. europe doesnt even get the note option! Removal of sd card is a killer for me, that and the fact the s6+ is not waterproof!

    i had a note 1 which i loved before defecting to sony xperias. why does samsung think that anybody who wants a iphone clone doesnt already own one.
    08-16-2015 06:26 AM
  2. monsieurms's Avatar
    Samsung isn't stupid. They most likely did studies showing how many people would not buy a note 5 because of the sd card, and found it was acceptably low
    Possibly. But keep this in mind. We're not talking here about the entire universe of users. First, let's narrow it down to just Android. And now, let's just talk about (A) Samsung users; and THEN just for (B) a Note line. At each level, those are different users.

    I have no proof, either, but I'm willing to bet that that last group as a whole is far more inclined to want high-end features that differentiated Samsung from others---because that's why a lot of us came to Samsung in the first place. To a considerable extent, they are now taking away some of the main reasons for which we came to Samsung. Why should we stay? After all, who told us these things were great things that made Samsung a great company? A: Samsung. Hmmm.

    In the overall universe, we're a smaller subset of reality. In Samsung's universe, I suspect this is an important demographic, even if still a minority. Which is to say, you don't have to think that Samsung's sales will collapse to think this will nonetheless have an effect. Given all the pressures that Samsung is under (spotlighted http://www.cnet.com/news/why-samsung...tag=CAD590a51e ), they don't have to lose 50% of their sales for this to be meaningful. If they lose 10-15% of sales they could've made--in this marketplace, with what is happening of late, that really matters.

    It's hard to measure sales you "could've made," and I don't frankly think we will see the entire consequence of this for at least another year until we see patterns and trends. Lots of people are on contracts. Lots of people don't upgrade every year any more. Let's see what happens when the "6" comes out if they maintain this policy. I know I won't buy it no matter what else it has. I'll keep the 4 or I'll see what LG and Moto are offering.

    I also don't assume that some "research" they've done is necessarily the be-all and end-all. How did they do it? What were the parameters? Did they ignore results arrogantly, "well, we're Samsung, if we do this everyone will like it." Did they concentrate on just Note users? I dunno---but it wouldn't be the first time in history that corporations made monumental misjudgments and read the market wrong.
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    08-16-2015 07:10 AM
  3. cybertec69's Avatar
    I will stick with my Note 4.



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    08-16-2015 07:33 AM
  4. Aquila's Avatar
    I said this as the quote of the day 2 years ago today and it seemed appropriate for here in 2015:

    8/16/2013 Quote of the Day:


    Vocal tech blog commentors are not representative of "most" consumers by any means. Estimate their impact as approximately 1% of the mainstream and you're giving them too much credit. The average consumer is the little old lady calling Best Buy to find out how to get their photos to be printed at the local pharmacy.
    08-16-2015 09:09 AM
  5. monsieurms's Avatar
    I said this as the quote of the day 2 years ago today and it seemed appropriate for here in 2015:

    8/16/2013 Quote of the Day:
    Vocal tech blog commentors are not representative of "most" consumers by any means. Estimate their impact as approximately 1% of the mainstream and you're giving them too much credit. The average consumer is the little old lady calling Best Buy to find out how to get their photos to be printed at the local pharmacy.
    Ok, that's a good one. I admit I laughed. I admit it's also true to a considerable extent, as I remind myself in other specialty and geeky fields as well. But you have to define your user groups, as I alluded to in my last post. WE're not talking about the "mainstream" or the "entire universe" of users here. That is, let's take that little old lady. Does she sound like someone who would have bought the Note 4 or 5 in the first place? Is the "mainstream" the same group as people who buy $800 phones and talk like they upgrade them every year? The "whole universe" is not really the same as "Note users." Considering the way Samsung's margins have bled from lower priced competition, Note users are not truly reflective of the "mainstream" as a group. We're not the McDonald's customers, in other words.
    08-16-2015 09:20 AM
  6. Aquila's Avatar
    Ok, that's a good one. I admit I laughed. I admit it's also true to a considerable extent, as I remind myself in other specialty and geeky fields as well. But you have to define your user groups, as I alluded to in my last post. WE're not talking about the "mainstream" or the "entire universe" of users here. That is, let's take that little old lady. Does she sound like someone who would have bought the Note 4 or 5 in the first place? Is the "mainstream" the same group as people who buy $800 phones and talk like they upgrade them every year? The "whole universe" is not really the same as "Note users." Considering the way Samsung's margins have bled from lower priced competition, Note users are not truly reflective of the "mainstream" as a group. We're not the McDonald's customers, in other words.
    Yup, I'm not arguing against your point - I just saw this come up on my facebook feed as something I posted this day in 2013 and thought it fairly on point for many discussions that we have here. I agree with you that the subset that is interested in the Note has traditionally been a different group of folks than were interested in Moto or iPhones or even the S6 - and I actually think this is exactly what Samsung thought too and now they are trying to grab up the folks that normally wouldn't have considered this line of theirs.
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    08-16-2015 09:26 AM
  7. cybertec69's Avatar
    The Note 5 will sell, just not the numbers that it would have. This is what happened, Samsung thought the Galaxy S6 would be flying off the shelves, which it hasn't, it has sold well but not the numbers that Samsung or the analysts expected "too expensive and less options from it's predecessor", now they are lowering the prices of the S6 hoping to clear up some inventory. The whole premise of the Note 5 and why Samsung went the route of the S6 in design and features "besides the Note stylus", is because Samsung was under the impression that the S6's success "which has not been the case" would also follow for it's Note 5, this Note 5 design was already finalized around the time the S6 went on sale, even before that, these decisions are not made in one month's time, the decision was made close to a year ago, maybe even sooner. Will the Note 5 sell, sure it will, everything shiny and new sells, to an extend. Samsung's margins in the mobile sector have been taking a hit, this early release of the Note 5 just shows they are trying to sell as many units are possible before Apple comes out with their iPhone 6s+. The Note 5 needed a minimum of 4000 milliamp battery, and micro SD expansion slot, if they had done that they probably would not have been able to keep up with the demand. But that's just me, heck what do I know.

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    08-16-2015 09:56 AM
  8. monsieurms's Avatar
    The Note 5 will sell, just not the numbers that it would have.
    There is some talk now that the Note line itself may be headed for obsolescence---that it is converging too much with S line and there's the Edge line as more of a high-end alternative with a real difference. I guess we'll see. But I wouldn't be completely shocked if we find out that the Note 6 is the last Note.
    08-16-2015 10:00 AM
  9. syspry's Avatar
    I can offer proof that I need them. I made no further claims about minorities/majorities. So the burden of proof is entirely on those who make claims. That has been the way it works since Aristoteles' times and is a founding principle of modern science
    Since you appear to have adopted a contrary stance to all of those posts, am I to believe you have no opinion on the matter yourself then, absolving you of any responsibility to provide opposing data to their claims? If that's the case and your stance is neutral, and going by your own logic why are you not also taking issue with posters who are claiming otherwise and asking them to support their claims too?
    08-16-2015 10:11 AM
  10. rushmore's Avatar
    There is some talk now that the Note line itself may be headed for obsolescence---that it is converging too much with S line and there's the Edge line as more of a high-end alternative with a real difference. I guess we'll see. But I wouldn't be completely shocked if we find out that the Note 6 is the last Note.
    Multiple tech sites report Samsung is focusing must if their resources on the Edge. One resason is it is harder to mod and use the Edge screen and forces people to use Samsung apps due to proprietary design of Edge display and software integration.

    If they are basing it on sales that seems nuts. It did have a little higher demand, but still a fraction of the S6. My guess is that is their direction on differentiation. Desperation?
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    08-16-2015 10:19 AM
  11. johnmcd348's Avatar
    I came to Samsung, and Android OS, because of the Note2 device. Prior to that, I was a Windows Phone user using an HTC Arrive and the HTC Touch Pro2 prior to that. Before those phones, I carried a separate phone and my (HTC built) Dell Axim x51V and was happy with that combination for nearly 6 years because the Technology that was built then, still couldn't compete with the smartphone technology that was around at the time. It wasn't until 2009 that I came into the smartphone market and progressed quickly through the Windows phones and then in 2012, came over to the Note2 when it first came out.

    I'm one of those people who use their phones for the purposes they were built for and look for features I want in a phone. For me, the stylus is invaluable and I look for options in that area with every mobile platform I use. I really don't care that much about what the Tech Writers have to say about the devices, other than what it does or doesn't do.
    08-16-2015 10:52 AM
  12. dsignori's Avatar
    Multiple tech sites report Samsung is focusing must if their resources on the Edge. One resason is it is harder to mod and use the Edge screen and forces people to use Samsung apps due to proprietary design of Edge display and software integration.

    ..
    Hmm. If they are focusing resources on the Edge, I'm not sure I find that to be a likely reason. I'm not sure it gets any more proprietary than the Note S Pen and S Pen software on the Note line.
    08-16-2015 12:35 PM
  13. cybertec69's Avatar
    I was just at best buy, the Note 4 to me looks better than the Note 5, it just looks more professional, what was Samsung thinking. I told the guy that Samsung is losing touch with reality, I told him I am not interested in jewelry bling when purchasing a smartphone, especially a Note series phone.

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    08-16-2015 12:52 PM
  14. Ry's Avatar
    Multiple tech sites report Samsung is focusing must if their resources on the Edge. One resason is it is harder to mod and use the Edge screen and forces people to use Samsung apps due to proprietary design of Edge display and software integration.

    If they are basing it on sales that seems nuts. It did have a little higher demand, but still a fraction of the S6. My guess is that is their direction on differentiation. Desperation?
    Is there an SDK available to add edge functionality?

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    08-16-2015 01:48 PM
  15. calicocat2010's Avatar
    I was just at best buy, the Note 4 to me looks better than the Note 5, it just looks more professional, what was Samsung thinking. I told the guy that Samsung is losing touch with reality, I told him I am not interested in jewelry bling when purchasing a smartphone, especially a Note series phone.

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    Ok...well then YOU don't have to get it. Stop trying to sway away others who have a different opinion than you. I saw you on the new AC blogs and man I thought you were a troll also annoying as heck.
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    08-16-2015 01:49 PM
  16. Ry's Avatar
    Ok...well then YOU don't have to get it. Stop trying to sway away others who have a different opinion than you. I saw you on the new AC blogs and man I thought you were a troll also annoying as heck.
    It's like people need to justify a non-purchase with doom and gloom.

    The sky is not falling.

    Samsung will be just fine for now, with it without you.

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    08-16-2015 01:52 PM
  17. calicocat2010's Avatar
    It's like people need to justify a non-purchase with doom and gloom.

    The sky is not falling.

    Samsung will be just fine for now, with it without you.

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    Hey, I just thought he was a troll because he was commenting on every one of those people's posts. To me, that's annoying. There is going to be a lot of negative feedback obviously, but he doesn't have to keep throwing his reasons in our face.
    08-16-2015 02:05 PM
  18. Ry's Avatar
    Hey, I just thought he was a troll because he was commenting on every one of those people's posts. To me, that's annoying. There is going to be a lot of negative feedback obviously, but he doesn't have to keep throwing his reasons in our face.
    Note: we consider calling someone a troll a form of trolling.

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    08-16-2015 02:11 PM
  19. alodar101's Avatar
    I was just at best buy, the Note 4 to me looks better than the Note 5, it just looks more professional, what was Samsung thinking. I told the guy that Samsung is losing touch with reality, I told him I am not interested in jewelry bling when purchasing a smartphone, especially a Note series phone.

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    Really?

    The Note 4 looks better than the Note 5?? You sure you weren't at Office Depot, where they use cardboard demo shapes? I went to BB yesterday and the display of Samsung phones was nice. The device that stood out were the Edge devices, especially the new one. The Notes 4 and 5 were side by side. I could hold both at the same time. The Note 5 is the looker, in comparison to the 4. The also had a separate display, with Stylus, where you could try it out. And you're right, besides the call out for the camera, everything looked pretty much the same. Just like every other phone in the place. Only the iPhone and the Windows Phones were different overall. I expected the Note 5 to be 95% of what the Note 4 was, and even more similar to the S6. Bottom line, this is economics. The market is flooded with phones. Big numbers, big ideas are not going to happen now. Market projections are based on numbers that most likely will never been seen again. Not until they come up with another gimmick.

    If you don't like the Note 5, hurrah for you. Don't buy it. Don't try and rationalize your decision with bling statements. If you don't like, you don't like it. Move on
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    08-16-2015 02:11 PM
  20. Ry's Avatar
    Really?

    The Note 4 looks better than the Note 5?? You sure you weren't at Office Depot, where they use cardboard demo shapes? I went to BB yesterday and the display of Samsung phones was nice. The device that stood out were the Edge devices, especially the new one. The Notes 4 and 5 were side by side. I could hold both at the same time. The Note 5 is the looker, in comparison to the 4. The also had a separate display, with Stylus, where you could try it out. And you're right, besides the call out for the camera, everything looked pretty much the same. Just like every other phone in the place. Only the iPhone and the Windows Phones were different overall. I expected the Note 5 to be 95% of what the Note 4 was, and even more similar to the S6. Bottom line, this is economics. The market is flooded with phones. Big numbers, big ideas are not going to happen now. Market projections are based on numbers that most likely will never been seen again. Not until they come up with another gimmick.

    If you don't like the Note 5, hurrah for you. Don't buy it. Don't try and rationalize your decision with bling statements. If you don't like, you don't like it. Move on
    Beauty is subjective though.

    But Samsung was challenged to make better looking devices.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    08-16-2015 02:12 PM
  21. tadpoles's Avatar
    I just saw a Note 5 in Best Best. Well, they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I'm sure some like the way it looks.

    from the Elegance
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    08-16-2015 02:20 PM
  22. cybertec69's Avatar
    Yes really, the Note 5 looks like a toy.

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    08-16-2015 02:35 PM
  23. edfranco1's Avatar
    I agree, I have the Note Edge and will be my last Samsung phone. I was extremely disappointed with this announcement. I was gonna upgrade my husbands Note 3 but decided that Samsung is to busy competing with Apple that they have forgotten about us the customer and have removed all of the best features, the ones that made them who they are today. Sorry SamSucks but it's your loss and maybe Apple's or even Sony's gain.
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    08-16-2015 03:46 PM
  24. edfranco1's Avatar
    I too won't be upgrading my Note for an other Samsung Note. They removed many of the most important features that made Samsung who they are today or more like who they where 2 years ago. Samsung has decided to move backwards and the person who's given the go ahead in removing the replaceable battery the removal of the SD card and IR blaster should be fired.

    oh and did I mention a much smaller battery?

    FIRE the person who authorized this.



    I passed on the S6 after waiting very patiently and looks like I'm going to pass on the Note 5. Not only non removable batteries... smaller ones at that.

    Nice going marketing team at Samsung... seven straight quarters of declining profits in smartphones.

    Looks like you haven't learned your lesson yet.
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    08-16-2015 04:17 PM
  25. Ry's Avatar
    I too won't be upgrading my Note for an other Samsung Note. They removed many of the most important features that made Samsung who they are today or more like who they where 2 years ago. Samsung has decided to move backwards and the person who's given the go ahead in removing the replaceable battery the removal of the SD card and IR blaster should be fired.

    oh and did I mention a much smaller battery?

    FIRE the person who authorized this.
    Are you guaranteeing Samsung loses significant market share because of this?

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    08-16-2015 04:23 PM
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