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  1. Rocketman88's Avatar
    Here, too, been a Galaxy user for several years, usually really excited about the new phones and upgrading, but not so much this time. Let me get the straight, I am going to downgrade to a smaller battery(I use very bit that my Note has), give up the storage I use very bit of, and spend my money to do this? Nope, I will stick with my old Note 3, it does what I want, when I want.

    Cloud storage is great, but I resent it being forced on me, especially since, like most people, I have to pay for data, and streaming everything off the cloud is going to burn up data in a hurry, and two, I fly alot, ever try to get 4g from 30,000 feet to watch a movie? One my note 3 I have several to choose from, all stored nicely on my SD card.

    It's like buying a car with a 2 gallon gas tank and being told, no problem, gas stations are everywhere, just stop every trip to refill. And don't go on long trips, out of range of a refill.
    08-17-2015 10:17 AM
  2. BrockS.'s Avatar
    Possibly. But keep this in mind. We're not talking here about the entire universe of users. First, let's narrow it down to just Android. And now, let's just talk about (A) Samsung users; and THEN just for (B) a Note line. At each level, those are different users.

    I have no proof, either, but I'm willing to bet that that last group as a whole is far more inclined to want high-end features that differentiated Samsung from others---because that's why a lot of us came to Samsung in the first place. To a considerable extent, they are now taking away some of the main reasons for which we came to Samsung. Why should we stay? After all, who told us these things were great things that made Samsung a great company? A: Samsung. Hmmm.

    In the overall universe, we're a smaller subset of reality. In Samsung's universe, I suspect this is an important demographic, even if still a minority. Which is to say, you don't have to think that Samsung's sales will collapse to think this will nonetheless have an effect. Given all the pressures that Samsung is under (spotlighted Why Samsung should be nervous about its premium Galaxy smartphones - CNET ), they don't have to lose 50% of their sales for this to be meaningful. If they lose 10-15% of sales they could've made--in this marketplace, with what is happening of late, that really matters.

    It's hard to measure sales you "could've made," and I don't frankly think we will see the entire consequence of this for at least another year until we see patterns and trends. Lots of people are on contracts. Lots of people don't upgrade every year any more. Let's see what happens when the "6" comes out if they maintain this policy. I know I won't buy it no matter what else it has. I'll keep the 4 or I'll see what LG and Moto are offering.

    I also don't assume that some "research" they've done is necessarily the be-all and end-all. How did they do it? What were the parameters? Did they ignore results arrogantly, "well, we're Samsung, if we do this everyone will like it." Did they concentrate on just Note users? I dunno---but it wouldn't be the first time in history that corporations made monumental misjudgments and read the market wrong.
    You bring up excellent points. I remember when the CEO brought up the market research they did at the S5 unveiling event. If you believe the press, that did not pan out well for them and eventually led to the drastic changes we are seeing in the S6 and Note 5, which I think will encounter their own problems (Price vs Storage). From the outside looking in,it appears Samsung is trying to expand by being more like the "other guys" instead of building brand loyalty with existing customers and making the case for others to give them a go.
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    08-17-2015 10:24 AM
  3. David Rosen's Avatar
    To me, the removable battery and removable SD card aren't the issue... the issue is 64gb max and not a bigger a battery. Fast charging doesn't help if I can't get to a charger before it dies, and 64gb is the most I can ever have? So much for apps, music, videos, games, VR experiences, pictures and books all living side by side on my device. I can barely keep my Note 4's 32GB + 64GB SD over 1GB free (and the phone starts acting like real trash once it's under 1GB free)... And that's with showing a ton of restraint. I want way more stuff on my phone since it's my most used device out of anything I own. It's just ridiculous that there's not a 128GB option.
    08-17-2015 10:38 AM
  4. rinkeedink's Avatar
    I dont like Samsung for bagging out on microSD and battery after years of developing loyalty to those features on the Note series. I will not be "upgrading" to a Note 5 limited to 64 GB from my tried and true rooted and rommed Note 3 with 96 GB of local and expanded storage. Don't think I'll bother with a Note 4 at this point. The Spen is a novelty to me anyhow.
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    08-17-2015 10:59 AM
  5. Aquila's Avatar
    Moderator Reminder keep the trolling to a minimum, language clean and no personal attacks, insults, etc. Keep it professional and follow PUPPAH.

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    08-17-2015 11:06 AM
  6. rushmore's Avatar
    Moderator Reminder keep the trolling to a minimum, language clean and no personal attacks, insults, etc. Keep it professional and follow PUPPAH.

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    Good sticking all this in one thread since seems best the rest of the threads be to people that have the device or want it. Everything it seems that could be said has been and the fact is if you value either feature there are other options. Buying or not buying is the true voice of the consumer
    08-17-2015 11:37 AM
  7. rushmore's Avatar
    To me, the removable battery and removable SD card aren't the issue... the issue is 64gb max and not a bigger a battery. Fast charging doesn't help if I can't get to a charger before it dies, and 64gb is the most I can ever have? So much for apps, music, videos, games, VR experiences, pictures and books all living side by side on my device. I can barely keep my Note 4's 32GB + 64GB SD over 1GB free (and the phone starts acting like real trash once it's under 1GB free)... And that's with showing a ton of restraint. I want way more stuff on my phone since it's my most used device out of anything I own. It's just ridiculous that there's not a 128GB option.
    Apparently due to price they did not sell very well for the S6. Samsung probably wants to focus (at least for now) on the sizes that apparently did sell well. Apple gets away with having premium prices and having the 128GB since most users are vested in their app, media and hardware ecosystem. Those consumers in that system are more likely to spend the higher cost for 128GB. Android users have other lower total cost options, so not as "forced loyal" to a product. Android users can move from one product to another and their apps and media (as example) are not lost in the OS switch.
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    08-17-2015 11:43 AM
  8. syspry's Avatar
    Come back after six months and let us know how that battery is holding up, then after one year.

    Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
    OK. One of my older phone was launched in the spring of 2011 and is still in use to this day as a hand-me-down to a family member since 2012. It has less than 2000 MaH removable battery that wasn't swapped out until year ago.
    08-17-2015 11:44 AM
  9. calicocat2010's Avatar
    So you've already got your phone? That's strange. LMAO
    Mine is waiting for me at my apartment office, so really it's not a laughing matter. Carriers did well with shipping out quickly.
    08-17-2015 11:48 AM
  10. monsieurms's Avatar
    So, I guess you don't own a charger that actually plug into the phone?
    If you are at your house or in a car, it would make sense to just plug it in.
    I believe I already answered that. I agreed that on a normal day at home it's not a problem because I'm always near a charger! But on lots of days, I'm not always at my house/office. They aren't normal days. I also rarely use a car, by the way, in an urban area. And in a car or on a plane, a fresh battery is often a superior solution to tying the phone into a jack or battery pack because you're picking it up, moving it around, setting GPS, etc... I've tried all the solutions. Nothing is simpler than a fresh battery. But again, not everyone's usage patterns and lifestyles are the same. If you don't travel much, maybe it's a different issue for you. That's really the key point.

    Want a real world example? The last time I used an external battery pack on a plane, it was an acceptable solution, but it also meant I couldn't move my phone much without worrying about knocking over a glass of water or coffee with tangled cords or what not given how little space I had in one of those tiny little coach seats. With TWO devices on the tray table, it took up all my room and it was cumbersome. Try reading an ebook while you eat in coach class on an airplane when the external battery pack is attached to the phone. It left me no space to eat or do anything else. It was way easier to pop in a new battery and when I got to the hotel, put the travel charger with the depleted battery in a socket and go about my business with a fresh battery in the phone.

    I like phones that make my life easier not harder.
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    08-17-2015 11:48 AM
  11. feragola's Avatar
    Nothing is simpler than a fresh battery...
    I like phones that make my life easier not harder.
    Well then you might just fit into that other category and you are better off sticking with another phone.
    08-17-2015 12:23 PM
  12. me23brown's Avatar
    Well I had a Note 4 and was planning on the Note 5 but while I like the option of replacing the battery the killer issue was the lack of an SD card. I have way too much media and need the card support. So I decided on the G4 and even though I've only had it a few days I'm loving it.
    08-17-2015 01:37 PM
  13. crystinonfire's Avatar
    It will be interesting to see what happens with US carriers moving away from the subsidy model. For $100-$300 people were able to buy a new phone every 2 years which is about where the battery would no longer hold a decent charge.

    Will consumers want to keep their phones longer since now a phone will run $500-$800? If so, would be nice to change the battery at ~2yrs and restore life to what is still a decent phone.
    My Note 2 (from December 2012) is still running with its original battery and it holds a charge just fine.
    08-17-2015 02:12 PM
  14. rushmore's Avatar
    The G4 seems the better choice for media fans than the Note 5, but seems the Note 4 is better than both.

    Be careful, Cinderella has a song, Don't Know What You've Got Til It's Gone
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    08-17-2015 02:13 PM
  15. Ry's Avatar
    For me, I refuse to accept a sealed/embedded battery because it limits my options and forces me to have to plug the phone into a charging source. Whereas with a user-replaceable battery I maintain the option to swap it out on the fly to get back to a full charge within minutes (something not even fast charging is able to do). Personally I find that option invaluable as it not only keeps my phone untethered at all times, but allows me the freedom to use it as hard as I like knowing that spare will be back to a full charge faster than I can drain the one in the phone. Rinse and repeat that cycle as much as wanted/needed.

    Also unlike a sealed/embedded battery, no worries about ever managing the charge level hoping to maintain its longevity, or having to deal with one that may be losing its capacity, or worse one that just goes bad. Instead I can have multiple batteries (as many as I want) to spread out the wear and tear or just use and abuse them without worry as they can be easily replaced (at minimal cost).
    So if you were to buy a "flagship" today, it would be the LG G4?
    08-17-2015 02:28 PM
  16. HolyBuckeye's Avatar
    Do you guys think it will be worth going from the Note 3 to the 5? I see a lot want to stay with the 4. I think my N3 is getting on it's final legs here soon (having trouble receiving text messages among other things)

    Not having a removable battery and no SD slot makes no difference to me as I never used the extra storage and I never use more than the 1 battery

    Also If I make the move this weekend, I would have to go on Verizon's device payment plan (or whatever the heck it's called now)..or I can wait until February when my contract is up. Is this phone worth going on that plan you think?
    08-17-2015 02:36 PM
  17. dpham00's Avatar
    Do you guys think it will be worth going from the Note 3 to the 5? I see a lot want to stay with the 4. I think my N3 is getting on it's final legs here soon (having trouble receiving text messages among other things)

    Not having a removable battery and no SD slot makes no difference to me as I never used the extra storage and I never use more than the 1 battery

    Also If I make the move this weekend, I would have to go on Verizon's device payment plan (or whatever the heck it's called now)..or I can wait until February when my contract is up. Is this phone worth going on that plan you think?
    Note 5 would be my recommendation. What plan do you have now? If your plan doesn't give a discount for off contract then it makes sense to go with contract
    08-17-2015 02:47 PM
  18. UJ95x's Avatar
    Do you guys think it will be worth going from the Note 3 to the 5? I see a lot want to stay with the 4. I think my N3 is getting on it's final legs here soon (having trouble receiving text messages among other things)

    Not having a removable battery and no SD slot makes no difference to me as I never used the extra storage and I never use more than the 1 battery

    Also If I make the move this weekend, I would have to go on Verizon's device payment plan (or whatever the heck it's called now)..or I can wait until February when my contract is up. Is this phone worth going on that plan you think?
    If you don't need a removable battery or expandable storage then the Note 5 is a great choice. Other than the two things I mentioned, it's better than the Note 4 pretty much across the board
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    08-17-2015 02:47 PM
  19. Aquila's Avatar
    Do you guys think it will be worth going from the Note 3 to the 5? I see a lot want to stay with the 4. I think my N3 is getting on it's final legs here soon (having trouble receiving text messages among other things)

    Not having a removable battery and no SD slot makes no difference to me as I never used the extra storage and I never use more than the 1 battery

    Also If I make the move this weekend, I would have to go on Verizon's device payment plan (or whatever the heck it's called now)..or I can wait until February when my contract is up. Is this phone worth going on that plan you think?
    Agree that if you're not tied to removable stuff, then the Note 5 is quite a bit better than the 4.
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    08-17-2015 02:51 PM
  20. JawjaBill's Avatar
    People like myself can calm all the way down if we just not think of the 5 as a flagship device. I don't believe Samsung considers the Note 5 a leader of the pack device. The Note 5 is the "Next Thing" not the "Next Big Thing". Samsung's new tablets have been gutted as well. ...and they are working on a Snapdragon 808 flip phone.

    I usually buy 2 Notes every year. The wife wants the new Note 5 and it has been pre-ordered. I am currently taking applications for the "Next Big Thing".
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    08-17-2015 02:55 PM
  21. charlie hustle's Avatar
    Im not gonna get it. But this may be the first note i wont buy for different reasons. Im in love with the s6 edge +. If im going to go without the sd card, then my tradeoff is gonna be a beautiful phone. I played with the s6 edge yesterday and i fell in love with it. Ill sacrifice the lack of sd card and stylus for that screen.
    And if i want my stylus, i can trade that phone with my wife's note 4. She wont complain after seeing that screen.
    08-17-2015 02:58 PM
  22. HolyBuckeye's Avatar
    Im not gonna get it. But this may be the first note i wont buy for different reasons. Im in love with the s6 edge +. If im going to go without the sd card, then my tradeoff is gonna be a beautiful phone. I played with the s6 edge yesterday and i fell in love with it. Ill sacrifice the lack of sd card and stylus for that screen.
    And if i want my stylus, i can trade that phone with my wife's note 4. She wont complain after seeing that screen.
    Thought about the s6 edge+ but with the problems that the s6 had it scares me a bit

    Sent from my SM-N900V using AC Forums mobile app
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    08-17-2015 03:51 PM
  23. wvtarheel's Avatar
    People like myself can calm all the way down if we just not think of the 5 as a flagship device. I don't believe Samsung considers the Note 5 a leader of the pack device. The Note 5 is the "Next Thing" not the "Next Big Thing". Samsung's new tablets have been gutted as well. ...and they are working on a Snapdragon 808 flip phone.

    I usually buy 2 Notes every year. The wife wants the new Note 5 and it has been pre-ordered. I am currently taking applications for the "Next Big Thing".
    I like the Note 5 and mine will hit my house tomorrow. But, I think the LG G4 Pro edition might top it and be the true successor to the Note 4, while the Note 5 is more of a [language removed by mod] love child of the galaxy S6 and a note. The rumors on the LG Pro indicate it will be more of the old school super user device with removable everything.
    08-17-2015 03:52 PM
  24. haydenbe's Avatar
    I had the Note 2 & 3 but i didnt get the Note 4 because i wanted to get away from Samsung. If Samsung would put back the removable battery or at least expandable memory i might consider going back to the Note.
    08-17-2015 03:52 PM
  25. dcstuntman's Avatar
    So, you don't use a charger? that's maybe why you need to swap out.
    I don't use micro-usb charger to my phone most of the time because I have the freedom not to. It's not that I NEED to swap out, its that I want to. The versatility of the the removable battery is what made it great. How was it inconvenient for people to have removable batteries for the past 4 generations of the Note. If they didn't want to remove it, they JUST DIDN'T DO IT. I never heard one person say... ewww it has a removable battery, I'm not going to buy that device. I have, though heard people say the opposite - not only about phones, but other devices like cameras or remote control vehicles.

    I think I started the habit of just using the batteries was after my original battery started draining quicker than usual and I picked up a couple spares. I didn't want to just use one new battery - only to see its life shortened... plus NOT using a battery is also not good for its life. So by constantly swapping (if you call once a day constant) I feel I'm extending the life of all 3 batteries (yes I still keep the original in rotation as well.)

    Sure I'll plug it in occasionally, but I have the choice to NOT plugin if desired. As a side benefit, I consider the fact that I've had a least 4 devices since the OG ipod Touch where the charging connector eventually stopped working. For the ipod touch... that meant it was a paper-weight. For my Nexus 7 2012 (sealed battery) the only saving grace was the pogo plugs (I can charge through the dock.) While this is hardly a primary reason, I just realized after all this discussion that swapping the battery as I do can also help preserve the fragile micro usb connector. If my other devices had the removable battery - it could have extended their usable life after the connector failed.

    Once again I'll state it.. External battery packs are not the same. They don't instantly bring phone to 100%, often not to full capacity; they are bulkier than a spare internal - and don't forget to bring the cable; and having that pack dangle from your phone's usb port while in hand, pocket, or backpack WILL put unnecessary stress on that usb connection.

    To me the side-benefit of removable battery is greater than side benefit of sealed battery. In fact, what IS the side benefit of the sealed battery of the Note5? Did they add water resistance? Did they make the battery bigger since it doesn't need extra internal space? Or did they do it to cave into the tech press, many of whom weren't buying their phones to begin with?

    I don't need a tutorial on how to plug in a phone... I'm not dumb. I just choose to use the device differently than you do. I chose to make use of the options given to me. And my usage gives a tangible -real world - benefit to me as well. Again what was the hassle of having the option of removable battery?
    08-17-2015 04:23 PM
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