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  1. toenail_flicker's Avatar
    @monsieurms
    Excellent post. Thank you.
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    08-18-2015 10:38 AM
  2. toenail_flicker's Avatar
    So, I guess you don't own a charger that actually plug into the phone?
    If you are at your house or in a car, it would make sense to just plug it in.
    This is the same argument that Note 3 wireless charging users got from non-wireless charging users. Doesn't fly any further now than then.

    You're away from all electrical connections of any kind and your battery tanks because something happened and you suddenly had to super use it. Now what? Life happens and these phones (that's why we pay the big bucks for smart phones) are supposed help pull you out of the dookie. If your battery is dead and you can't charge it how are you going to use the phone to get out of the situation?
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    08-18-2015 10:46 AM
  3. toenail_flicker's Avatar
    Finally had a chance today to see a Note 5 in person at my local Best Buy and completely agree! My black Note 4 (naked) looks better! And that glass back is a freakin' fingerprint magnet! I use my phones naked so that would be a huge issue. Yuck! Granted most will put it in a case anyway making it all moot (also covering those so-called "premium materials". So what's the point?).
    I did the same thing and had the same reaction. Went home and started looking for the Note 4.
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    08-18-2015 10:51 AM
  4. toenail_flicker's Avatar
    Do you guys think it will be worth going from the Note 3 to the 5? I see a lot want to stay with the 4. I think my N3 is getting on it's final legs here soon (having trouble receiving text messages among other things)

    Not having a removable battery and no SD slot makes no difference to me as I never used the extra storage and I never use more than the 1 battery

    Also If I make the move this weekend, I would have to go on Verizon's device payment plan (or whatever the heck it's called now)..or I can wait until February when my contract is up. Is this phone worth going on that plan you think?
    Sounds doable for you. I would check out the drop test results before buying, if I were you. Looks like one good drop and your shiny new N5 isn't anymore.
    08-18-2015 10:53 AM
  5. toenail_flicker's Avatar
    You make this sound like it is a guarantee to happen when it definitely isn't.
    It has happened - first time ever on any phone - my OEM battery shipped with my Note 3 blew a cell and bloated. You have no way to say it can't happen when it can. I never would have imagined that my battery would develop a bad cell and bloat so bad it wouldn't keep the back cover on. But it did and I had the "luxury" of buying a new OEM battery and swapping it out.
    08-18-2015 11:05 AM
  6. Almeuit's Avatar
    It has happened - first time ever on any phone - my OEM battery shipped with my Note 3 blew a cell and bloated. You have no way to say it can't happen when it can.
    Where did I say it can't happen? I never said that -- at all. I said you act like this is a guarantee to happen.

    Can these type of things happen? Sure -- but they definitely do not happen often enough to be a huge problem. I know many people who use phones till they're dead and they haven't had this issue.
    Laura Knotek and Adawg1203 like this.
    08-18-2015 11:08 AM
  7. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    This is the same argument that Note 3 wireless charging users got from non-wireless charging users. Doesn't fly any further now than then.

    You're away from all electrical connections of any kind and your battery tanks because something happened and you suddenly had to super use it. Now what? Life happens and these phones (that's why we pay the big bucks for smart phones) are supposed help pull you out of the dookie. If your battery is dead and you can't charge it how are you going to use the phone to get out of the situation?
    Not everyone who has a device with a removable battery has an extra battery. I never bought second batteries for my BlackBerry devices. Even when the original battery for the BlackBerry 9000 died, I just bought a single new battery, not two batteries.

    Sent from my rooted Nexus 7 (2013) using Tapatalk
    Aquila likes this.
    08-18-2015 11:12 AM
  8. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    Where did I say it can't happen? I never said that -- at all. I said you act like this is a guarantee to happen.

    Can these type of things happen? Sure -- but they definitely do not happen often enough to be a huge problem. I know many people who use phones till they're dead and they haven't had this issue.
    I actually have a bloated Galaxy S3 battery next to me.

    It's getting bigger every day.....
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    08-18-2015 11:12 AM
  9. Almeuit's Avatar
    I actually have a bloated Galaxy S3 battery next to me.

    It's getting bigger every day.....
    And I get that it can happen (again I never said it couldn't) but he said it in a tone that make it sound like 1 year = instant bloated battery. That isn't the case.
    08-18-2015 11:14 AM
  10. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    And I get that it can happen (again I never said it couldn't) but he said it in a tone that make it sound like 1 year = instant bloated battery. That isn't the case.
    I know. Just saying that I have one. It's pretty scary because the back cover wouldn't close and I only found out about the bloated battery 2 days after.

    Isn't the first time, though. We also have a bloated Galaxy S2 battery.

    Kinda scary when you keep thinking about it, but thankfully, they're rare. My LG G4 and other phones haven't experienced anything like that.
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    08-18-2015 11:17 AM
  11. Aquila's Avatar
    Better screen and better processor = poor battery life plus who has the time to be plugged in to a wall outlet? So much for Samsung mocking iPhone wall-huggers airport ad campaign.

    Who wants there phone opened up especially when its not being done by actual Samsung? Not me.

    Yes thats right. I just purchased the Note Edge instead of the new note 5 or edge+ and am really loving it. I think the edge screen beats the s6 and note edge plus hands down. I chose the note edge because of the most two important feature for me, the replaceable battery and SD card. I have several SD cards that i switch out because I have a real huge music collection. I help a friend DJ and bring my music files from my phone to the raves.

    YES absolutely, I am with Verizon and they charge an arm and a leg If i go over plus there data plans suck. So I do need my SD card.
    The equation in the first sentence is wrong. Better screen + better processor = better battery life, all other things being equal.

    sent via Nvidia Shield Tablet - Android Central Moderator.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    08-18-2015 11:19 AM
  12. toenail_flicker's Avatar
    I know. Just saying that I have one. It's pretty scary because the back cover wouldn't close and I only found out about the bloated battery 2 days after.

    Isn't the first time, though. We also have a bloated Galaxy S2 battery.

    Kinda scary when you keep thinking about it, but thankfully, they're rare. My LG G4 and other phones haven't experienced anything like that.
    My Note 3 was my first Samsung, and I LOVE it. It has been a perfect phone for business except for the battery bloom at one year. That was a pretty bad wake-up call for Samsung batteries/devices for me and altered my perspective about changeable batteries considerably. I always had spare batteries for my previous phones and swapped out daily. I didn't get the extra battery with the N3 because I didn't think I needed it and it was the one time I actually needed to have one.
    08-18-2015 11:22 AM
  13. D Android's Avatar
    And I get that it can happen (again I never said it couldn't) but he said it in a tone that make it sound like 1 year = instant bloated battery. That isn't the case.
    Unfortunately it happens more often than you think. I had to replace the battery in my Note 4 and it's not even a year old.
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    08-18-2015 11:32 AM
  14. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    My Note 3 was my first Samsung, and I LOVE it. It has been a perfect phone for business except for the battery bloom at one year. That was a pretty bad wake-up call for Samsung batteries/devices for me and altered my perspective about changeable batteries considerably. I always had spare batteries for my previous phones and swapped out daily. I didn't get the extra battery with the N3 because I didn't think I needed it and it was the one time I actually needed to have one.
    That's also partly why I prefer a removable battery, but I've heard that a store can swap out the battery in an S6 in about 20 minutes.
    08-18-2015 11:34 AM
  15. Almeuit's Avatar
    Unfortunately it happens more often than you think. I had to replace the battery in my Note 4 and it's not even a year old.
    And I have friends who are still rocking the Galaxy S3 -- So it can happen but 1 year still does not mean instant bloated battery.

    I just do not want people to come here doing some search, see that post, and instantly think their phones are going to bloat up in a year. Any phone can have a bloated battery (even iPhones) and there are ways of getting it fixed. Is removable easier? Without a doubt -- but I still don't want to pass around 1 year = instant bloat.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    08-18-2015 11:40 AM
  16. D Android's Avatar
    So it can happen but 1 year still does not mean instant bloated battery.
    No, of course it doesn't. I never said that batteries fail within a specific period of time (even my S4 is still perfectly usable, although it doesn't last as long as it used to). What I am saying is that the battery can go bad at ANY time and I would prefer to replace it myself rather than having to send it in for repair.
    dcstuntman likes this.
    08-18-2015 01:40 PM
  17. SBM_from_LA's Avatar
    Why do you need to upgrade your phone every year?
    08-18-2015 02:34 PM
  18. Aquila's Avatar
    We're nerds and there is new stuff to play with?
    08-18-2015 02:38 PM
  19. Almeuit's Avatar
    Why do you need to upgrade your phone every year?
    We have issues ^_^.
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    08-18-2015 02:39 PM
  20. vamp07's Avatar
    Why do you need to upgrade your phone every year?
    Silly question....

    Sent from my SM-G925T using Tapatalk
    08-18-2015 02:46 PM
  21. dcstuntman's Avatar
    Of all the different devices I've owned over the years, the only one that had a battery go bad was the BlackBerry 9000, which had a removable battery. I got it in May 2009, and the battery died in July 2010.

    I haven't had battery issues with the Nokia Lumia 900 (from 2012), Nokia Lumia 920 (from 2012) or Moto X (from 2013). The batteries on those devices are sealed, but they all lasted longer than that of the removable BlackBerry 9000 battery.
    It's not always about the battery going "bad" its the case of diminished performance. Its like the old adage about how to boil a frog... turn up the heat slowly and he doesn't notice. Same for battery... degradation happens slowly and you get the feeling that your device is getting old... 'maybe its all the apps' so you reset the device, but no. Then the blame starts going to the latest OS update... maybe my 'old' device just can't handle it.

    While those situations COULD be a factor... it can be shocking how a brand new battery compares to one that's 1-2 years old - and had been subjected to charging nearly every single day... I've been through the above situations myself for each of the past 3 phones its been a wake up call when I finally get around to buying a new battery or two.

    Sure, I could still be using my original Note3 battery... it just doesn't last nearly as long... and like I said... until you see that sudden jump in battery life with a brand new one in there... you MAY not realize how much you've been dealing with fast discharge when you really didn't need to. YMMV, but I've had family members swear up and down its not their battery... until they realize how much of a difference it makes... and this goes for everything from phones, to Wii remotes, to rechargeable AA's. Batteries don't last forever, folks. And as much as we charge our phones, they're probably getting more than 365 recharge cycles on them per year. That's quite a bit.

    I still see nothing that convinces me that a sealed battery is better than user replaceable in the Note5. Only benefit being maybe slightly smaller. I've got small hands, but never had a problem with Note 3 size... but I'll give that to you if you felt the previous Notes were just a bit tough to handle.... this could be a tangible real world benefit. (Though the slippery back I think about negates that advantage, IMO.) But at the cost of convenience and flexibility for others who otherwise might have been interested in the device.

    I'm sure those that get it will enjoy it. I don't think it will be a lemon of a phone or anything. Just disappointed as a Note fan that it suddenly changed too radically for me to have a strong interest in it. The only reason I keep posting, is it seems people just don't get it why in this day and age people want something that has flexible use cases.... expand-ability... or just does what we've come to expect previous generations to do; or they think we don't know how to use these magical new fangled gadgets... and I assure you... that is not the case. I think its fine if you want to use a device without those features... its fine that my wife and friends use an iphone (and we all get along just fine.) The sticking point for the Note series is it USED to have these... they USED to be advertised features of the device. Having those options didn't dissuade people from buying the device - it was easy enough not to make use of those features... they didn't get in the way of anything.

    And if the argument is 'get over it because that's the way everything is going' then that's a sad state of affairs. Because if that IS the way everything is going, my time with Android itself may be limited. If there is only a couple generations left of having options, and with the apparent continual problem of Carriers getting in the way of features/updates/critical security patches and Google's inability to stem that; then the benefits of being an Android user are less and less. (I'm still a bit bitter that my wife's iPhone can do NFC tap to pay... and I've had NFC on my phones for 4 years now and haven't been able to do it.)

    I've loved having the choice the Android ecosystem provides... but as that dwindles those other flaws I mentioned become more apparent: TouchWiz becomes harder to swallow, device/carrier removal or not adopting new Android features... and the dreaded "F" word become bigger factors that I may not be willing to accept a few years from now if this trend continues. This move by manufacturers (not just Samsung) could just be another factor pushing more users of the platform away.

    I'm not an Apple or Mac guy by any means... its just getting harder to see the difference - and in some cases easier to see some benefits of the other side - as time goes by.
    21stNow likes this.
    08-18-2015 02:48 PM
  22. Ry's Avatar
    Why do you need to upgrade your phone every year?
    I'm in it for the long haul! 2 years minimum!
    08-18-2015 02:51 PM
  23. LiveFaith's Avatar
    Went in and switched my biz line over to ATT from VZW yesterday. That was a big deal where I moved a bunch of lines yadayada. I've been very disappointed with Sammy downgrading the Note, especially the swappable batter. Not happy @ the SD, IR, and durability drawbacks either. BUUUT, the draw of the speedy internals and "latest/greatest" had me about ready to upgrade my N3 to it regardless of the losses.

    As my rep worked on all the details, I walked over to the kiosk to see the N5 and walaaaaaah, the back of he device was already shattered! That's two days on the shelf! The week before the S6 I looked at was already broken on the backk too. A lot to love about the device, but thin glass on the back means this device is simply not "mobile ready" as a daily driver. That means I have to treat it like a new baby or put a bloaty and most likely (ironically) a plastic/rubber case to keep it from shattering.

    Unwilling to accept this many downgrades on my favorite line of devices evaaaaaah. Looks like I'll be settling in to the better in most functional ways, Note 4. At least it will save a little money.

    http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1439841360
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    08-18-2015 02:57 PM
  24. Wildo6882's Avatar
    We have issues ^_^.
    Mine is more like every few months. Tried to make me go to rehab...
    08-18-2015 03:13 PM
  25. Almeuit's Avatar
    Mine is more like every few months. Tried to make me go to rehab...
    Haha I feel you -- I went from the S6 to the G4 and now the Moto X Style (or Pure Edition in the US) once it is out .
    08-18-2015 03:19 PM
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