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  1. SpookDroid's Avatar
    If there's no removable battery the device will have charge retention problems well before it's mechanical life span.

    These products have matured. There is no great leap and bound requiring upgrades in two years. The battery thing is pure planned obsolescence.
    With most plans these days and our nerver-quenched thirst for new gadgets, people who hang on to a device for more than a couple of years are an endangered species, for better or worse...
    01-20-2016 12:18 PM
  2. cardboard60's Avatar
    Batteries if I remember are lithium ion
    Don't have the charge problems of the older phones.
    01-20-2016 12:42 PM
  3. SpookDroid's Avatar
    Batteries if I remember are lithium ion
    Don't have the charge problems of the older phones.
    Correct! But they do 'die' over time (they have an average expected charge/discharge cycle lifespan). After a couple of years of 'normal' use they're usually at 70 or 80 percent of the original charge capacity.
    01-20-2016 12:53 PM
  4. NexusGirlX's Avatar
    After owning a Note 4 and a Note Edge, I have realized that I don't care about the phones having an SD card slot. What I did like about them was that I can swap batteries instead of having to plug in a cable.

    I think more people would prefer the removable battery over the SD card slot. I'll likely be skipping the next Note as well because of this. I'm still using both phones although my daily phone is an iPhone.
    01-20-2016 03:13 PM
  5. SpookDroid's Avatar
    Still doesn't bother me. Note 5 goes all day long on a single charge. On vacation days or weekends where I take lots of pictures, then I can just carry a portable battery stick rather than a 'second phone' of a spare battery. Also spare chargers for spare batteries are costly, and the battery packs you can just plug into any USB port or charger you have lying around.

    I maybe used my spare Note 4 battery 10 times, and only because it came with the charger... if not, maybe I'd have used it even less!
    01-20-2016 03:28 PM
  6. cardboard60's Avatar
    How many years for you think you can use a lithium ion battery before worrying about it.
    And even then I believe the Samsung dude said they can replace the battery for you.
    01-20-2016 04:47 PM
  7. SpookDroid's Avatar
    I'd say two years is still usable, but you'll see a difference on how long it lasts. Maybe 4 years and you'd be definitely looking at a replacement. And yes, Samsung can replace it... but after 4 years, my main concern would be if they still make those battery packs in 4 years.
    01-20-2016 05:20 PM
  8. NexusGirlX's Avatar
    I'd say two years is still usable, but you'll see a difference on how long it lasts. Maybe 4 years and you'd be definitely looking at a replacement. And yes, Samsung can replace it... but after 4 years, my main concern would be if they still make those battery packs in 4 years.
    I wouldn't count on that. As soon as I knew that the Note Edge was a one time phone and that it was no longer being sold anywhere, I went to the Samsung site to order an extra battery for it. Their site said it was out of stock. It was still out of stock when I checked just a few weeks ago.
    01-20-2016 05:23 PM
  9. cardboard60's Avatar
    Did you know batteries plus replaced mp batteries.
    Think they repair broke screens also.
    01-20-2016 08:28 PM
  10. DeniseFigueiredo's Avatar
    there's some nice rewards with the waiting game. if you can wait ..
    01-21-2016 06:52 AM
  11. william63's Avatar
    there's some nice rewards with the waiting game. if you can wait ..
    Yep, I decided to wait until March or August and pick then. Besides, my Note 4 will hold it's own with the Note 5 & Edge+:
    Samsung Galaxy Note 5 vs Samsung Galaxy Note 4 vs Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+ - Phone specs comparison
    And my Note 4 looks as good as any of them out there:


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    01-21-2016 04:10 PM
  12. defdc's Avatar
    The LG v10 seems to have everything the Samsung has (and doesn't have, removable battery & SD card slot)
    I might go that route, but I'll have to sell my gear s smartwatch as it only works with Samsung.

    I'll wait till March or even August to see what is out there and what Samsung shows up with. Meanwhile the Note 4 is just fine.
    I'm still rocking my Note 3 which is finally starting to show its age. I'd like to wait and see what the Note 6 has in store, just to see if Samsung changed their tune at all. They ruined everything I loved about the Note line with the N5. I work in IT, so the server rooms have crappy coverage and no wifi, I am constantly using Bluetooth, and I like to keep the screen at max brightness when possible. When I'm not buried in computers, I'm out in the deep woods, fishing, so no power and bad service. This chews through my battery. I keep a stack of charged batteries on hand, and they are lifesavers.

    I'm glad people are reporting good battery life with their N5, however, the Note 3 had phenomenal battery when it was released. Just wait until a few OS releases are get under your belt and Samsung doesn't bother optimizing for a phone that's six months old. My battery life is in the toilet, even though my habits are exactly as they were 2 years ago when my battery life was excellent. I factory reset my phone approx every six months, just to keep things tidy, so I know it's not me. My main power drains are the screen and os, so I know it's not my apps. I'm not really complaining as this is an old phone at this point. I just needs to be said that phone with good battery life at launch doesn't indicate how it will be in six months, a year, or two down the line, and now you have very little options with a sealed battery.
    As far as the SD card goes, I found it disgusting they decided to do away with the slot and decided to keep a 32GB min and topped out at a 64GB max. I find it hard to believe there was enough profit in selling the 64GB upgrade, than to reduce manufacturing costs and only make a 64GB model. I guess adults are to pay the price, as we aren't on campuses and constantly connected to Wifi. Cloud storage means nothing to me. With data caps being what they are, and memory being cheap, stop the BS!

    And my last major gripe. Slippery glass on both sides? If I wanted an iPhone, I would have bought one. I still use my Droid 1 as my alarm clock. I pick it up in it's rubberized glory and it still lives. (And thanks to the pile of batteries I've purchased for it, it can live on for a LONG time) That glass phone isn't so cute when it's broken. A case? My note 3 has never needed a case. It has a glass screen protector and has taken a nice beating. The rubbery back is shock resistant and doesn't pick up fingerprints. But a functional phone certainly isn't as "cute" in the showroom. How about this, let's make a plastic/rubberized phone, and bundle with a "cute" low profile Samsung case. Make it out of glass or wicker, or whatever the hell the teenage girls will think looks pretty. And, let's be frank here. Plastic is BETTER than glass and metal. It's lighter, cheaper, (usually) tougher, and helps with signal transmission. Period. Whenever someone says a phone looks "plasticy" I know I don't need to trust their opinion on anything else... Yes, I am very much a function over form guy when it comes to phones. A phone will never look "ugly" to me. However, I've seen many "stupid" phones.

    I'm also looking at the LG V10 as my next move, if my device breaks. If it holds out, and the Note wants to return to it's form glory, I'll be back. If not, I'll be moving on.

    Sorry for the rant. It's been bottled up too long.
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    01-22-2016 09:12 AM
  13. Sammuel1973's Avatar
    I currently use my 2014 Note 4, and my 2015 Note 5 concurrently. I can tell you nothing beats the swappable battery feature in terms of battery power. As much as I love the design of my Note 5, the battery has already lost about 5%-10% its retention capacity. The ultrapower battery feature and quick charging feature are gimmicks (on both phones), imo.

    If the LG G5 rumors are true with an all metal build and slide in swappable battery feature, I will definitely explore that come Feb/March.
    01-22-2016 12:15 PM
  14. william63's Avatar
    Long rant defdc, but well said.
    01-22-2016 09:56 PM
  15. Ratbert90's Avatar
    Removable battery's and SD cards are a gigantic pain for manufacturing purposes.

    SD cards in general are a nightmare for support as well, as most consumers will buy the absolute cheapest slowest card they can find, throw in in their phone, and complain that things on their 600$ - 1000$ phone are slower.

    I really really doubt we will ever see removable storage/batteries again.
    01-26-2016 12:41 PM
  16. grunt0300's Avatar
    Removable battery's and SD cards are a gigantic pain for manufacturing purposes.

    SD cards in general are a nightmare for support as well, as most consumers will buy the absolute cheapest slowest card they can find, throw in in their phone, and complain that things on their 600$ - 1000$ phone are slower.

    I really really doubt we will ever see removable storage/batteries again.
    Wow. Don't bet the farm on that statement. Ext sd cards will be back with the next batch of Samsung phones.
    01-26-2016 12:52 PM
  17. Ry's Avatar
    Removable battery's and SD cards are a gigantic pain for manufacturing purposes.

    SD cards in general are a nightmare for support as well, as most consumers will buy the absolute cheapest slowest card they can find, throw in in their phone, and complain that things on their 600$ - 1000$ phone are slower.

    I really really doubt we will ever see removable storage/batteries again.
    In terms of "Flagship" and microSD cards:

    Motorola didn't have it on the first gen Moto X. It's returned with the third gen Moto X.

    HTC didn't have it on the M7 (except for specific country variants). It returned with the M8 and is on the current M9.

    LG.. It never left.

    Marshmallow introduces Adoptable Storage as a flagship feature.

    IMO, we're far from done with expandable storage.

    Posted via the Android Central App on the Moto X Pure Edition
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    01-26-2016 04:16 PM
  18. Aquila's Avatar
    In terms of "Flagship" and microSD cards:

    Motorola didn't have it on the first gen Moto X. It's returned with the third gen Moto X.

    HTC didn't have it on the M7 (except for specific country variants). It returned with the M8 and is on the current M9.

    LG.. It never left.

    Marshmallow introduces Adoptable Storage as a flagship feature.

    IMO, we're far from done with expandable storage.

    Posted via the Android Central App on the Moto X Pure Edition
    2015/2016 is the first season where it can be done in a way that isn't a HUGE detriment to the device. I don't think adoptable will be able to be as fast as internal storage, but I think it is going to be leaps and bounds better than previous implementations of expandable storage. This eliminates most of the security and performance issues - which leaves only opportunity cost and design considerations for me - and moto has shown that you can do both pretty well at the same time.
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    01-26-2016 04:31 PM
  19. Ry's Avatar
    2015/2016 is the first season where it can be done in a way that isn't a HUGE detriment to the device. I don't think adoptable will be able to be as fast as internal storage, but I think it is going to be leaps and bounds better than previous implementations of expandable storage. This eliminates most of the security and performance issues - which leaves only opportunity cost and design considerations for me - and moto has shown that you can do both pretty well at the same time.
    I think we'll see more and more OEMs integrating the SD card slot into the SIM tray.
    01-28-2016 11:48 AM
  20. Rukbat's Avatar
    I have no problem with an externally accessible SD card, as long as they don't remove the ability to use a card completely, the way Samsung did in the S6 and Note 5. (Even forgetting about storage [I'm a software junkie, and still haven't filled up internal storage on my note 3], booting a bricked phone from the SD card is usually a lifesaver when there's no other way to "fix" it but to replace the motherboard. And data transfer from a hard drive to the SD card, if you plug the card directly into the computer, is many times faster.)
    01-28-2016 12:14 PM
  21. william63's Avatar
    Well, this makes the 4th manager/store I've met that still uses the Note 4 and haven't upgraded to the Note 5 for same reasons as a LOT of people, no removable battery & Micro SD support. The manager, Lindsay:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindsay-barrett-2371a9aa
    flipped when she saw my purple Note 4 & purple watchband for the Gear S. She wants me to paint her Note 4 purple.
    02-01-2016 09:02 AM
  22. NexusGirlX's Avatar
    I'm still using my Note 4/Note Edge after exactly one year. I can't tell you how much I value the ability to change the battery every day PLUS, plug in an SD card any time I want to.

    I plugged in my 64GB SD card to my Note Edge this morning and had forgotten that I had loaded up all my 250 music videos that I purchased on iTunes. I tapped on one to play and it asked me what I wanted to open it with, I selected MX player and it played. I can then takes that card out and use everything on it, on my Surface Pro 3 or MacBook Pro and load more stuff on it or delete what I want when I want.

    At the same time though, I'm seriously so close to ordering a Note 5 today and in a week or so, a Nexus. I can always get the Note 6 whenever it comes out since I pay for my devices outright, I can buy whenever/whatever I want.
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    02-01-2016 01:10 PM
  23. NexusGirlX's Avatar
    I still didn't order a Note 5 yet. I keep thinking about how much I love my Note 4/Note Edge. I came very close to pushing that buy button a few hours ago. I will buy a new Android phone eventually though.
    02-01-2016 07:20 PM
  24. Sammuel1973's Avatar
    I still didn't order a Note 5 yet. I keep thinking about how much I love my Note 4/Note Edge. I came very close to pushing that buy button a few hours ago. I will buy a new Android phone eventually though.
    I was the same awhile ago. My Note 4 is still my go to phone due to the swappable battery feature, my gorgeous 64gb gold Note 5 is in my drawer, perfectly boxed.
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    02-01-2016 08:35 PM
  25. monsieurms's Avatar
    I still didn't order a Note 5 yet. I keep thinking about how much I love my Note 4/Note Edge. I came very close to pushing that buy button a few hours ago. I will buy a new Android phone eventually though.
    Maybe I've lost track of the latest updates in rumors, but when last I looked, the new S7 was supposed to have featured Samsung's capitulation ---SD cards were back. If that is the case, it is almost certain to also be true with the Note 6. Given that the Note 6 is a larger device, maybe removable batteries come back too. While I really, really want both, the SD card is far more important to me. I might be able to live with that. Although I might not. But I'd wait to see what the Note 6 does.
    02-03-2016 06:51 AM
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