08-18-2015 11:35 AM
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  1. magellanous's Avatar
    The cloud is all well and good if you can access it but, despite what carriers think, there are many situations in which it is inaccessible due to coverage or over-crowded cell sites. And wifi isn't everywhere either. Additionally, why would anyone think it was acceptable to have one company push cloud based storage solutions at a time when carriers are charging per gigabyte? If anything, now is when micro SD should be the norm as opposed to five years ago when unlimited data plans were much more accessible.
    I need a device that can be productive on or off a network. Otherwise it's just a camera.
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    08-18-2015 09:26 AM
  2. Phillip Pugh's Avatar
    Bull Hockey

    Samsung is pushing it's internal memory for financial gains, not for anything else.

    5g is meaningless for the bulk of the world, and taking away the SD card will backlash on them.

    There are new standards being developed to make SD cards as fast and reliable, not to mention giving almost unlimited swappable storage. The problem comes from the market and cheaper prices for SD cards, and Samsung not being able to compete in this,instead they make the change to fixed amounts of overpriced internal memory and charge premium prices for it,all the while counting on the masses jumping off the same cliff and believing that Samsung is doing this to push technology forward. What a frigging joke.

    You can be gullible if you want to, but don't try to sell this crapola to me.

    Posted from my Samsung S6 Active
    Yes samsung is in the business to make money? ? That's why you go to work very day right . . Also the technical fact is sd card are slower big deal for the millions of folks that play games on there phone

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    08-18-2015 10:15 AM
  3. Phillip Pugh's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure that LG is loving that .01% Samsung cast offs. I know in our family we went from four Samsungs to four LG G4's, and based on everyone around me that were getting new phones (this was over three different days) MANY other people were jumping on the LG band wagon as well. We will see if Samsung only loses .01% when it is all said and done, because I think Samsung has overplayed their cards.
    Most that are looking at the g4 is doing mostly for the cost difference . But you don't what to compare the number of gs6 sells to the g4 do you . It's not close . Hey the g4 is a good phone but the average Joe's don't make that big a deal bout the cd card and battery thing . That's mostly a problem for the small group of geeks

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    08-18-2015 10:21 AM
  4. Bobby_Phoenix's Avatar
    Most that are looking at the g4 is doing mostly for the cost difference . But you don't what to compare the number of gs6 sells to the g4 do you . It's not close . Hey the g4 is a good phone but the average Joe's don't make that big a deal bout the cd card and battery thing . That's mostly a problem for the small group of geeks

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    That's pretty true, and the fact is that small group of geeks is what made the Note line so popular. SD and removable battery. Now that they don't have either the Note line will greatly decline, and that small group of geeks will flock to other devices that have what is needed. The G4 didn't sell like the Note 4 sure, but I'm sure some of the geeks waited to see what the Note 5 would bring, and since it didn't bring it, other phones will pick up sales.
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    08-18-2015 10:45 AM
  5. Superguy25's Avatar
    For you.

    Not for everyone.

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    So why is it so hard to see that there are people who like the SD card and others could care less? It's not a matter of being a dinosaur or resistant to change. It's that our usage models are different.

    I don't see why an SD card slot can't be put in. Their relatively cheap to add. If you want to use it, it's there. If you don't, then rely on an internal storage. No one's forcing anyone to use it.

    The OTG solutions are clunky and have additional cost. I don't want to have to carry around an additional device to have the same capability I've had for years. Good for those that don't mind, but I see it as a solution looking for a problem.

    I don't have unlimited data, and I don't have a great signal every where I go. Cloud data isn't so hot when you leave the country and have to get a new SIM card, potentially with limited data as well. Then you have the additional latency from going across the pond. That also completely ignores the time in transit on the plane when no WiFi is available, or if it is, it's expensive and slow.

    There's also the economics - from the consumer point of view. The way I see it, I can pick up a 32 GB card for $15 or I can pay the manufacturer another $100 for a bit faster version. I can get SSDs that are faster and have more capacity than for less than that difference. I'm ok with the performance hit - I don't notice it most of the time anyway.

    But being forced to pay $900 to have similar storage to what I have in my $650 phone? No.
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    08-18-2015 10:52 AM
  6. wvtarheel's Avatar
    That's pretty true, and the fact is that small group of geeks is what made the Note line so popular. SD and removable battery. Now that they don't have either the Note line will greatly decline, and that small group of geeks will flock to other devices that have what is needed. The G4 didn't sell like the Note 4 sure, but I'm sure some of the geeks waited to see what the Note 5 would bring, and since it didn't bring it, other phones will pick up sales.
    That part I bolded and underlined? It isn't a fact, its something you invented and have no support for whatsoever. The note line is popular because people wanted bigger better smartphone screens; Samsung's own market research showed that. Most of the people that bought them don't care about the S Pen, and have no idea what removable batteries or sd cards are. You are drastically overestimating the percentage of the Note line's sales that go to phone geeks vs. regular joes who just like the big bright screen, or soccer moms who were tired of apple for whatever reason.

    You are correct that a small group of geeks will flock to other devices that meet their needs better. I think thats great. From what I've read the new LG pro device is going to be a great successor to the Note 4. But don't fool yourself into thinking that will have much of anything to do with the Note 5's sales. You are talking about a tiny niche of a niche group.
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    08-18-2015 10:54 AM
  7. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    So why is it so hard to see that there are people who like the SD card and others could care less? It's not a matter of being a dinosaur or resistant to change. It's that our usage models are different.

    I don't see why an SD card slot can't be put in. Their relatively cheap to add. If you want to use it, it's there. If you don't, then rely on an internal storage. No one's forcing anyone to use it.

    The OTG solutions are clunky and have additional cost. I don't want to have to carry around an additional device to have the same capability I've had for years. Good for those that don't mind, but I see it as a solution looking for a problem.

    I don't have unlimited data, and I don't have a great signal every where I go. Cloud data isn't so hot when you leave the country and have to get a new SIM card, potentially with limited data as well. Then you have the additional latency from going across the pond. That also completely ignores the time in transit on the plane when no WiFi is available, or if it is, it's expensive and slow.

    There's also the economics - from the consumer point of view. The way I see it, I can pick up a 32 GB card for $15 or I can pay the manufacturer another $100 for a bit faster version. I can get SSDs that are faster and have more capacity than for less than that difference. I'm ok with the performance hit - I don't notice it most of the time anyway.

    But being forced to pay $900 to have similar storage to what I have in my $650 phone? No.
    From what I've heard, the UFS memory controller doesn't work with SD cards.

    I think it's gonna be a while until Samsung solves this.
    08-18-2015 11:09 AM
  8. Ry's Avatar
    So why is it so hard to see that there are people who like the SD card and others could care less? It's not a matter of being a dinosaur or resistant to change. It's that our usage models are different.

    I don't see why an SD card slot can't be put in. Their relatively cheap to add. If you want to use it, it's there. If you don't, then rely on an internal storage. No one's forcing anyone to use it.

    The OTG solutions are clunky and have additional cost. I don't want to have to carry around an additional device to have the same capability I've had for years. Good for those that don't mind, but I see it as a solution looking for a problem.

    I don't have unlimited data, and I don't have a great signal every where I go. Cloud data isn't so hot when you leave the country and have to get a new SIM card, potentially with limited data as well. Then you have the additional latency from going across the pond. That also completely ignores the time in transit on the plane when no WiFi is available, or if it is, it's expensive and slow.

    There's also the economics - from the consumer point of view. The way I see it, I can pick up a 32 GB card for $15 or I can pay the manufacturer another $100 for a bit faster version. I can get SSDs that are faster and have more capacity than for less than that difference. I'm ok with the performance hit - I don't notice it most of the time anyway.

    But being forced to pay $900 to have similar storage to what I have in my $650 phone? No.
    Forced? No one forced to buy anything.

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    08-18-2015 11:14 AM
  9. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    Forced? No one forced to buy anything.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    Exactly.

    There are choices
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    08-18-2015 11:19 AM
  10. Richard_M's Avatar
    OMG! Sorry, but this is so much bull!

    "Future is now"?
    No! That's just marketing bull!
    Future is future and now is now!

    99% don't want to pay 10 times the price for storage capacity
    99% don't have unlimited data plans
    99% don't have full LTE-A all the time and everywhere
    [a lot]% don't want to save their personal data somewhere in the could
    99% don't have Gigabit Upload speed
    [a lot]% don't want to be limited to ~100GB or even much less (no 128GB model of the Note 5!)

    For those who believe, they are already arrived in the future: go ahead and save your life in the cloud!
    An SDcard(-slot) will not block you from using cloud storage!
    08-18-2015 11:22 AM
  11. Superguy25's Avatar
    You can use an SD card on the dual SIM version. The slot can either handle another SIM card or an SD card (an adapter appears to be needed though).

    Forced? No one forced to buy anything.
    Geez. I'm talking about being forced to choose between keeping an SD card and needing to upgrade to the next Note. I never said anyone was pointing a gun at someone's head and saying buy it. Nice strawman, though. :rolleyes:
    08-18-2015 11:28 AM
  12. Ry's Avatar
    Exactly.

    There are choices
    Thank you.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    08-18-2015 11:30 AM
  13. Ry's Avatar
    Geez. I'm talking about being forced to choose between keeping an SD card and needing to upgrade to the next Note. I never said anyone was pointing a gun at someone's head and saying buy it. Nice strawman, though. :rolleyes:
    No one is forced to upgrade to the next Note.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    08-18-2015 11:31 AM
  14. Aquila's Avatar
    This thread is devolving into the other SD battery thread. The other comments centered on feedback regarding those features can be redirected there.

    Thanks everyone.

    sent via Nvidia Shield Tablet - Android Central Moderator.
    08-18-2015 11:35 AM
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