08-18-2015 11:35 AM
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  1. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    This seems contrary to all information released so far. What's this based on?



    I agree with this.. but



    So far there has been no backlash and none is expected now.



    There are? Like what?



    This seems to be a restatement of the original premise - still confused on why you think this. Over the last several years the industry has been steadily moving away from SD cards due to the security concerns, unreliability and the general degradation of an already poor experience (slowing down devices, causing software bugs that otherwise don't exist, users losing data, memories, etc). Samsung, apparently just like all of the other OEM's, seems to have looked at their research and made a business decision based on the massive volume of users that do not care about this feature - at all.

    Coupled with the restrictions that Android already and will continue to place on this media, the amount of expense that Samsung has to sink into this feature is surely not worth it - given the concept that most users don't even seem to know whether or not a device has an SD card slot, let alone have any intention of making a purchase decision based on that one feature. The four highest selling devices of 2015 will not have this feature - and losing .01% of potential users, half of whom are going to get over it and realize that they can survive on 64GB - isn't a risk even worth considering - let alone crippling their strategy for.
    Because they charge more for their internal memory.

    You are living with blinders on if you think there is no backlash happening. Try actually looking at what people are saying who not only have been loyal Note users but others as well.

    Seriously. ...you think people aren't aware of the SD card? Your sadly mistaken.
    http://www.sandisk.com/about-sandisk...r-anniversary/



    People are not going to get over having to pay more for less. As far as Samsung not investing in the SD card, they have been all along and still are, but can not compete against the likes of Scan Disk and the prices they sell for. The technology hasn't stopped, but growing

    Here's something else since you think SD cards are dead...
    http://www.em.avnet.com/en-us/design...liability.aspx

    The SD card business is steadily moving forward and allowing the consumer resonably priced solutions that the oems like Samsung and Apple hate because it allows more storage for what they could even dream of charging for their "better " solution and this technology is pushing all kinds of phone technology forward.

    Samsungs vision is to copy Apple's business model and become as profitable.There is nothing wrong with that, however the problem is that the majority of Android users demand choices and will reject those oems who don't listen to us. HTC is the latest victim of this, and Samsung will be as well in time. Why do you think that the Asian market has the capabilities to use a SD card? Funny that their core group still has the capabilities. ..why do you think that is. ......?

    http://www.techradar.com/us/news/pho...-cards-1301923

    Camera technology is not slowing down and the need for larger storage will become even greater in the near future. Samsung is trying to have the largest ROI by forcing higher priced internal memory. There is absolutely no other reason than this. Most all top tier phones have the capability of utilizing up to 2 TB right now why else would a company elect to gimp their phones? To blindly believe that they are doing this to push technology forward is a joke. Theyare loosing market share and even though they are making good money, they are still loosing money they could have been earning. Add their other looses and those yet to come from their legal troubles, it belies common sense to belive the rubbish you are saying.

    There's a old saying we often used in the military back in the 70s went like this. ..don't pee down my back and say it's warm rain...meaning don't try to sell this nonsense to folks who know better. It doesn't work.

    Cloud services works fine for some, but for the majority of the world it doesn't quite work out that way, and to propagate a need to use it like Samsung and Apple are doing is bs. Don't say that SD card technology is outdated because that is total fud,it's not outdated it's advancing and becoming greater than it has ever been.

    Posted from my Samsung S6 Active
    08-15-2015 12:20 PM
  2. TechGod2014's Avatar
    This is what I use now a day. U can use it via WiFi and has an micro SD card slot in it. I purchased this a few years ago so that I can transfer files to and from my ipad for work purposes. U can stream videos and pics to ur phone or tablet. I much rather use this than to rely on cloud storage. I don't want my personal info out there like that.
    Attached Thumbnails Good article on why Samsung (and other companies) are getting rid of MicroSD Cards-1439658890923.jpg   Good article on why Samsung (and other companies) are getting rid of MicroSD Cards-1439658985342.jpg  
    08-15-2015 12:20 PM
  3. L0n3N1nja's Avatar
    Hate to break it to you but most of these old timers don't believe in the future lol they think SD cards and removable battery are the future. Nice read and I'm loving what Samsung has done to the note 5.
    SD cards aren't required, but when you remove my storage option and replace it with expensive cloud/data consumption there is a problem. 32gb internal memory with a 128gb card is way better than 32gb internal and cloud storage.

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    08-15-2015 12:50 PM
  4. rgriffin25's Avatar
    How many of you have actually held and used this phone? There's an awful lot of speculation in this thread. It is nice to read different opinions on the direction Samsung has decided to go. Heres my two cents:
    Samsung did listen, how so you may ask? Every year people complained about the cheap plastic build. So Samsung finally delivers a top notch device with impeccable build. I played with one last night for 20 min or so. The build quality is very nice. Feels very solid and comfortable in my hand.
    Performance wise I experienced Zero lag! That's right, everything was snappy. Recent apps pops up instantly. This always annoyed me with my Note 4. Every app I opened was instantaneous. (I realize this is w/o any apps inatalled) But the N5 was very fluid.
    The biggest qualm with me is the battery. I've always had a spare battery and charger for when I got home from work. Of the 3 note phones I've owned so far with the N4 I rarely had to change my battery. So this may not be an issue for me.
    Lack of external storage is disappointing, but with a few minor changes with how I use storage I'll probably be fine.
    So, after my brief time last night I placed my pre-order. It seems with the overall tone of negativity I won't have to worry about lines. 😆
    feragola and Aquila like this.
    08-15-2015 01:27 PM
  5. Aquila's Avatar
    I agree that they did listen and delivered what most customers want.

    sent via Nexus Assassin Edition. Gonfaloniere.
    feragola likes this.
    08-15-2015 01:32 PM
  6. beh's Avatar
    Right but cars are not phones. Who changed there car every year or follow Internet rumors for months leading up to the unveiling of a new car, each and every year? No one salivates over a new motor every year like one would a new speedy mobile processor per se.. A car is a long term investment, costing much, much more than the most expensive phones.. You get my drift..

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    Again, in my opinion your conclusion is incorrect. Millions of folks do in fact purchase a car every year millions more every 2 years. Millions go to the big auto shows around the world and hang on every rumor of automobile improvements and innovations. Mobile phones are no different than any other product with yearly model cycles. And certainly the companies all are working to make a profit, that is what commerce is all about.
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    08-15-2015 03:08 PM
  7. Wildo6882's Avatar
    Do I think that Samsung is doing this as a business strategy? Yes. It's money in their pocket. I am accustomed to not using an SD card, though. I have had 2 Sandisks and a PNY fail on me, and personally, I have had enough of that.
    Yup. I had one corrupt on me and I lost pictures and videos of my daughter's first birthday. That was AWESOME! I'm not against SD cards, but you'd think they pooped out golden eggs or something around here.
    08-15-2015 03:42 PM
  8. rong21's Avatar
    Probably. But the power user of the Note line, don't have the same reasons to stay. The average Note user, the one that rarely uses the S-Pen and only bought it because of the screen size, they may see the high price and decide to buy an iPhone 6s+ for the same price, since they may see more value in Apple, or save money and buy a Moto X Style. There is far more competition out there now for Samsung to compete against, they don't have the fanbase Apple has to be doing these things.
    I bought the Note 4 because of the screen size. I don't care about the spen and a non removable battery and no sd card doesn't bother me.

    However I will never buy a iPhone because I can't do a damn thing with it customization wise.
    08-15-2015 03:54 PM
  9. linzgeneral's Avatar
    Because they charge more for their internal memory.

    You are living with blinders on if you think there is no backlash happening. Try actually looking at what people are saying who not only have been loyal Note users but others as well.

    Seriously. ...you think people aren't aware of the SD card? Your sadly mistaken.
    http://www.sandisk.com/about-sandisk...r-anniversary/



    People are not going to get over having to pay more for less. As far as Samsung not investing in the SD card, they have been all along and still are, but can not compete against the likes of Scan Disk and the prices they sell for. The technology hasn't stopped, but growing

    Here's something else since you think SD cards are dead...
    http://www.em.avnet.com/en-us/design...liability.aspx

    The SD card business is steadily moving forward and allowing the consumer resonably priced solutions that the oems like Samsung and Apple hate because it allows more storage for what they could even dream of charging for their "better " solution and this technology is pushing all kinds of phone technology forward.

    Samsungs vision is to copy Apple's business model and become as profitable.There is nothing wrong with that, however the problem is that the majority of Android users demand choices and will reject those oems who don't listen to us. HTC is the latest victim of this, and Samsung will be as well in time. Why do you think that the Asian market has the capabilities to use a SD card? Funny that their core group still has the capabilities. ..why do you think that is. ......?

    http://www.techradar.com/us/news/pho...-cards-1301923

    Camera technology is not slowing down and the need for larger storage will become even greater in the near future. Samsung is trying to have the largest ROI by forcing higher priced internal memory. There is absolutely no other reason than this. Most all top tier phones have the capability of utilizing up to 2 TB right now why else would a company elect to gimp their phones? To blindly believe that they are doing this to push technology forward is a joke. Theyare loosing market share and even though they are making good money, they are still loosing money they could have been earning. Add their other looses and those yet to come from their legal troubles, it belies common sense to belive the rubbish you are saying.

    There's a old saying we often used in the military back in the 70s went like this. ..don't pee down my back and say it's warm rain...meaning don't try to sell this nonsense to folks who know better. It doesn't work.

    Cloud services works fine for some, but for the majority of the world it doesn't quite work out that way, and to propagate a need to use it like Samsung and Apple are doing is bs. Don't say that SD card technology is outdated because that is total fud,it's not outdated it's advancing and becoming greater than it has ever been.

    Posted from my Samsung S6 Active
    Woozers, damn good post. My exact sentiments..

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    08-15-2015 04:07 PM
  10. mhtsang's Avatar
    Totally agreed.

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    08-15-2015 05:23 PM
  11. stackberry369's Avatar
    corporate propaganda at its best. no SD slots equal additional on board storage which equals more money. they're a business, and I don't blame them, but in this instance it's about one thing and one thing only. very obvious they're simply spinning it off as being better for the consumer.

    personally, 64GB is enough for me and any vital picture or video is on Dropbox, so I can live without SD cards, but it's simply a business decision, one that I and certainly no shareholder can really fault.
    except You aren't getting 64gb after the OS gets it's cut

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    08-15-2015 05:58 PM
  12. stackberry369's Avatar
    Washers and dryers are technology.. seriously if you think otherwise go wash your clothes with the old hand turn washers and then go pin it up on the line outside to dry.

    Samsung Galaxy S6 - Black - 32GB
    ZAGG Tempered Glass
    AT&T
    can You install a SD card in a washer dryer? LMAO

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    08-15-2015 06:04 PM
  13. Ry's Avatar
    can You install a SD card in a washer dryer? LMAO

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    So SD card support = technology?

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    08-15-2015 06:14 PM
  14. Ry's Avatar
    SD cards aren't required, but when you remove my storage option and replace it with expensive cloud/data consumption there is a problem. 32gb internal memory with a 128gb card is way better than 32gb internal and cloud storage.

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    For you.

    Not for everyone.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    08-15-2015 06:15 PM
  15. Ry's Avatar
    except You aren't getting 64gb after the OS gets it's cut

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    You aren't getting 64 GB without the OS on it either.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    08-15-2015 06:16 PM
  16. Bishop_99's Avatar
    This is exactly why the S6 edge+ has been offered. As Samsung stated, this second phone unpacked is directed specifically at the consumer that doesn't use the Note for work but instead for play. So now the consumer has two options, each optimized for the way the user wishes to use them.
    It's a higher priced phone. It has a unique look, but again, these regular users may see more value in an iPhone or they may opt for the cheaper Moto X. Users are not tied down to just the Note 5 and GS6 Edge +, there are more choices now than years ago.
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    08-15-2015 07:49 PM
  17. JoshDunc's Avatar
    can You install a SD card in a washer dryer? LMAO

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    A washer and dryer have motherboards. To me that is technology. I seriously hope you are kidding.

    Samsung Galaxy S6 - Black - 32GB - AT&T
    Speck Candyshell
    ZAGG Tempered Glass
    08-15-2015 07:53 PM
  18. ThrottleJohnny's Avatar
    It's a higher priced phone. It has a unique look, but again, these regular users may see more value in an iPhone or they may opt for the cheaper Moto X. Users are not tied down to just the Note 5 and GS6 Edge +, there are more choices now than years ago.
    Absolutely. And fortunately, a top of the line Samsung phone is among the choices.
    08-15-2015 08:10 PM
  19. pgg101's Avatar
    samsung isn't just a technology company LMAO they make washer dryers, refrigerators and other things.

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    ...life insurance too!

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    08-15-2015 08:15 PM
  20. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    SD cards aren't required, but when you remove my storage option and replace it with expensive cloud/data consumption there is a problem. 32gb internal memory with a 128gb card is way better than 32gb internal and cloud storage.

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    The benefit about the cloud though is that our data is less likely to get lost and corrupted, and much more accessible in other locations. With the SD Card, you have to carry it with you wherever you go, and it can easily be damaged, for example, in heat or water.

    What if you phone gets stolen with your MicroSD card in it? There is no way to recover your data unless you have a backup somewhere. Cloud you can always access your data. And cloud is NOT expensive at all. And for those that say you may be in a place with low signal. Nowadays, its not really that hard to get to some wifi or data point.

    I think its better to have local storage, and cloud as a backup rather than a MicroSD card as your local storage.
    08-15-2015 08:15 PM
  21. PapaGary's Avatar
    This is a crock of you know what. It's all about money, new streams of revenue, period. Samsung has watched Apple make astronomical amounts of money for more than 7 years now using this on board storage only model, even when memory cards were at the height of their popularity and a mainstay in every mobile device.
    There is a reason that Samsung is charging $100 per incremental increase of memory. If they are concerned about preparing for the future then start with a 64 gb base model and add another $50 for the 128gb model. Instead they have now priced their phones above Apple, whose prices were outrageous to begin with. Memory simply does not cost them nearly that much.
    Yep, it's all about the money:

    The biggest cell phone ripoff: $100 for 32 GB of storage - Aug. 14, 2015
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    08-15-2015 08:18 PM
  22. cvaria's Avatar
    give the option. let people chose. it would have been easy for samsung to add the sd, ir, and rem storage. they just didn't because they are concerned about apple... they rushed the note 5. it' offers very little over the note 4 and tbh, it's a poor choice if you have a note 4. it would be almost idiotic to upgrade. you'd gain a little speed and give up so much utilty. even the latest macbooks have sd.

    no usb c... rushing.... they flat out blew the note 5 like they blew the s5... this is clear. if you just have to have the latest... go for it. but it is not wise.


    i honset think that if they were planning to do this bulls---, they could have done a limited run Note "pro" or something like that with beaslty stuff we expect from the note line.... what they've just done is make the note line irrelevant and it show through their own actions... the s6e+ take priority over the note and the note is seeing a limited release... they just killed the note.
    08-15-2015 08:18 PM
  23. pgg101's Avatar
    One thing I found interesting was this:

    "Google will allow you to still have your microSD card, but your microSD card will be encrypted and restricted to only one device. "

    I didn't know Google was planning to do this
    I don't bother encrypting my card on my device as I like to transfer content often between computers and devices. It's a bit of a pain to encrypt then decrypt again.

    Posted via the Android Central App on my BlackBerry Passport
    08-15-2015 08:19 PM
  24. cvaria's Avatar
    people aren't thinking anyomore.. they just get all arrogant and say cloud... i don't understand how people got this dense.
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    08-15-2015 08:25 PM
  25. Aquila's Avatar
    people aren't thinking anyomore.. they just get all arrogant and say cloud... i don't understand how people got this dense.
    What do they mean by any of that?

    sent via Nvidia Shield Tablet - Android Central Moderator.
    08-15-2015 08:30 PM
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