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  1. JoJoCal19's Avatar
    Spoiler alert: they don't.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    Wrong. The phone is not out yet and sales numbers won't be in for a while. So you don't know what the general public cares about. I will say that just within friends and family that I have that use Android devices, having an SD card is a big thing. And these are the people who would be more in the general public rather than the tech savvy category. One thing I do know is that at least within the tech savvy community, the crapstorm is heavy against Samsung right now. Every single tech site that has an article about the Note 5, there's TONS of comments against Samsung's decisions with the Note 5, and how they're either keeping what they have, getting last years model (Note 4), or switching to one of Samsung's rival. Over the past two days I've read no less than 40 articles, hands on, mini-reviews, etc on the Note 5 across any and every tech/mobile site out there, and it's the same story. So it's too early to tell right now, but if sales of the S6 are any indication, they may be in for more trouble with the Note 5. I can say that it will be real interesting to see what direction they go in with the S7/N6 in a years time.

    Edit: To add, I am going to be ordering a Note 4 later this week.
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    08-18-2015 12:16 PM
  2. Ry's Avatar
    Wrong. The phone is not out yet and sales numbers won't be in for a while. So you don't know what the general public cares about. I will say that just within friends and family that I have that use Android devices, having an SD card is a big thing. And these are the people who would be more in the general public rather than the tech savvy category. One thing I do know is that at least within the tech savvy community, the crapstorm is heavy against Samsung right now. Every single tech site that has an article about the Note 5, there's TONS of comments against Samsung's decisions with the Note 5, and how they're either keeping what they have, getting last years model (Note 4), or switching to one of Samsung's rival. Over the past two days I've read no less than 40 articles, hands on, mini-reviews, etc on the Note 5 across any and every tech/mobile site out there, and it's the same story. So it's too early to tell right now, but if sales of the S6 are any indication, they may be in for more trouble with the Note 5. I can say that it will be real interesting to see what direction they go in with the S7/N6 in a years time.
    Do you think LG will leapfrog Samsung to be #2 in the US because of this "fiasco"?

    Samsung is not doomed.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    08-18-2015 12:19 PM
  3. JoJoCal19's Avatar
    Do you think LG will leapfrog Samsung to be #2 in the US because of this "fiasco"?

    Samsung is not doomed.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    No I don't think LG will go anywhere, and I definitely don't think Samsung is doomed (I never said that). Their profits have fallen, but they are still raking in the dough. I do think their plan of going to hell and back to be like Apple is destined to fail. I just hope they realize it before they become the next BlackBerry/Palm/Nokia/HTC. Their past commercials making fun of Apple now look really hypocritical. I'm just going to be paying attention to quarterly sales (like I always do) and see how the Note 5 sales do. If they're on par or better than Note 4 then good for them, they're justified in the decisions they made, and people like you who think the SD/removable battery don't matter will have been proven right. If sales are disappointing or at worst a disaster, then it will be interesting to see what their move is next year.
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    08-18-2015 12:26 PM
  4. wvtarheel's Avatar
    . I'm just going to be paying attention to quarterly sales (like I always do) and see how the Note 5 sales do. If they're on par or better than Note 4 then good for them, they're justified in the decisions they made, and people like you who think the SD/removable battery don't matter will have been proven right. If sales are disappointing or at worst a disaster, then it will be interesting to see what their move is next year.
    Well the note 5 sales won't be comparable to the Note 4 sales because the Note 5 launched alongside a second big screen device, the S6 Edge plus. If you look at the combined sales of the Note 5 and S6E+, I bet it will outsell the Note 4 despite the moaning on the forums about the battery and SD card, because in addition to the folks that buy the Note regardless of the battery/sd card, you will have a lot of semi-clueless Iphone users are going to be drawn to the S6E+ because it looks incredibly premium with the big screen and dual curved edge display. The S6 edge sales showed the look is attractive to the regular joe in the phone store.

    So I don't think you will see the Note line return to its roots next year, unless another device (like the rumored LG Pro with stylus) really makes a killing, getting Samsung to take notice. Could that happen? Possibly. But it won't be because they compared Note 4 numbers to Note 5 numbers.
    08-18-2015 12:31 PM
  5. GolferChris68's Avatar
    Do you think LG will leapfrog Samsung to be #2 in the US because of this "fiasco"?

    Samsung is not doomed.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    Agreed. So much drama about something that so few care about. And besides, LG has its own issues.
    08-18-2015 12:41 PM
  6. rushmore's Avatar
    Well the note 5 sales won't be comparable to the Note 4 sales because the Note 5 launched alongside a second big screen device, the S6 Edge plus. If you look at the combined sales of the Note 5 and S6E+, I bet it will outsell the Note 4 despite the moaning on the forums about the battery and SD card, because in addition to the folks that buy the Note regardless of the battery/sd card, you will have a lot of semi-clueless Iphone users are going to be drawn to the S6E+ because it looks incredibly premium with the big screen and dual curved edge display. The S6 edge sales showed the look is attractive to the regular joe in the phone store.

    So I don't think you will see the Note line return to its roots next year, unless another device (like the rumored LG Pro with stylus) really makes a killing, getting Samsung to take notice. Could that happen? Possibly. But it won't be because they compared Note 4 numbers to Note 5 numbers.
    I agree with most of your posts but suggest Samsung is going to take a significant mobile hit, even with Edge in the total. A few months to see.
    08-18-2015 02:17 PM
  7. Ry's Avatar
    Good marketing can only take you so far. The fact is that Apple makes great products. Are they perfect? Hell no, but to say(or infer) that their skill at marketing is the sole reason why they're the "juggernaut" they are today is a bit naive. You can have the largest, splashiest ad campaign known to man, and millions of people can buy what you're selling, but if what you're selling sucks and the products get returned, what have you really accomplished, except for creating a negative perception around your brand?
    To the general consumer, Samsung's products don't "suck".
    08-18-2015 02:48 PM
  8. johnmcd348's Avatar
    Extra space for your notes and stuff??? Notes take up no space at all.
    Perhaps yours may not but many of mine are photo intense with lots of diagramming and such. They take up a lot more space than a typical list type note. Just like with a Word document. Just typing the document is one thing. Takes up very little space comparatively. Once you start adding charts and pictures and that 300k document turns into a 3gb one real quick.

    I can't say right now exactly but, I ran a file scanner on my phone a couple of years ago and there were 4 *.snb files on there that were in the top tier of storage usage and took up (I can't recall exactly) around 1.9gb of the internal storage. That was just 4 files. I had about 140 note files on my phone. I just messed up a couple of days ago and transferred all my Note files to Evernote(thankfully) and my internal memory went up from less than 2gb available to 7.3gb available. This is on a Note2 with 11gb of usable internal storage.
    08-18-2015 02:57 PM
  9. jlczl's Avatar
    Wrong. The phone is not out yet and sales numbers won't be in for a while. So you don't know what the general public cares about. I will say that just within friends and family that I have that use Android devices, having an SD card is a big thing. And these are the people who would be more in the general public rather than the tech savvy category. One thing I do know is that at least within the tech savvy community, the crapstorm is heavy against Samsung right now. Every single tech site that has an article about the Note 5, there's TONS of comments against Samsung's decisions with the Note 5, and how they're either keeping what they have, getting last years model (Note 4), or switching to one of Samsung's rival. Over the past two days I've read no less than 40 articles, hands on, mini-reviews, etc on the Note 5 across any and every tech/mobile site out there, and it's the same story. So it's too early to tell right now, but if sales of the S6 are any indication, they may be in for more trouble with the Note 5. I can say that it will be real interesting to see what direction they go in with the S7/N6 in a years time.

    Edit: To add, I am going to be ordering a Note 4 later this week.
    I agree with you 100%. Everyone is saying that nobody in the general public cares about removable batteries and sd cards but they really have no data to back that up. I believe iPhone users don't care about that but every Note user I know does care about it and is upset about the removal of them in the Note 5........and no, they aren't tech enthusiasts either. They are business men and women that use the Note series instead of iPhones precisely because they had those features.......and now they're gone.

    As far as Samsung gaining enough converts from Apple with their new design.......it's not going to happen. IPhone users are extremely loyal and are neck high in the ecosystem to switch even if they wanted to.

    At any rate, time will tell. Even though I don't want Samsung to suffer too much, I do want the Note 5 to not do so well so Samsung can take notice and re-introduce these features in a future Note. At that point I may be back but as of right now count me as another Note user that isn't buying a new Note.
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    08-18-2015 06:05 PM
  10. syspry's Avatar
    Why do you SD card proponents seem to be under the impression that Samsung sales will be in direct proportion to whether or not there's an SD card in it? I keep hearing a few of you repeat this. "when sales numbers are released, you'll all see whether no SD was a good decision or not"
    08-18-2015 06:50 PM
  11. Ry's Avatar
    I agree with you 100%. Everyone is saying that nobody in the general public cares about removable batteries and sd cards but they really have no data to back that up. I believe iPhone users don't care about that but every Note user I know does care about it and is upset about the removal of them in the Note 5........and no, they aren't tech enthusiasts either. They are business men and women that use the Note series instead of iPhones precisely because they had those features.......and now they're gone.

    As far as Samsung gaining enough converts from Apple with their new design.......it's not going to happen. IPhone users are extremely loyal and are neck high in the ecosystem to switch even if they wanted to.

    At any rate, time will tell. Even though I don't want Samsung to suffer too much, I do want the Note 5 to not do so well so Samsung can take notice and re-introduce these features in a future Note. At that point I may be back but as of right now count me as another Note user that isn't buying a new Note.
    The lack of SD card support and user replaceable batteries is not going to stop someone who wants the Note 5 from buying the Note 5.

    Samsung is not in trouble.
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    08-18-2015 06:56 PM
  12. jlczl's Avatar
    Why do you SD card proponents seem to be under the impression that Samsung sales will be in direct proportion to whether or not there's an SD card in it? I keep hearing a few of you repeat this. "when sales numbers are released, you'll all see whether no SD was a good decision or not"
    Because, at least in my case, every Note owner I know has a Note instead of an iPhone in part because the SD card differentiated it. Every Note owner I know, tech enthusiast and regular Joe, has an SD card in their Note and are upset about that option not being available in the Note 5 and, like myself, are not upgrading to it but instead are looking for other options (including waiting another year to see if the Note 6 rights the wrongs of the 5).

    Posted via the Android Central App
    08-18-2015 06:57 PM
  13. Ry's Avatar
    Because, at least in my case, every Note owner I know has a Note instead of an iPhone in part because the SD card differentiated it. Every Note owner I know, tech enthusiast and regular Joe, has an SD card in their Note and are upset about that option not being available in the Note 5.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    And then someone else can say that everyone they know with a Note doesn't bother putting in SD card in it or doesn't buy an extra battery...

    Still - the sky is not falling.
    08-18-2015 06:59 PM
  14. syspry's Avatar
    Because, at least in my case, every Note owner I know has a Note instead of an iPhone in part because the SD card differentiated it. Every Note owner I know, tech enthusiast and regular Joe, has an SD card in their Note and are upset about that option not being available in the Note 5.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    I get that, but I'm talking about what a few people here keep claiming. That if the note doesn't sell well it will be because of SD. How do you even make that connection (more like a leap)? There's not even anything out there to base that on.
    08-18-2015 07:01 PM
  15. jlczl's Avatar
    I get that, but I'm talking about what a few people here keep claiming. That if the note doesn't sell well it will be because of SD. How do you even make that connection (more like a leap)? There's not even anything out there to base that on.
    I see what you're saying. I think if it doesn't sell well (and I don't think it will), it will be for more than just one reason but the lack of SD card is one of them IMO.

    1. High price when many lower priced and still highly capable devices are hitting the market.

    2. Sealed battery making longevity in such a high priced device dubious.

    3. The SD card issue of course.

    4. Tha lack of IR blaster (basically what's seen as the stripping of features to go along with the higher price tag).

    5. The fact that cell phones are so advanced and that the market is saturated will likely lower demand as many people don't see the need to upgrade as often.

    Posted via the Android Central App
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    08-18-2015 07:06 PM
  16. jlczl's Avatar
    And then someone else can say that everyone they know with a Note doesn't bother putting in SD card in it or doesn't buy an extra battery...

    Still - the sky is not falling.
    True......that's my point, there's really no data on either side of the argument that I've seen. We won't really know for quite some time what the fallout, if any, will be......and, true again, the sky is not falling.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    08-18-2015 07:08 PM
  17. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I get that, but I'm talking about what a few people here keep claiming. That if the note doesn't sell well it will be because of SD. How do you even make that connection (more like a leap)? There's not even anything out there to base that on.
    Because it is entirely logical to assume this. When 2 of the Notes main features are removed and sales aren't as good, it's a indicator that this reason had a negative impact on those sales,just as adding features or changing it's looks could be the reason for increased sales.

    Posted from my Samsung S6 Active
    08-18-2015 07:10 PM
  18. syspry's Avatar
    Because it is entirely logical to assume this. When 2 of the Notes main features are removed and sales aren't as good, it's a indicator that this reason had a negative impact on those sales,just as adding features or changing it's looks could be the reason for increased sales.

    Posted from my Samsung S6 Active
    No it's not. In fact last week one of the moderators here proved that Samsung's mobile phone sales decline started in 2013-2014 while there WERE SD cards included. Your assumption isn't logical at all, it's pure wild speculation based on absolutely no tangible evidence whatsoever.
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    08-18-2015 07:17 PM
  19. JoJoCal19's Avatar
    I see what you're saying. I think if it doesn't sell well (and I don't think it will), it will be for more than just one reason but the lack of SD card is one of them IMO.

    1. High price when many lower priced and still highly capable devices are hitting the market.

    2. Sealed battery making longevity in such a high priced device dubious.

    3. The SD card issue of course.

    4. Tha lack of IR blaster (basically what's seen as the stripping of features to go along with the higher price tag).

    5. The fact that cell phones are so advanced and that the market is saturated will likely lower demand as many people don't see the need to upgrade as often.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    This. People (on both sides) are so hung up on just the SD card aspect, but it's really the sum total that I feel is going to cause a huge drop off in sales. Apple can get away with charging $849 for a 64GB high end phone, I don't feel that's going to be the case with Samsung. Not to mention with the current trend of contracts going the way of the dodo and people having to pay retail for the phones, it's not good news for Samsung. But yes, I concur with jlczl. Removing the SD card, sealing the battery in, only offering up to 64GB storage, jacking up the prices, including charging $100 more for extra storage (again I think only Apple can get away with this), and cheaper options hitting the market (Moto X Pure). It's really a perfect storm of bad news for Samsung.

    I do know their sales have been trending down since 2013 as has been said, but Samsung apparently thought that trying to copy Apple was the way to stop the slide. I do think they had the right thought with moving more towards a premium feel, but they could have done that and kept the features they removed.
    08-18-2015 08:36 PM
  20. ReggieTee's Avatar
    I know i'm pretty bummed out as I should be about to get a new phone as I do every year. Like most Note fans, expecially Note 4 owners, I'm no impressed enough by the 5 to upgrade. I've reached the point where I'm tired of paying $800 for phones, at least every year. If I were to get rid of my Note 4 and upgrade to the Note 5, it'll be in a few months after there's a price drop. I definitely won't be locking myself in that launch price considering the S6 price cuts that came reasonably quickly. I'll probably be ordering a Moto X Pure when available. I can do with the sealed battery, but I need an sdcard slot since OEMs act like storage is so damn expensive they have to charge in $100 increments. Give me a 32gb moto X Pure and the sdcard slot.
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    08-18-2015 09:13 PM
  21. t11rmh's Avatar
    Considering that Samsung is ignoring the whole of Europe when it comes to the Note5 of course sales will be down.

    As a Note4 owner I was looking forward to the Note5 but as I am in England it won't be sold here. Even if it was the lack of SD storage would have made me look elsewhere.

    Samsung really has shot itself in the foot this time around. Trying to emulate Apple will destroy their mobile phone business. Ignoring a whole continent won't help either.

    Posted via a kicking Note4 on Lollipop.
    08-18-2015 10:46 PM
  22. corty34m's Avatar
    I completely agree. I have owned a Note 2,Note 3, S4, and a Note 4 and love the big screens. I am so disapointed in Samsung right now. I was not happy at all over losing the removeable battery and microsd card, but I could have lived with a 128gb version and would have upgraded. Someone please explain to me why on earth they made a 128gb S6 and S6 edge but not the Note 5 or S6 Edge+?????!!!!!! That is beond stupid and ludacris! If you have expandable storage then fine 64gb is ok and even 32gb has been doable with a 128gb card inserted,but no expansion means that 64gb should have been the entry level model with 128gb and maybe even a 256gb model. They also could have done 2 versions a 64gb with smaller battery or a 128gb with larger battery just like some phones will have a 3 and 4gb model available. I honestly don't know what to do. I love samsung hardware but need more then 64gb. Maybe we will all get lucky and they will eventually release a 128gb version or hopefully incipio will make their offgrid case with built in battery and microsd card case for the note 5/s6 edge+ like they have for the regular s6 and s6 edge. If Samsung was smart they would make their own cases with extra battery and storage options. Even Apple has 128gb versions of the iphone and iphone plus and I though Samsung was always trying to out shine Apple. Epic Fail Samsung!
    08-18-2015 10:46 PM
  23. Dude2's Avatar
    The lack of SD card support and user replaceable batteries is not going to stop someone who wants the Note 5 from buying the Note 5.

    Samsung is not in trouble.
    Time will tell the impact to Sam, but without these two important features most people will reevaluate other options. Sam has lowered their value prop in a big way.
    08-18-2015 10:52 PM
  24. Dude2's Avatar
    This. People (on both sides) are so hung up on just the SD card aspect, but it's really the sum total that I feel is going to cause a huge drop off in sales. Apple can get away with charging $849 for a 64GB high end phone, I don't feel that's going to be the case with Samsung. Not to mention with the current trend of contracts going the way of the dodo and people having to pay retail for the phones, it's not good news for Samsung. But yes, I concur with jlczl. Removing the SD card, sealing the battery in, only offering up to 64GB storage, jacking up the prices, including charging $100 more for extra storage (again I think only Apple can get away with this), and cheaper options hitting the market (Moto X Pure). It's really a perfect storm of bad news for Samsung.

    I do know their sales have been trending down since 2013 as has been said, but Samsung apparently thought that trying to copy Apple was the way to stop the slide. I do think they had the right thought with moving more towards a premium feel, but they could have done that and kept the features they removed.
    What JoJo said.

    Apple is 70-80% a handheld graphical terminal. It can store some photos and music, but that is all most general public users want it's what we refer to in the IT sector as an appliance. It does a few things well and that's all you get but it is simple to use and stable.

    Without subsidies for iPhones I think we'll see iPhone market share look like more like their desktop and laptop market share maybe less since the iPhone bang for the buck is much less than Android devices. If anything can save iPhone share it will be their services but even robust services priced incorrectly will erode market share.
    08-18-2015 11:04 PM
  25. ReggieTee's Avatar
    I completely agree. I have owned a Note 2,Note 3, S4, and a Note 4 and love the big screens. I am so disapointed in Samsung right now. I was not happy at all over losing the removeable battery and microsd card, but I could have lived with a 128gb version and would have upgraded. Someone please explain to me why on earth they made a 128gb S6 and S6 edge but not the Note 5 or S6 Edge+?????!!!!!! That is beond stupid and ludacris! If you have expandable storage then fine 64gb is ok and even 32gb has been doable with a 128gb card inserted,but no expansion means that 64gb should have been the entry level model with 128gb and maybe even a 256gb model. They also could have done 2 versions a 64gb with smaller battery or a 128gb with larger battery just like some phones will have a 3 and 4gb model available. I honestly don't know what to do. I love samsung hardware but need more then 64gb. Maybe we will all get lucky and they will eventually release a 128gb version or hopefully incipio will make their offgrid case with built in battery and microsd card case for the note 5/s6 edge+ like they have for the regular s6 and s6 edge. If Samsung was smart they would make their own cases with extra battery and storage options. Even Apple has 128gb versions of the iphone and iphone plus and I though Samsung was always trying to out shine Apple. Epic Fail Samsung!
    I don't think the 128gb S6 and Edge sold particularly well and probably because of the price I understand if they didn't include one for the Note. The Note 4 was a new design, they could have improved on it and rode it out for another year with the 5.

    I see some saying the general public doesn't care about the battery and sd slot. I consider my wife the general public. She wanted to get the Note 4 in May. I told her she may as well wait for the 5 and the rumor about not having an battery and sdcard slot, she wanted the 4 because of that reason. As a heavy text/talk user, that feature was very important to her. I guess we'll all get used to it, not right now though.
    08-18-2015 11:18 PM
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