08-25-2015 07:18 PM
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  1. Sapient's Avatar
    There another alternative.(but I doubt Samsung would do it)
    Just make a new S-Pen design specifically for the Note 5.
    The top clicky part will be slightly larger than the entry hole,
    so nobody can insert it the wrong way. It will not sit flush
    with the bottom of the Note 5, but that's a necessary evil.

    Include the new pen in future shipments of Note 5. Set up
    a website so current Note 5 owners can enter their IMEI
    number and have the new S-Pen shipped to them.

    Problem solved.

    Like I said, I don't think Samsung will do this. Kind of reminds
    me of when Nintendo was forced to ship out rubber cases and
    hand straps for Wii remotes when peopel were smashing their
    TV screens while playing Wii games.
    I think it could even be smaller than that. The S Pen would just need a little nub on the top of the click button that extends slightly beyond the edge of the button.
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    08-25-2015 05:13 PM
  2. anon(607340)'s Avatar
    Redesign the S pen. Anyone with kids knows this is going to happen. As a mechanical engineer that designs this kind of stuff, I put all the blame on Samsung. If my manager knew I designed a part that could be inserted incorrectly causing permanent damage, I would have been fired. This is like rule 1 for any engineer is to dummy proof your designs. My kids use my S pen to draw pictures and on learning apps on my Note 3 and I'm about 100% positive that even though they are super careful, this would happen. Even if I never did it myself which could happen.
    So you blame Samsung for not basing their design on what a toddler might do because people let their 3 year old kid play with their $800 phone?

    Better call up all the auto makers and have them tone down the horsepower in case you let your 16 year old drive your $100k sports car, cuz you know, kids & stuff.

    FOH
    08-25-2015 05:14 PM
  3. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    The spen has to be flush with the bottom of the phone or it will catch on everything.
    beh likes this.
    08-25-2015 05:16 PM
  4. centerwaters's Avatar
    Why does the air force bother with those little plastic covers
    over nuclear missile launch panels? The soldiers manning
    those missiles are probably the most well-trained people on
    the planet. They know they are responsible for millions of
    lives. Yet the air force doesn't trust them enough? Like I
    said, why bother with those plastic covers if those soldiers
    are supposed to be well-trained and never make mistakes?
    They could have saved a bundle of money by not having
    those covers.

    The simple fact is that all humans make mistakes. This
    could have easily been prevented if Samsung engineers
    to an extra day and designed the Note 5's S-Pen so that
    it could not be inserted backwards by a human making a
    simple mistake.

    08-25-2015 05:17 PM
  5. Delirious D's Avatar
    You really should not have to read the manual for basic things.
    Oh man you have too much faith in humanity.
    I work in I.T. and I still get asked "which is the power cord?" Or "which is the phone cord" 2 things that have been around before I was born.




    Sent from my SM-P550 using Tapatalk
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    08-25-2015 05:19 PM
  6. Paul Paradis's Avatar
    Pay attention. Try putting the s pen in right. I've honestly never seen so many people try to blame others for their OWN mistakes.
    08-25-2015 05:21 PM
  7. centerwaters's Avatar
    Pay attention. Try putting the s pen in right. I've honestly never seen so many people try to blame others for their OWN mistakes.
    I agree. People who put the Note 5 S-Pen in backwards have
    nobody to blame but themselves.

    However, this issue could have easily been avoided if the
    Samsung engineers spent a little extra time during the design
    process. If this was Samsung's first Note phone, I could
    understand it. But even much older Note 2 phones were
    designed so that the S-Pen CANNOT be inserted backwards.
    (unless you take a hammer and literally try to bang it in)
    08-25-2015 05:29 PM
  8. k3m1c6's Avatar
    My fear is that we end up ***** proofing everything to the point of uselessness!

    Posted for my Galaxy Note 5 with a properly inserted S Pen!
    beh likes this.
    08-25-2015 05:31 PM
  9. cliffy223's Avatar
    I agree that some of this is Samsung's fault along with being user error. But if this did happen and the S Pen stopped working when it got unstuck wouldn't the simple answer be calling Samsung Technical support to do a warranty exchange. I'm not sure how they would prove what was the cause unless they did a complete detailed look in the phone.
    08-25-2015 05:31 PM
  10. Sapient's Avatar
    So you blame Samsung for not basing their design on what a toddler might do because people let their 3 year old kid play with their $800 phone?

    Better call up all the auto makers and have them tone down the horsepower in case you let your 16 year old drive your $100k sports car, cuz you know, kids & stuff.

    FOH
    Seriously? Having a lot of horsepower is like having a stylus that can easily be inserted backwards? Are your suggesting that people want a design flaw in their phone in the same way they want horsepower in their sports cars?

    My car may not have cost $100k. But if it had flaw similar to the one with the Note 5, I would be upset. If, say, my seat belt system would stop working because I accidentally twisted the belt and inserted the tab backwards, I would call that a design flaw.
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    08-25-2015 05:33 PM
  11. jdbii's Avatar
    Recall and redesign.
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    08-25-2015 05:34 PM
  12. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    Samsung doesn't have to do anything. To put it nicely, I would say it's 'user error' ☺
    People should not blame Samsung for this... There is nothing wrong with the design of the Note 5...like said above, it's a user error

    If someone stuck a pencil backwards into a pencil sharpener and the sharpener broke, no one can blame the pencil or or the pencil sharpener company for bad design

    Sent from my Galaxy Note 5!
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    08-25-2015 05:35 PM
  13. Sapient's Avatar
    People need to stop being retarded. If they are unable to follow instructions then they need an old Nokia. I find it laughable that people feel so entitled to a new device because they screwed up. This is like people needing a reminder that coffee is hot. It's ridiculous

    Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
    You know that you are supposed to use the power button to power-up your phone, right? If the phone was ruined by you hitting a volume button by mistake, you would be OK with it? I would say that a phone should not be designed that way.
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    08-25-2015 05:36 PM
  14. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    I see you don't end your sentences with punctuation. If your errors bricked your phone, would that be bad design? Would you complain if it happened?
    That's not even close to an equal comparison lol
    And even if it did, I have no one to blame but myself if it was common knowledge not to do that

    It's common knowledge (to the majority of people) that the S-Pen shouldn't go backwards I think

    Sent from my Galaxy Note 5!
    beh likes this.
    08-25-2015 05:41 PM
  15. felloffthetruck's Avatar
    Oh man you have too much faith in humanity.
    I work in I.T. and I still get asked "which is the power cord?" Or "which is the phone cord" 2 things that have been around before I was born.





    Sent from my SM-P550 using Tapatalk



    That Batman shirt...........
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    08-25-2015 05:41 PM
  16. anon(607340)'s Avatar
    Seriously? Having a lot of horsepower is like having a stylus that can easily be inserted backwards? Are your suggesting that people want a design flaw in their phone in the same way they want horsepower in their sports cars?

    My car may not have cost $100k. But if it had flaw similar to the one with the Note 5, I would be upset. If, say, my seat belt system would stop working because I accidentally twisted the belt and inserted the tab backwards, I would call that a design flaw.
    Do you really need me to tighten up my analogy for you to get it?

    Let me make it simple for you:

    Don't let your toddler play with your $800 mini computer that's made for adults. Who, incidentally, are the idiots that inserted the pen backwards, because no one has blamed their kid (yet..)
    08-25-2015 05:42 PM
  17. beh's Avatar
    Samsung should do nothing further and the 2 articles I have read claiming this is a flaw in the phone are wrong in my opinion. The flaw is in the users who don't take the time to learn to use their equipment properly.
    I mean really, what guy (or gal for that matter) doesn't know the pointy end goes in first
    tadpoles likes this.
    08-25-2015 05:42 PM
  18. Jheebs's Avatar
    Apple iPhone 6 had "bend-gate"

    Note 5 has "pen-gate"...

    I can hear the fanboys now. ..lmao

    Posted via the Android Central App
    08-25-2015 05:43 PM
  19. Sapient's Avatar
    That's not even close to an equal comparison lol
    And even if it did, I have no one to blame but myself if it was common knowledge not to do that

    It's common knowledge (to the majority of people) that the S-Pen shouldn't go backwards I think

    Sent from my Galaxy Note 5!
    Is it common knowledge to be extra careful to make sure you are not inserting a stylus into a phone backwards, and that if you do, it will cause significant damage? I certainly have never heard of such a thing before. I guess I expect a certain level of design competence for the products I purchase.
    artteacher6 likes this.
    08-25-2015 05:44 PM
  20. Katrina White1's Avatar
    Is there a way to redesign the pen to not fit backward in the hole, but still be flush with the device? Hmmm...I think the device itself would have to be redesigned.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    08-25-2015 05:44 PM
  21. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    Mod note: Please keep the discussion on topic.
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    08-25-2015 05:44 PM
  22. beh's Avatar
    Oh man you have too much faith in humanity.
    I work in I.T. and I still get asked "which is the power cord?" Or "which is the phone cord" 2 things that have been around before I was born.




    Sent from my SM-P550 using Tapatalk
    On the IBM PC it was "what is the big red paddle switch for" LOL
    08-25-2015 05:45 PM
  23. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    Is it common knowledge to be extra careful to make sure you are not inserting a stylus into a phone backwards, and that if you do, it will cause significant damage? I certainly have never heard of such a thing before. I guess I expect a certain level of design competence for the products I purchase.
    It's like it's common knowledge not to stick a knife into an electric outlet... If u get permanently injured... Are u gonna blame the electric company?

    Or another example...putting deseil fuel into a Toyota corolla... If it damages the car... Whose fault is that?

    Sent from my Galaxy Note 5!
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    08-25-2015 05:47 PM
  24. Sapient's Avatar
    Do you really need me to tighten up my analogy for you to get it?

    Let me make it simple for you:

    Don't let your toddler play with your $800 mini computer that's made for adults. Who, incidentally, are the idiots that inserted the pen backwards, because no one has blamed their kid (yet..)
    Given your statement that this is a mistake that adults are making, I'm not sure the significance of your comments about toddlers. I think anyone who knows anything about design understands that designers have a responsibility to anticipate and moderate problems like this one.

    I've mentioned a hypothetical here a couple times that postulates a phone which is ruined if a person tries to power it on with a volume button. If I were an engineer working on such a device, I wouldn't put a warning in an online manual. I would change the wiring so this was no longer a problem. Likewise with the stylus. A trivial change to the design, which would likely have cost nothing, would have protected people's devices from being significantly damaged from a predictable mistake. As a consumer, you should be expected that minimal level of competence.
    artteacher6 likes this.
    08-25-2015 05:52 PM
  25. Delirious D's Avatar
    On the IBM PC it was "what is the big red paddle switch for" LOL
    The one drives me bonkers is whan they hunt around for a paper clip and insert it into the tiny *** red button that says reset and then act surprised when nothing works. Because reset means power cycle :l

    Like yea let me ask you to press the big red reset button on your ipad.. you know to shut it down lol

    That's off topic

    S-pen rocks.. yea maybe samsung didn't think to put a clip or locking mechanism inside to prevent the clicky stick from getting stuck but you also can't blame them for your mistake. This is a multimillion dollar company that not only manufactures different cell phone models at once but tvs, blurays,speakers, computers, washing machines, refrigerators, etc, so EXXXXXXXXXCUSE them for not thinking 2 people (as far as we know) out of the thousands of note 5 customers made a booboo with their stick.

    That's like the guy getting mad because samsung doesn't design with lefties in mind. Its ALL ABOUT THE MONEY

    Sent using my gorgeous Korean Phone and its clicky stick...
    08-25-2015 05:56 PM
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