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  1. vahdyx's Avatar
    Right now, this will be impossible. From what I'm reading, M can not be setup for a second system partition. The ONLY way you'll get seamless updates is if it ships from the OEM with N already on it AND already partitioned. It's not something that can be added after the fact and it's an optional feature as well. So OEM N shipped phones could still not have it.

    I guess it's technically possible a later revision of the N7 could be made setup with N and the extra partition, but I don't know if that is likely to happen.




    Since you're already looking at a worse case scenario of a $50 restock fee, you're actually now at a $20 difference.
    Haha right, we'll call that a rental fee.
    08-15-2016 09:36 AM
  2. speedlever's Avatar
    Right now, this will be impossible. From what I'm reading, M can not be setup for a second system partition. The ONLY way you'll get seamless updates is if it ships from the OEM with N already on it AND already partitioned. It's not something that can be added after the fact and it's an optional feature as well. So OEM N shipped phones could still not have it.

    I guess it's technically possible a later revision of the N7 could be made setup with N and the extra partition, but I don't know if that is likely to happen.
    Hmm. I figured I might be out on a limb with that and was hoping it was something that could be changed via firmware. But that sounds pretty unlikely and frankly, surprises me that the N7 would not be compatible with seamless updates. I guess Nougat is just coming out too late for that feature to be a consideration for the N7.

    Maybe had the N7 been released at the same time as Nougat, it would have been included. It's not really a hardware issue, is it? With the base model being 64GB, there should be plenty of room for the 2nd partition.
    08-15-2016 10:08 AM
  3. Chuckcell's Avatar
    Seriously considering a Nexsus because I see no way around boatware.
    My Note 3 is full of crap I've never used - Flipboard, AT&T Garbage, Sumsung ditto.
    08-15-2016 10:22 AM
  4. speedlever's Avatar
    Seriously considering a Nexsus because I see no way around boatware.
    My Note 3 is full of crap I've never used - Flipboard, AT&T Garbage, Sumsung ditto.
    I've de-crappified my GS4 as much as I know how to, but confess to being an app junkie. I either need to do a FDR or buy a new phone. And sooner rather than later. My thinking is that if I decide to go N7 and wait until the unlocked versions are sold, I can get one with only Samsung bloatware and no carrier bloatware. Hopefully.
    08-15-2016 10:47 AM
  5. Chuckcell's Avatar
    I wish
    08-15-2016 10:52 AM
  6. speedlever's Avatar
    Well the S7 and S7E are both being sold unlocked now, aren't they? So I would think they would not have any carrier bloat ware involved. I don't see how they could. I expect the N7 to follow suit.
    08-15-2016 11:23 AM
  7. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Maybe had the N7 been released at the same time as Nougat, it would have been included. It's not really a hardware issue, is it? With the base model being 64GB, there should be plenty of room for the 2nd partition.
    This article has some good info on seamless updates. According to them, the partition map isn't designed to be rewritten.

    http://m.androidcentral.com/what-are...will-they-work
    08-15-2016 01:22 PM
  8. vahdyx's Avatar
    Well the S7 and S7E are both being sold unlocked now, aren't they? So I would think they would not have any carrier bloat ware involved. I don't see how they could. I expect the N7 to follow suit.
    I have the S7 Edge unlocked. Ask me anything. I have the US variant though.
    08-15-2016 01:57 PM
  9. shadoweave's Avatar
    No love from AT&T.
    08-15-2016 03:58 PM
  10. speedlever's Avatar
    This article has some good info on seamless updates. According to them, the partition map isn't designed to be rewritten.

    Android 7.0: What are seamless updates and how do they work? | Android Central
    I guess this part is what you're referring to:
    "Seamless updates aren't a requirement for manufacturers. Your existing phone isn't partitioned correctly and won't be able to perform seamless updates. And you don't want a future update to try and repartition it — the internal memory was designed to have its record (a map of where each partition lives) written once and never changed. That means the people who make your next phone might not use the seamless update feature because they don't have to. We know that the 2016 Nexus phones will have it enabled, but nothing beyond that."

    What I don't know is if Samsung planned for that and could implement seamless updates once the N7 updates to Nougat. Or maybe not. Is that not a possibility?
    08-15-2016 09:42 PM
  11. speedlever's Avatar
    I have the S7 Edge unlocked. Ask me anything. I have the US variant though.
    US variant is perfect! (for me)

    Does it indeed come with only Samsung bloat pre-installed? Can any of that be disabled/uninstalled? Is all you had to do was insert the sim card from your old phone and you were good to go with your carrier? Have you received any OTA security updates and/or Android updates since you got it?

    Any idea when the unlocked S7E became available after the S7E was initially launched?
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    08-15-2016 09:45 PM
  12. vahdyx's Avatar
    Does it indeed come with only Samsung bloat pre-installed?

    Yes it does. Things like Samsung Health, Samsung browser (Which I prefer over Chrome), KNOX, Hancon Office Editor, Samsung Print, Samsung+, and what not.

    But to be honest with you it's very minute IMO. I think it's very lean.

    Can any of that be disabled/uninstalled?

    Some of them can; Hancon Office, Samsung Print, Samsung+, Dictionary, and others can.


    Is all you had to do was insert the sim card from your old phone and you were good to go with your carrier?

    Yep, I came from an iPhone 6S Plus, sold it on Swappa to fund my S7E. I didn't do anything other than throw in the T-MOBILE SIM. I tested it on AT&T for like 5 minutes. All was fine. Wi-Fi calling works with T-MOBILE.

    Have you received any OTA security updates and/or Android updates since you got it?

    Unfortunately no, I'm still rocking May 2016 and the T-MOBILE S7E is on July. The rumor is there might not be updates for the unlocked version in the US. There was some controversy on it when Samsung tweeted no updates for this model. As the article stated that's likely false and just someone saying nonsense. But proof is in the pudding, I'm on May.

    Any idea when the unlocked S7E became available after the S7E was initially launched?

    Think it came out last month if I'm not mistaken. The carrier version came out in March? So like 4 months.

    08-15-2016 10:04 PM
  13. vahdyx's Avatar
    US variant is perfect! (for me)

    Does it indeed come with only Samsung bloat pre-installed? Can any of that be disabled/uninstalled? Is all you had to do was insert the sim card from your old phone and you were good to go with your carrier? Have you received any OTA security updates and/or Android updates since you got it?

    Any idea when the unlocked S7E became available after the S7E was initially launched?
    Hope that helps
    08-15-2016 10:05 PM
  14. speedlever's Avatar
    Hope that helps
    Perfect! And thank you.

    It all sounded good until the security update issue reared its ugly head. There are some Samsung things I like (browser, calendar, etc.). But I consider it a deal-killer if updates are even less frequent than those coming from the carrier. I hoped it would be quicker than having to filter through Samsung and then through the carrier. So that's a bit of a downer.

    My GS4 (AT&T) is on 5.0.1 and the security update is from 11-1-2015.
    08-15-2016 10:24 PM
  15. vahdyx's Avatar
    Perfect! And thank you.

    It all sounded good until the security update issue reared its ugly head. There are some Samsung things I like (browser, calendar, etc.). But I consider it a deal-killer if updates are even less frequent than those coming from the carrier. I hoped it would be quicker than having to filter through Samsung and then through the carrier. So that's a bit of a downer.

    My GS4 (AT&T) is on 5.0.1 and the security update is from 11-1-2015.
    Someone predicts that it'll get Nougat faster but not security updates. But that's just hearsay and a shot in the dark.
    08-15-2016 10:35 PM
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