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  1. torbach1's Avatar
    A point though unless lossless, there is no real sonic advantage. Doubtful even 320K MP3 gets any bennie. Even then you need real good on ear or buds to notice. Placebos are powerful stuff otherwise
    You may be right. Placebo is a powerful thing. But I can tell you that the Note 5, S6 with the Wolffson chips were definitely way better than the S7/Edge. There is an audio only review/rating article from the UK that compares phones and rates the S6/S6 Edge(+)/Note 5 well above the S7/Edge and explicitly calls out the S7/Edge for disappointing headphone output. I don't think it was just in my mind. But I wouldn't rule it out either.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    08-10-2016 10:10 PM
  2. rushmore's Avatar
    The key is the output and gain balance. Weak output and gain means distortion when trying to get the output where it should be. Need low impedance and adequate amplification to support the gain.
    08-10-2016 10:57 PM
  3. billykac's Avatar
    When casually listening to music, I stream from Google Play, often to a BT speaker. I am typically cooking or cleaning at these times, or using music as a backdrop to a family get-together. In these settings, extreme audio specs are completely lost. I could be listening to a 60's transistor radio and it wouldn't matter much. For many people, this is all they need and they'd be fine with just about any old audio tech.

    But when I *listen*, I am all in. I play only FLACS (that are really the res they say they are - I check), I only use the Samsung Music app (stellar) on my Note 5 through nice wire headphones/earbuds or if I am mobile, Samsung's incredible Level Pro BT earbuds. I have a FiiO preamp that I may use if I want to better match impedance with certain headphones or to add more gain. In this setting, all of those advanced specs are totally appreciated. My N5 is killer for music and I'd think twice before stepping down to lower specs.

    So, I am hoping that we get the Aqstic codec as referenced above. There more info on the 'net if you do a little research. All good sources as of now seem to say we're getting that audio tech in the N7.
    08-11-2016 06:42 AM
  4. torbach1's Avatar
    I'm about the same, although when I had a phone with good audio, I subscribed to Tidal's higher end service to get the high quality files. I don't have many FLACs because my taste in music has changed enough since my CD buying days that those I do have, I'm not really that interested in, and I don't pay for FLAC quality HD tracks one at a time due to cost. Last time I tried Tidal though, their UI was terrible for playlists. That was a while back though. For work, I fly a bit, and I commute on a relatively quiet subway, so I love listening to high quality music with noise cancelling headphones during those times. Anyway, this can only be good news. If may not be at the HTC 10 or LG V10 level, but it will hopefully be at least at the Note 5 level.
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    08-11-2016 08:19 AM
  5. CehowardNote7's Avatar
    Thanks for all the informative replies. From them I am understanding that the Note 7, here in the USA, will get the same DAC as the S7, which a little inferior to the DAC in the international Note 7. Okay, I can live with that, because it does affect me listening through my Momentum BT HPs. However, I will be switching up and using my E18 Headphone Amp and my Momentum HPs wired to the E18 and E18 to the Note 7. So, I will be by passing the Note 7 DAC altogether. I hope we all get surprised, and the upgraded DAC is in the USA Note 7.
    08-11-2016 08:19 AM
  6. rushmore's Avatar
    Thanks for all the informative replies. From them I am understanding that the Note 7, here in the USA, will get the same DAC as the S7, which a little inferior to the DAC in the international Note 7. Okay, I can live with that, because it does affect me listening through my Momentum BT HPs. However, I will be switching up and using my E18 Headphone Amp and my Momentum HPs wired to the E18 and E18 to the Note 7. So, I will be by passing the Note 7 DAC altogether. I hope we all get surprised, and the upgraded DAC is in the USA Note 7.
    I might of misread something but thought the 820 in the N7 has additional DAC amp circuits. Did I miss?
    08-11-2016 08:28 AM
  7. billykac's Avatar
    I might of misread something but thought the 820 in the N7 has additional DAC amp circuits. Did I miss?
    By all accounts, the N7 will have the Aqstic codec, and should have audio superior to the S7.
    The previous poster might have misunderstood that.
    -bk
    08-11-2016 08:50 AM
  8. RideZeLitenin's Avatar
    Definitely hoping the Note 7 will have improved audio. But on the other hand I'm torn between purchasing the N7 and the LG V20, where the latter of the two is virtually guaranteed to have superb sound thanks to its "32 bit Quad DAC".
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    08-11-2016 09:31 AM
  9. rushmore's Avatar
    Definitely hoping the Note 7 will have improved audio. But on the other hand I'm torn between purchasing the N7 and the LG V20, where the latter of the two is virtually guaranteed to have superb sound thanks to its "32 bit Quad DAC" (Plus the V10 had probably the best audio of any phone, period).
    If you listen mainly to MP3, it is no harm no foul- unless the N7 has crummy audio, then all bets are off I do not like the dual display on the LG and apparently the 20 has this and might be modular again. I will get the N7 and "chance" the device does MP3's justice
    08-11-2016 10:30 AM
  10. Mdbills484's Avatar
    If you listen mainly to MP3, it is no harm no foul- unless the N7 has crummy audio, then all bets are off I do not like the dual display on the LG and apparently the 20 has this and might be modular again. I will get the N7 and "chance" the device does MP3's justice
    I'm not an expert but I believe the V10 upscales MP3's into a much better format.
    08-11-2016 10:59 AM
  11. rushmore's Avatar
    How can you upscale? The bit rate is what it is. You can't really upscale something that does not exist above the current bit rate. You can in market BS though

    FLAC gets some wave refinement since more data to extrapolate from. Even then it is making something from nothing.
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    08-11-2016 12:47 PM
  12. clerk's Avatar
    I believe the N7 supports Aptx for wireless but perhaps not the new Aptx HD spec. I am a little bit concerned about the poor audio in this device. For $900 it seems unacceptable. I am using an HTC 10 right now. Can anyone comment on whether the International Version would be markedly better? Problem is those phones run 900 without any deals. I could pick up an amp for under $100.
    08-11-2016 12:50 PM
  13. cactuspete23's Avatar
    Is Aqstic an actual DAC or is it a software CODEC ? Confusing to me..

    Anyway, hope that the Note 7 ends up with great sound in both versions. Not having great sound is a deal breaker for me.
    08-12-2016 06:36 AM
  14. CehowardNote7's Avatar
    If you listen mainly to MP3, it is no harm no foul- unless the N7 has crummy audio, then all bets are off I do not like the dual display on the LG and apparently the 20 has this and might be modular again. I will get the N7 and "chance" the device does MP3's justice
    I have 80gbs of just FLAC on my Note 4, and maybe about 3 gbs of MP3s, and that is only because I can't get the music in FLAC, and if I want it, I have to go MP3. But, FLAC is 95% of my music, and all my BT headphones have aptx.. FLAC sounds slightly better coming across BT with aptx.

    I am hoping the Note 7 has the upgraded DAC.. From my reading it the same one in the S7, which as I understood, was not all that good. I am a layman at this too.
    08-12-2016 07:13 AM
  15. Aquila's Avatar
    Is Aqstic an actual DAC or is it a software CODEC ? Confusing to me..

    Anyway, hope that the Note 7 ends up with great sound in both versions. Not having great sound is a deal breaker for me.
    "The Qualcomm Aqstic audio codec has an integrated DAC (Digital-to-Analog) converter that supports up to 192-kHz/24-bit playback". https://www.qualcomm.com/news/snapdr...rd-audiophiles

    It is both. The Aqstic system is the codec, integrated DAC and Power Amplifier.
    08-12-2016 08:22 AM
  16. rushmore's Avatar
    I believe the N7 supports Aptx for wireless but perhaps not the new Aptx HD spec. I am a little bit concerned about the poor audio in this device. For $900 it seems unacceptable. I am using an HTC 10 right now. Can anyone comment on whether the International Version would be markedly better? Problem is those phones run 900 without any deals. I could pick up an amp for under $100.
    How can the audio be presumed poor on the 820 Note 7? Most of the codecs and hardware are using the same tech premise and design, but their own marketing spin on what to call it and how to define it. Besides the DAC, the key is the output and gain balance of the device. A very good DAC can be thwarted by a weak output/gain balance.

    A lot of folks do not appreciate that part of the problem is the dB output standards from Europe. This caused a lot of the issues since those standards are used (to a fault) in a lot of portable audio devices globally. Archos is an example of a previously fine audio company that killed their rep following the European standards for audio, but failed to balance the gain with the output. Net result is the past ten years of Archos devices still have crummy audio quality.
    08-12-2016 08:42 AM
  17. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    A point though unless lossless, there is no real sonic advantage. Doubtful even 320K MP3 gets any bennie. Even then you need real good on ear or buds to notice. Placebos are powerful stuff otherwise
    This is not entirely accurate. I have $100 headphones and can easily hear the difference between devices when listening to standard 320Kbps streaming audio.
    08-12-2016 12:47 PM
  18. cactuspete23's Avatar
    So is Asqtic different from the normal/integrated DAC that is included with Snapdragon 820 chips ? Or have the integrated chips now risen to Audiophile quality? I was under the impression that Separate DAC/Amp combinations were needed to get real HIFI sound from smartphones?
    08-14-2016 06:46 AM
  19. torbach1's Avatar
    So is Asqtic different from the normal/integrated DAC that is included with Snapdragon 820 chips ? Or have the integrated chips now risen to Audiophile quality? I was under the impression that Separate DAC/Amp combinations were needed to get real HIFI sound from smartphones?
    It is different to the normal integrated DAC that has been part of the SD820 earlier. I'm not certain if it's integrated or separate, but based on the press releases, it's definitely an upgrade over other SD820 phones. Seems that Qualcomm is offering it as an optional upgrade to OEMs like Samsung. Time and reviews will tell if the real world difference is significant or not.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    08-14-2016 10:18 AM
  20. Roman Akert's Avatar
    It is in your mind.

    Unless you have the SD version the exynos model uses a DAC made by Lucky, co- developed with Wolfson.
    08-14-2016 11:33 AM
  21. torbach1's Avatar
    It is in your mind.

    Unless you have the SD version the exynos model uses a DAC made by Lucky, co- developed with Wolfson.
    Read the comment I posted showing the proof that there is a new (according to Qualcomm, so take with a grain of salt), DAC and based on the specs it should be an improvement over what's in most other SD820 phone outside of the HTC 10 and ZTE Axon 7.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    08-14-2016 11:38 AM
  22. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    I can say with certainty that the Note 7 sounds better than the S7e. I spent a good amount of time today at Best Buy comparing them side-by-side with VERY familiar songs.

    It doesn't really get louder that I can tell, so it's still not going to drive high impedance headphones.
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    08-14-2016 11:01 PM
  23. torbach1's Avatar
    I can say with certainty that the Note 7 sounds better than the S7e. I spent a good amount of time today at Best Buy comparing them side-by-side with VERY familiar songs.

    It doesn't really get louder that I can tell, so it's still not going to drive high impedance headphones.
    Thanks Kevin. I'm very glad to hear that. This was the only real complaint I had about the S7 Edge. So if they've addressed it, even if it's not as good as the LG V10 or the HTC 10, I'll be happy.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    08-14-2016 11:07 PM
  24. billykac's Avatar
    I can say with certainty that the Note 7 sounds better than the S7e. I spent a good amount of time today at Best Buy comparing them side-by-side with VERY familiar songs.

    It doesn't really get louder that I can tell, so it's still not going to drive high impedance headphones.
    Great to hear.
    Looking forward to it!
    08-15-2016 06:20 AM
  25. GBP87's Avatar
    I can say with certainty that the Note 7 sounds better than the S7e. I spent a good amount of time today at Best Buy comparing them side-by-side with VERY familiar songs.

    It doesn't really get louder that I can tell, so it's still not going to drive high impedance headphones.
    All the Best Buy Note7's are Exynos versions, as indicated by the -X model number.

    Edit: unless they had an American carrier branded version unpacked and on demo?
    08-15-2016 06:36 AM
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