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  1. cactuspete23's Avatar
    Great to hear that good quality DAC's are now being integrated into the Phone Chip Packages, rather than needing to add a separate one for Music !
    08-15-2016 07:02 AM
  2. rushmore's Avatar
    I can say with certainty that the Note 7 sounds better than the S7e. I spent a good amount of time today at Best Buy comparing them side-by-side with VERY familiar songs.

    It doesn't really get louder that I can tell, so it's still not going to drive high impedance headphones.
    Samsung strictly follows the Euro standard for dB limits of portable devices. Poweramp has gain increase options to get around this.

    The US versions have the same lowish output as the European devices. Don't know if other regions are same.
    08-15-2016 08:05 AM
  3. CehowardNote7's Avatar
    One thing for sure, I am glad I started this thread. It has pulled in some good audio experts, which is good for all. I am a novice at this music listening stuff. But, I quickly learned a little. I like for it be where I can ditch my DAP (Filo X5ii, and use my N7 for all my audio stuff. I carry 95% FLAC, Sony MK2 BT phones, Senn V2 BT phones and Harmon Kardon BT phones.. All have BT aptx. Going to higher phones shortly, and will be carrying big micro sd card on my Note 7(256gb), which is going to be filled to the brim with flac music, videos,and pics..

    Again, I really enjoy the conversations between the knowledgeable audio heads here.. Great Stuff!
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    08-15-2016 09:07 AM
  4. billykac's Avatar
    Coming from the Note 5, I am looking forward to a Note7 thread like this:

    Note 5 - headphone jack audio performance me… | Samsung Galaxy Note5

    What a great thread for those of us who wanted an under-the-hood look at N5 audio - which is awesome BTW.

    -bk
    08-15-2016 10:04 AM
  5. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    One thing for sure, I am glad I started this thread. It has pulled in some good audio experts, which is good for all. I am a novice at this music listening stuff. But, I quickly learned a little. I like for it be where I can ditch my DAP (Filo X5ii, and use my N7 for all my audio stuff. I carry 95% FLAC, Sony MK2 BT phones, Senn V2 BT phones and Harmon Kardon BT phones.. All have BT aptx. Going to higher phones shortly, and will be carrying big micro sd card on my Note 7(256gb), which is going to be filled to the brim with flac music, videos,and pics..

    Again, I really enjoy the conversations between the knowledgeable audio heads here.. Great Stuff!
    Man, sounds like you're missing out on the real capabilities of that Fiio by only using BT headphones though.

    No matter how good the Note 7 audio is it's not going to match your Fiio. It might be good enough for you to be ok with it, but it won't even be close.
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    08-15-2016 10:08 AM
  6. GBP87's Avatar
    Before we go any further with initial conclusions regarding the Note7's SQ, I think Kevin OQuinn needs to clarify which model he listened to. Again, to my knowledge, the units in the Samsung Experience Stores within Best Buy are model "X" units and contain the Exynos chipset. Therefore, if Kevin OQuinn stated that it sounded better than his S820 S7E, we shouldn't extrapolate the results to the new Aqstic codec in the Note7 S820.

    Like everyone here, I want this Aqstic codec to pan out, but we need to clarify which unit was tested.
    08-15-2016 10:41 AM
  7. RideZeLitenin's Avatar
    I was under the impression that all of the U.S. carriers versions of the Note 7 were SD 820-equipped, so that would be what Kevin OQuinn listened to. I was actually at both a Verizon store and a Best Buy yesterday and had a chance to compare it to my Note 3 and some other phones at the store (including an LG V10).

    I was using the headphones I had on me:
    https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-RP-...cUvbUpU5329255

    In terms of max output / loudness
    Note 3 > Note 7 > LG V10 (at store, dunno if there are V10 hacks to up the output of the ESS dac)
    My Note 3 was just a tiny smidgen louder than the Note 7 at max volume. I would probably say that the Note 7 had more detailed sound and a slightly warmer signature.

    On a side Note (pun), for my first time listening to the V10 I wasn't as blown away with the sound as I expected to be... at least in terms of max volume output. I suppose I was expecting sound along the lines of a Dragonfly (which get pretty damn loud, let me tell you), since they both share the ESS Sabre DAC. That being said, it did boast a very refined, detailed sound. The Note 7 had much louder highs and just seemed "punchier" overall, for better or worse. I can't say one was objectively better than the other (I'm hardly an audiophile by any means, but I do like good sounding music).

    I will probably be returning to Best Buy today to preorder Note 7 today and will have a chance to take another listen with better cans.
    08-15-2016 02:20 PM
  8. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Before we go any further with initial conclusions regarding the Note7's SQ, I think Kevin OQuinn needs to clarify which model he listened to. Again, to my knowledge, the units in the Samsung Experience Stores within Best Buy are model "X" units and contain the Exynos chipset. Therefore, if Kevin OQuinn stated that it sounded better than his S820 S7E, we shouldn't extrapolate the results to the new Aqstic codec in the Note7 S820.

    Like everyone here, I want this Aqstic codec to pan out, but we need to clarify which unit was tested.
    Interesting. I was not aware of that. If I make it over to Best Buy again I'll try and run Aida64.
    08-15-2016 02:26 PM
  9. CehowardNote7's Avatar
    Man, sounds like you're missing out on the real capabilities of that Fiio by only using BT headphones though.

    No matter how good the Note 7 audio is it's not going to match your Fiio. It might be good enough for you to be ok with it, but it won't even be close.
    You are correct, as I stated, I am a learning novice at this point. My Senn BT V2 sound the best and the best of have in the trio and mostly I used the Senn wired... Looking for a good close back headphone at mid high end.. That should do the trick...Any suggestions?

    Thanks for the tips..
    08-16-2016 06:12 AM
  10. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    You are correct, as I stated, I am a learning novice at this point. My Senn BT V2 sound the best and the best of have in the trio and mostly I used the Senn wired... Looking for a good close back headphone at mid high end.. That should do the trick...Any suggestions?

    Thanks for the tips..
    If you're a fan of the "Senn sound" then the Momentum 2 would be a good choice (though they are a bit bassier than open Senns). If you're open to other brands Audio-Technica has the M series which are very well regarded. I have the M40x. They are "flat" sounding which is what I prefer, but the M50x have more of a "fun" sound so they are slightly v-shaped, with more bass and a bit more treble.

    Going a bit higher-end, there are the NAD Viso HP50's, and the Oppo PM3's.

    All of the above are over-ear so they're going to be a bit less portable than on-ear designs. If you're looking for something that is super portable I'd recommend the V-Moda XS. I have them and they are great.

    Honestly, there are a LOT of great headphones out there. It can be hard, but try to listen to a few to get an idea of what you like. You can read all day long about them, but that won't do much if you haven't heard them to be able to apply those reviews and opinions to your own experience.
    08-16-2016 09:54 AM
  11. shadow82x's Avatar
    Can someone who has the N7 SD820 post their audio observations? Does it get loud through the 3.5mm jack? How's the sound quality?
    08-16-2016 10:20 PM
  12. Torm558's Avatar
    Not sure what the confusion is about for this anymore... It's very specifically released by Qualcomm themselves that the note 7 has the same Aqstic audio as the HTC 10.

    "The Qualcomm Aqstic audio codec has an integrated DAC (Digital-to-Analog) converter that supports up to 192-kHz/24-bit playback"

    "A Qualcomm Snapdragon powered smartphone with integrated Qualcomm Aqstic audio codec is engineered to deliver those sounds—no additional equipment (or dollars) needed. And there has been no shortage of smartphones featuring Qualcomm Aqstic, including the HTC 10 and Xiaomi Mi"

    And the link stating this is the same technology going into the note 7:
    https://www.qualcomm.com/news/snapdr...telligent-tech
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    08-16-2016 11:45 PM
  13. billykac's Avatar
    Regarding BT earbuds, don't overlook Samsungs Level Pro earbuds. They are specifically made to work with certain Samsung phones and they far exceed any BT earbuds (in my experience) b/c of their proprietary UHQA protocol. No BT limitations. The Level Pros easily hang with my wired Shure in-ear monitors and Audio-Technica over-ears.

    IMO, yet another freakin' amazing Samsung product that is totally overlooked.
    Check 'em out if you are in the market.
    08-17-2016 06:24 AM
  14. cactuspete23's Avatar
    Aqstic must be Qualcomm's answer to ESS and Wolfson DAC's with headphone amp.
    08-17-2016 06:48 AM
  15. Mdbills484's Avatar
    Looks like the snapdragon version isn't much better than the GS7 but GSM arena reviewed the exynos version and found audio quality to be loud and excellent.

    Looks like I'm holding out for the unlocked international version.
    08-17-2016 03:56 PM
  16. torbach1's Avatar
    Looks like the snapdragon version isn't much better than the GS7 but GSM arena reviewed the exynos version and found audio quality to be loud and excellent.

    Looks like I'm holding out for the unlocked international version.
    If you look at the specs that gsm arena gave for the two phones on audio, they are identical - ie. a 24-bit/192KHz audio. Also, they have a separate review for the US Note7 in which they said exactly the same about audio. In addition, if you get an International version, you can't take advantage of things like VoLTE and VoWiFi on T-Mobile, etc. At least you couldn't with the S7/Edge.
    08-17-2016 04:04 PM
  17. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    If you look at the specs that gsm arena gave for the two phones on audio, they are identical - ie. a 24-bit/192KHz audio. Also, they have a separate review for the US Note7 in which they said exactly the same about audio. In addition, if you get an International version, you can't take advantage of things like VoLTE and VoWiFi on T-Mobile, etc. At least you couldn't with the S7/Edge.
    Yeah, many devices can play back high resolution files. Those are not the specs that matter.

    In reality specs don't mean much for audio quality.
    Not sure what the confusion is about for this anymore... It's very specifically released by Qualcomm themselves that the note 7 has the same Aqstic audio as the HTC 10.

    "The Qualcomm Aqstic audio codec has an integrated DAC (Digital-to-Analog) converter that supports up to 192-kHz/24-bit playback"

    "A Qualcomm Snapdragon powered smartphone with integrated Qualcomm Aqstic audio codec is engineered to deliver those sounds—no additional equipment (or dollars) needed. And there has been no shortage of smartphones featuring Qualcomm Aqstic, including the HTC 10 and Xiaomi Mi"

    And the link stating this is the same technology going into the note 7:
    https://www.qualcomm.com/news/snapdr...telligent-tech
    Weird. Aqstic must have been ready much earlier than was made public. The HTC 10 launched much earlier than June when aqstic was announced.
    Aqstic must be Qualcomm's answer to ESS and Wolfson DAC's with headphone amp.
    Sure it's a response, but I don't the quality is the same.
    08-17-2016 06:28 PM
  18. torbach1's Avatar
    Yeah, many devices can play back high resolution files. Those are not the specs that matter.

    In reality specs don't mean much for audio quality.

    Weird. Aqstic must have been ready much earlier than was made public. The HTC 10 launched much earlier than June when aqstic was announced.

    Sure it's a response, but I don't the quality is the same.
    I think the only way we'll know for sure is to try. For me it's important that the audio quality is better than the US S7 Edge. So the fact that there is this aqstic is keeping me a bit optimistic about it, since Samsung could have just chosen the regular SD820 without it like it did for the S7/Edge, but chose not to. Hopefully they did so because of feedback, and hopefully it will be significantly better. We'll know (again hopefully) later this week.

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    08-17-2016 06:37 PM
  19. cactuspete23's Avatar
    For my "older ears" I find that a GOOD recording at 16/44.1 (CD quality), sounds great with good earphones. So, though 24/192 has more audio information, it's way beyond what I can hear' and it makes huge files to store. Usually, I will resample 24/192 down to 24/48 for portable devices.

    Having a DAC that ia able to do higher rates, is kind of like having an Amp that can provide several times more power than I need for Speakers. It helps ensure that sound quality is clean and clear when it is "loafing" along....

    A really good headphone amp, can make a DAC that is limited to CD quality, really sound great ! A poor headphone amp can make a 32/384 DAC sound like crap...

    Why does Samsung make Enyos and Snapdragon versions of their phones? Seems like that takes extra/un-needed effort?
    08-18-2016 07:13 AM
  20. torbach1's Avatar
    For my "older ears" I find that a GOOD recording at 16/44.1 (CD quality), sounds great with good earphones. So, though 24/192 has more audio information, it's way beyond what I can hear' and it makes huge files to store. Usually, I will resample 24/192 down to 24/48 for portable devices.

    Having a DAC that ia able to do higher rates, is kind of like having an Amp that can provide several times more power than I need for Speakers. It helps ensure that sound quality is clean and clear when it is "loafing" along....

    A really good headphone amp, can make a DAC that is limited to CD quality, really sound great ! A poor headphone amp can make a 32/384 DAC sound like crap...

    Why does Samsung make Enyos and Snapdragon versions of their phones? Seems like that takes extra/un-needed effort?
    One of the reasons that they keep using Snapdragon is that Qualcomm still owns the patent for CDMA, and it's cheaper to get a CPU integrated with CDMA than to build an Exynos chip and then pay Qualcomm separately for a separate CDMA module.
    08-18-2016 07:42 AM
  21. cactuspete23's Avatar
    Thanks, I did not know that.
    08-19-2016 06:55 AM
  22. billykac's Avatar
    One of the reasons that they keep using Snapdragon is that Qualcomm still owns the patent for CDMA, and it's cheaper to get a CPU integrated with CDMA than to build an Exynos chip and then pay Qualcomm separately for a separate CDMA module.
    Exactly the case.
    Looking forward to my own assessment of the N7 audio later today. I won't be measuring anything, just comparing to the N5 - which is awesome IMO.
    08-19-2016 07:12 AM
  23. CehowardNote7's Avatar
    Man, sounds like you're missing out on the real capabilities of that Fiio by only using BT headphones though.

    No matter how good the Note 7 audio is it's not going to match your Fiio. It might be good enough for you to be ok with it, but it won't even be close.
    As you know, my Filo X5ii is not BT.. I can only my BT headphones WIRED to the Filo. I heard the Filo X7 is BT... Will see..I do plan on going up a notch to some good close back high end cans..
    08-19-2016 09:17 AM
  24. CehowardNote7's Avatar
    If you're a fan of the "Senn sound" then the Momentum 2 would be a good choice (though they are a bit bassier than open Senns). If you're open to other brands Audio-Technica has the M series which are very well regarded. I have the M40x. They are "flat" sounding which is what I prefer, but the M50x have more of a "fun" sound so they are slightly v-shaped, with more bass and a bit more treble.



    All of the above are over-ear so they're going to be a bit less portable than on-ear designs. If you're looking for something that is super portable I'd recommend the V-Moda XS. I have them and they are great.

    Honestly, there are a LOT of great headphones out there. It can be hard, but try to listen to a few to get an idea of what you like. You can read all day long about them, but that won't do much if you haven't heard them to be able to apply those reviews and opinions to your own experience.

    "Going a bit higher-end, there are the NAD Viso HP50's, and the Oppo PM3's."

    Yup, the above is where I am headed...
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    08-19-2016 09:19 AM
  25. CehowardNote7's Avatar
    Exactly the case.
    Looking forward to my own assessment of the N7 audio later today. I won't be measuring anything, just comparing to the N5 - which is awesome IMO.
    Waiting to hear from you.. To me, all this audio information is a feast...
    08-19-2016 09:23 AM
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