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  1. keepnitreel's Avatar
    As much as samsung had lil Wayne dunk the S7 in the fish tank and pour champagne all over the phone. I doubt they'll void the warranty for water damage
    08-10-2016 12:24 PM
  2. keepnitreel's Avatar
    Any good videos you wanna link our way, I've seen a few but I'd love to see some cool ones.
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    08-10-2016 12:25 PM
  3. PlaybookFanatic's Avatar


    But you know, folks still won't hear you. LOL

    I wanna click the vids, but I don't wanna spoil the 19th!
    08-10-2016 12:33 PM
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    We have some up now! Thanks though!
    08-10-2016 12:33 PM
  5. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    As much as samsung had lil Wayne dunk the S7 in the fish tank and pour champagne all over the phone. I doubt they'll void the warranty for water damage
    Ok, last thing. The operations manager at Samsung told me all water damage voids the warranty, it is in all paperwork you sign.

    You want to use your phone in water, go for it. I would suggest you contact Samsung Plus and verify the warranty and water damage on the phone.
    08-10-2016 12:37 PM
  6. Preach2k's Avatar
    The Galaxy Note 7 is waterproof with an IP68 rating http://www.androidcentral.com/galaxy...of-ip68-rating
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    08-10-2016 12:39 PM
  7. jshah500's Avatar
    Honestly, I just wanted to know for the shower and if it's raining outside, if I should keep the pen in or if I'd be ok taking it out. Several people answered my question and I should be good to go. Thanks for the help!
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    08-10-2016 12:41 PM
  8. PlaybookFanatic's Avatar
    The Galaxy Note 7 is waterproof with an IP68 rating The Galaxy Note 7 is waterproof with an IP68 rating | Android Central
    I'm only using my phone in the shower and home pools lol.
    08-10-2016 12:41 PM
  9. PlaybookFanatic's Avatar
    Honestly, I just wanted to know for the shower and if it's raining outside, if I should keep the pen in or if I'd be ok taking it out. Several people answered my question and I should be good to go. Thanks for the help!
    Welcome!
    08-10-2016 12:41 PM
  10. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Honestly, I just wanted to know for the shower and if it's raining outside, if I should keep the pen in or if I'd be ok taking it out. Several people answered my question and I should be good to go. Thanks for the help!
    Rain outside you should be fine. You don't want to stand in a downpour.

    The spen has the same rating.

    The water resistant rating is for accidents, not for a waterproof phone. Every year that Samsung has a water resistant phone, people buy a new phone and dunk it in water and then get upset if water gets in and there is water damage and no warranty.
    08-10-2016 12:44 PM
  11. keepnitreel's Avatar
    I'll be using my N7 on a selfie stick to take underwater pics and videos of my fish inside my 160 gallon fish tank
    08-10-2016 01:04 PM
  12. ConstantDefector's Avatar
    Rain outside you should be fine. You don't want to stand in a downpour.

    The spen has the same rating.

    The water resistant rating is for accidents, not for a waterproof phone. Every year that Samsung has a water resistant phone, people buy a new phone and dunk it in water and then get upset if water gets in and there is water damage and no warranty.
    I really do get what you're saying but Samsung is deliberately misleading people by showing the phones underwater. If it has a water contact sensor that voids the warranty, then they should NOT be showing the phones underwater.

    They should just list it as IP68 and state that it may be protected during ACCIDENTAL submersion or splashes.

    I believe it's a false campaign. Sure, I know there are manuals and terms of agreement. There are even super tiny print on the commercials. Still, it's wrong of them to void the warranty if you use it as they advertise it.

    This is like watching a lawnmower commercial, in which the mower is mowing grass, buying said mower, using it to cut grass, as was done in said commercial, then it breaks and they don't offer warranty service. No matter what the consumer responsibility is, it's a very middle finger campaign. Samsung I mean.

    If you show your **** underwater, then you damn well better back it up with a proper warranty.

    With that said, I'll be using mine in the shower. Which is probabaly a horrible idea as steam may be able to penetrate easier than full submersion?

    Also, "****" is censored but "damn" isn't. Weird.
    08-10-2016 02:42 PM
  13. seafoodlover88's Avatar
    Ok, last thing. The operations manager at Samsung told me all water damage voids the warranty, it is in all paperwork you sign.

    You want to use your phone in water, go for it. I would suggest you contact Samsung Plus and verify the warranty and water damage on the phone.
    This is where Samsung is so shady. It is indeed a touchy subject but one that put the blame on their customer instead of themselves. I honestly don't know if anything Samsung advertise is actually real. With that said, I think it would be possible to sue Samsung for false advertising if one get a very good lawyer. Samsung have had lawsuits against them before and lost but I'm not sure if this was one of them. I still be wary. However if you use it for less than 30 minutes and at 1 feet of water or less and it got water damage, then I would definitely take Samsung to court since that what they recommend with their phone. As long as it not under 5 feet of water and longer than 30 minutes.
    08-10-2016 02:53 PM
  14. srkmagnus's Avatar
    Honestly, I just wanted to know for the shower and if it's raining outside, if I should keep the pen in or if I'd be ok taking it out. Several people answered my question and I should be good to go. Thanks for the help!
    The phone retains its rating with or without the S Pen inserted. Meaning, if the Note 7 gets wet with the S Pen inserted you won't have to worry about the water damaging the device through the opening as it's still protected.

    Some information on the rating: The Galaxy Note 7 is waterproof with an IP68 rating http://www.androidcentral.com/galaxy...of-ip68-rating
    08-10-2016 02:56 PM
  15. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    Ok, last thing. The operations manager at Samsung told me all water damage voids the warranty, it is in all paperwork you sign.

    You want to use your phone in water, go for it. I would suggest you contact Samsung Plus and verify the warranty and water damage on the phone.
    Thanks. I think everyone has a solid understanding that what you've said it's reality. At the same time, let people discuss the IP68 feature of this phone without derailing the thread each time. Maybe we could have a sticky where you just repeat that it's water RESISTANT and not water PROOF? Thanks for making sure people know this, because it is important. But I think everyone is covered now.

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    08-10-2016 02:58 PM
  16. natehoy's Avatar
    I'm only using my phone in the shower and home pools lol.
    The shower may actually be a problem, though. The water ingress rating in IP is not "bigger number is better".

    IPx7 and IPx8 address immersion in still water only. IPx1-6 address protection against moving water. In order to use it in the shower you would want at LEAST an IPx3 rating.

    Using it in the pool (as long as you dunk it gently) - pen in or out - is likely perfectly fine, though Sammy probably has some legalese that says "don't do what we show you in our ads for this phone as it will void your warranty" so you might have a struggle if you get a defective unit. There is no more truth in advertising any more, sadly. But at least it has been tested and you can be reasonably confident it works.

    The shower is a very different story. Moving water puts more pressure on gaskets and seals, and without a 1-6 rating you have no guarantee it has been tested against those pressures.
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    08-10-2016 03:00 PM
  17. PlaybookFanatic's Avatar
    Thanks. I think everyone has a solid understanding that what you've said it's reality. At the same time, let people discuss the IP68 feature of this phone without derailing the thread each time. Maybe we could have a sticky where you just repeat that it's water RESISTANT and not water PROOF? Thanks for making sure people know this, because it is important. But I think everyone is covered now.

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    Exactly. It's extremely annoying each and every time, and detracts from folks wanting to participate in the forums (it turned me off).

    But I am wondering what your thoughts on the whole matter of IP68, and the way it's being presented?
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    08-10-2016 03:05 PM
  18. PlaybookFanatic's Avatar
    The shower may actually be a problem, though. The water ingress rating in IP is not "bigger number is better".

    IPx7 and IPx8 address immersion in still water only. IPx1-6 address protection against moving water. In order to use it in the shower you would want at LEAST an IPx3 rating.

    Using it in the pool (as long as you dunk it gently) - pen in or out - is likely perfectly fine, though Sammy probably has some legalese that says "don't do what we show you in our ads for this phone as it will void your warranty" so you might have a struggle if you get a defective unit. There is no more truth in advertising any more, sadly. But at least it has been tested and you can be reasonably confident it works.

    The shower is a very different story. Moving water puts more pressure on gaskets and seals, and without a 1-6 rating you have no guarantee it has been tested against those pressures.
    That's interesting. I wonder why they'd do that. I take my phones in the bathroom/shower with me now, so I know this one SHOULD be up to the task. But as always, I'll be careful/aware.
    08-10-2016 03:09 PM
  19. natehoy's Avatar
    That's interesting. I wonder why they'd do that. I take my phones in the bathroom/shower with me now, so I know this one SHOULD be up to the task. But as always, I'll be careful/aware.
    The IPx1-6 / IPx7-8 issue has been very confusing to a great number of people for a long time.

    I guess someone at some point thought it would be simpler to just make a new category starting at "7" to cover a completely new kind of test (immersion). Personally, I think it would have been more logical to add a third digit, but (probably thankfully) no one ever put me in charge of setting standards, because the mistakes I'd make would be much larger than that. LOL

    The upshot is that the IP68 rating is great, because as long as the manufacturer makes units consistently and backs up that rating with a warranty, that means you can take pictures in the pool, which is awesome, and you can do so with the S-Pen out.

    It will *probably* survive the shower. But we're not talking even, consistent, low pressures. We're talking higher pressures at specific points because the water is moving.

    Think of it this way: Set a smooth 5-pound brick gently on your phone screen. No worries. Very low pounds per square inch and the chances of damage are extremely low. Now take a half-pound ball bearing and drop it from 12 inches. 1/10 the weight, but the momentum adds force, and the concentration of that force into one place means your chances of damaging screen are much, much higher.

    Same basic thing is happening with water. Streams of water under pressure can get through a barrier that a still body of water cannot. And vice versa. That's why there are two ratings. It just sucks that they are covered under a single number.

    90% chance you are fine in the shower, or running the tap over your phone to rinse it off. Engineers tend to try to build to a better spec than they need to. But it's not rated for that at all.
    08-10-2016 03:37 PM
  20. PlaybookFanatic's Avatar
    The IPx1-6 / IPx7-8 issue has been very confusing to a great number of people for a long time.

    I guess someone at some point thought it would be simpler to just make a new category starting at "7" to cover a completely new kind of test (immersion). Personally, I think it would have been more logical to add a third digit, but (probably thankfully) no one ever put me in charge of setting standards, because the mistakes I'd make would be much larger than that. LOL

    The upshot is that the IP68 rating is great, because as long as the manufacturer makes units consistently and backs up that rating with a warranty, that means you can take pictures in the pool, which is awesome, and you can do so with the S-Pen out.

    It will *probably* survive the shower. But we're not talking even, consistent, low pressures. We're talking higher pressures at specific points because the water is moving.

    Think of it this way: Set a smooth 5-pound brick gently on your phone screen. No worries. Very low pounds per square inch and the chances of damage are extremely low. Now take a half-pound ball bearing and drop it from 12 inches. 1/10 the weight, but the momentum adds force, and the concentration of that force into one place means your chances of damaging screen are much, much higher.

    Same basic thing is happening with water. Streams of water under pressure can get through a barrier that a still body of water cannot. And vice versa. That's why there are two ratings. It just sucks that they are covered under a single number.

    90% chance you are fine in the shower, or running the tap over your phone to rinse it off. Engineers tend to try to build to a better spec than they need to. But it's not rated for that at all.
    And that's how I've always understood it. I just wish the companies would be more transparent with this and how they want to handle warranties.

    My biggest question is: can I take a picture underwater in the pool, or not? I know you shouldn't do it OFTEN, but you can...right?
    08-10-2016 03:42 PM
  21. beh's Avatar
    You are annoyingly pretentious. The OP asked a question that was/is extremely relevant, and you decided to do everything BUT answerthe question. People like you make it hard for people to want to ask questions here because of attitudes like this.

    In other news...

    Theoretically, the phone can fall in the water with the pen out and be fine, OP. And quite honestly, I'd love to take mine to the pool with me every now and again...and intend to do just that!
    I agree with your analysis but would not call someone "annoyingly pretentious". NOT
    In my experience many folks can't tell the difference between answering the question asked and sermonizing.
    08-10-2016 03:42 PM
  22. PlaybookFanatic's Avatar
    I agree with your analysis but would not call someone "annoyingly pretentious". In my experience many folks can't tell the difference between answering the question asked and sermonizing.
    I had just woke up, so it's the first thing I thought. LOL But thanks for understanding what I was saying.
    08-10-2016 03:47 PM
  23. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    Exactly. It's extremely annoying each and every time, and detracts from folks wanting to participate in the forums (it turned me off).

    But I am wondering what your thoughts on the whole matter of IP68, and the way it's being presented?
    Mixed feelings. I think Samsung does a fantastic job, but they need to cover water damage. It's tough, I get it. Because some idiots out there will do stupid tests to push the limits, and then expect Samsung to replace it. Or they'll lie about it and say there weren't doing what they were.

    At the same time, you advertise water resistance as a primary feature, and even have display models submerged for people to use, you have to expect you'll replace a few damaged devices. It would be nice if they had some sort of pressure sensor inside that they could tap into on damaged devices to see if the user had submerged the phone in water too deep.

    And I've never had a water RESISTANT device before, so I kinda like talking about it and how it could be useful without people constantly stating the obvious and destroying the conversation flow to do so.

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    08-10-2016 04:04 PM
  24. PlaybookFanatic's Avatar
    Mixed feelings. I think Samsung does a fantastic job, but they need to cover water damage. It's tough, I get it. Because some idiots out there will do stupid tests to push the limits, and then expect Samsung to replace it. Or they'll lie about it and say there weren't doing what they were.

    At the same time, you advertise water resistance as a primary feature, and even have display models submerged for people to use, you have to expect you'll replace a few damaged devices. It would be nice if they had some sort of pressure sensor inside that they could tap into on damaged devices to see if the user had submerged the phone in water too deep.

    And I've never had a water RESISTANT device before, so I kinda like talking about it and how it could be useful without people constantly stating the obvious and destroying the conversation flow to do so.

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    I agree with all of this.
    08-10-2016 04:57 PM
  25. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Mixed feelings. I think Samsung does a fantastic job, but they need to cover water damage. It's tough, I get it. Because some idiots out there will do stupid tests to push the limits, and then expect Samsung to replace it. Or they'll lie about it and say there weren't doing what they were.

    At the same time, you advertise water resistance as a primary feature, and even have display models submerged for people to use, you have to expect you'll replace a few damaged devices. It would be nice if they had some sort of pressure sensor inside that they could tap into on damaged devices to see if the user had submerged the phone in water too deep.

    And I've never had a water RESISTANT device before, so I kinda like talking about it and how it could be useful without people constantly stating the obvious and destroying the conversation flow to do so.

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    Not a problem in the world talking about it at all. Talk and talk about it.

    No one is discouraging you from talking about it. Samsung goes dramatic on their commercials and their fine print generally says more.

    The biggest thing it says and they said, water damage is a warranty void. Right now they are replacing some S7 Actives but people aren't satisfied with the answers they are getting. They are doing that because Samsung identified a defect.

    You can discuss it all day long, you can put your phone in the bathtub. I relayed what Samsung said about water damage and the S7 and Note 7 specifically. I answered the OP about the spen, I answered the questions about why the water damage would put it out of warranty, I never said don't discuss.

    So again, if you want to discuss me also please do so in inbox, that derails a convo always.
    08-10-2016 05:34 PM
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