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  1. msm0511's Avatar
    Mod Note, opened again after a bit of cleaning. This thread has merit however, people can't seem to follow the rules. Just remember - P.U.P.P.A.H
    (Be Polite, Understanding, Patient, Professional, Attentive and Helpful)

    Please... If you see something inappropriate, please use the report post to Moderator button instead of piling on or calling someone a troll or whatever... I don't want to see this thread closed, but if people can't behave then it will be.
    I believe it has merit too.


    I've noticed some stutter with animations on my Note 7 that I never had on my midrange $300 phone. Seems weird to me that Samsung can't figure this out. It's their own animations that are giving me problems. Not having any lags, crashes, or reboots which is obviously more important. I know I can turn the animations off, but I kinda like em. If they were smooth that is.
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    08-22-2016 10:18 AM
  2. canonuevo's Avatar
    Also, you assume that everyone here is about as dumb as a box of rocks and can't make up our own minds.
    There is no perfect phone and people spend their money on what they want. We don't need, AnandTech, XDA, you, me, Android Central, etc... to tell us what we should and should not buy. I buy what I want use and make up my own mind.

    By the way I do 100% agree with this "The only audience I can really recommend this to are people that are absolutely set on a Samsung phablet, and even then if you won’t miss the S-Pen I think the S7 edge is pretty much the same experience for 100-200 USD less when the extra money gets you so little other than an extra 32GB of internal storage".

    That is unless you want Black. which I did so it was worth the extra $100 to me. I don't give a fig about the S-Pen. Best phone I ever owned was a Lumia 1520 that thing was a tank. I just wish Microsoft had a good smartwatch solution and I'd still be a WindowsPhone user.
    I also had a 1520, one of the best phones I ever had. That app gap just killed me.
    08-22-2016 10:24 AM
  3. PraetorianGuard14's Avatar
    How do people define lag on smartphones? Are we talking seconds? Miliseconds? I think it's more of a physiological response and phenomena than an actual software issue.
    08-22-2016 10:24 AM
  4. Aquila's Avatar
    What's the complaint?
    08-22-2016 10:25 AM
  5. ThrottleJohnny's Avatar
    Read what I wrote above and you'll see that some stock fans do understand! I just happen to have a different opinion.
    I was speaking generally. There's nothing wrong with a dissenting opinion, it's great for discussion. But there are others who think Samsung fans must fall for some sort of marketing hype, which isn't always true either.

    I love Samsung hardware. To me it's the best in the business. This allows me to deal with the UI quirks.
    08-22-2016 10:26 AM
  6. petvas72's Avatar
    How do people define lag on smartphones? Are we talking seconds? Miliseconds? I think it's more of a physiological response and phenomena than an actual software issue.
    It's mostly how quick the phone responds to a tap. On my Nexus 6P that I had, sometimes when I tap to open an App you see a stutter. 1 or 2 seconds later the app would load. WIth Nougat the lags disappeared. With Marshmallow I had to reboot the device every three to four days.
    So for me at least, is how responsive a phone is.
    08-22-2016 10:27 AM
  7. neil123456's Avatar
    I think it is fair to say that due to touch wiz and all the added features the Note 7 may not be as smooth or fluid as other phones.

    Is there a thread where users could post tweaks/mods/actions to exclusively help maintain/improve the performance of the Note 7? That way all Note users could have a central place to reference addressing this issues?

    I know there are some online articles that do this put I feel that there must be a lot of knowledge on this forum alone to create many different things users can do do address/improve performance.
    08-22-2016 10:29 AM
  8. sangs's Avatar
    I've really been thinking about this. Samsung has the power, money, and brand recognition to tell the carriers to f off at this point. They could easily get deals like Apple with no carrier software, no carrier branding, and direct updates from Samsung w/o carrier involvement. I don't understand why they don't unless they're afraid the carriers won't push their phones as much as they currently do.
    Could be the result of some existing contracts that haven't expired or been renegotiated?
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    08-22-2016 10:35 AM
  9. PraetorianGuard14's Avatar
    It's mostly how quick the phone responds to a tap. On my Nexus 6P that I had, sometimes when I tap to open an App you see a stutter. 1 or 2 seconds later the app would load. WIth Nougat the lags disappeared. With Marshmallow I had to reboot the device every three to four days.
    So for me at least, is how responsive a phone is.
    I think we've been spoiled in terms of how responsive our fans get. I think smartphones have a physiological effect overtime.
    08-22-2016 10:53 AM
  10. archer75's Avatar
    I have no lag with my note 7 and just disable the bloat. Between my note 7, 6p and iphone 6s, I cant tell any difference in performance. Although, I do have a moto z force and it is faster than all 3.
    I'm still waiting on my note 7 to come in but my wife has hers. Compared to my iphone 6s plus the performance difference between the two is VERY noticeable.
    08-22-2016 10:56 AM
  11. thegame161's Avatar
    I have an HTC 10. Before that I had a Nexus 6P and before that an iPhone 6S Plus.

    I love my HTC 10 and it is really a shame that it is not selling better (blame HTC for that).
    This is the thing marketing is huge. On paper the iPhone may not seen anything special in terms of specs when you compare it with the comp but it's marketed so well people will buy it no matter what it has

    HTC 10 is a great device and when I saw that one carrier in the US no longer sells the device is embarrassing. Sales is an issue for them which is why I have to wonder about their long term future.
    08-22-2016 10:56 AM
  12. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    For the record, my Note7 is an Exynos variant. I wouldn't say it's lag-free, since all phones lag at some point, but so far, I haven't really experienced any serious performance issue. According to the article, the test was done on a Snapdragon-powered variant. Not deriding the 820 here, but it seems to be theme with Samsung devices, that the Exynos would perform better.

    However, the only thing that's really bugging me is the keyboard lag in SwiftKey. It's terrible, especially for a fast-typer like me. Not sure if it's the phone or the keyboard, since the phone has performed quite well in other tasks.

    I'm going to wait a bit for more Snapdragon Note7 users to share their experience, but my personal experience with my Exynos unit is alright.
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    08-22-2016 11:02 AM
  13. EnemiesInTheEnd's Avatar
    The Note 7 Still Delivers Embarrassing Real-World Performance

    I wonder why many publications, including Android Central do not mention these issues..

    I wouldn't expect anything better from a Samsung device. Touchwiz is still a badly written software that makes Android look bloated and bad.
    I only trust AnandTech and XDA. Both are less than impressed with the Note 7.

    I wish that people stop listening to the marketing hype and stop supporting Samsung. There are so many devices out there that are better.
    There aren't better phones on the planet than Samsung phones. They're the full package. You have to keep in mind that the Note 7 is using hardware that has been around for a while now and if you don't like the "lag", just switch to a different launcher. I'm using Microsoft's Arrow Launcher on my phone right now and love it.
    08-22-2016 11:04 AM
  14. EnemiesInTheEnd's Avatar
    There aren't better phones on the planet than Samsung phones. They're the full package. You have to keep in mind that the Note 7 is using hardware that has been around for a while now and if you don't like the "lag", just switch to a different launcher. I'm using Microsoft's Arrow Launcher on my phone right now and love it.
    Just to clarify, my phone is the Note 5.
    08-22-2016 11:05 AM
  15. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    There aren't better phones on the planet than Samsung phones. They're the full package. You have to keep in mind that the Note 7 is using hardware that has been around for a while now and if you don't like the "lag", just switch to a different launcher. I'm using Microsoft's Arrow Launcher on my phone right now and love it.
    He's not talking about the launcher. He's talking about the UX as a whole.

    Launchers don't fix everything.
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    08-22-2016 11:06 AM
  16. jdfry15's Avatar
    I believe it has merit too.


    I've noticed some stutter with animations on my Note 7 that I never had on my midrange $300 phone. Seems weird to me that Samsung can't figure this out. It's their own animations that are giving me problems. Not having any lags, crashes, or reboots which is obviously more important. I know I can turn the animations off, but I kinda like em. If they were smooth that is.
    Are you using stock or a launcher? I use nova prime and don't see a log of lag, but on occasions I will see some hiccups or apps open slow. I don't know if that is on the phone or on the apps. I came from the iphone 6s plus and the note 5 and I think it is funny people say the iphone never has problems. It can get lag too, just not as bad or noticeable.
    08-22-2016 11:07 AM
  17. SteelGator's Avatar
    It's amazing how many threads I have seen with the basic premise that "marketing makes them do it". Marketing can not turn a bad device into a good one, though way to many marketing teams have tried. Good marketing understand the needs in the market place, then tells a story about how the brand meets those needs. It creates a promise for their customers. If the brand cannot live up to the promise, the brand will fail. It is that simple. The fact that Samsung continues to grow its share demonstrates that their devices are meeting a large market need. Not all needs, to be sure, but clearly a large one.

    A great case study of great marketing vs. bad product: New Coke. That product had a marketing budget behind it that was unrivaled, and marketing teams that are widely recognized as among the best period. No amount of marketing was able to save the product. They brought the original back and killed the new.

    Every device, and I mean every device, is a balance. Everybody will put different weights on different parts of the experience, and our perception will be shaped by the overall experience. Folks that are biased towards speed specs and light weight OS will experience the Note differently than those with a bias towards a rich feature set. Samsung tells a feature story in their marketing, not a spec story. In fact, so much so, that Note die hards have complained about the lack of spec advancement from the S7. Samsung made a choice, one they believe will serve their targeted customers the best. Sales will determine if the Note 7 is a success, and repeat sales will let you know if Samsung continually delivers on customer needs.

    I chose the Note 7, not becuase of marketing, but becuase I like the features it has. The Note 7 story does resonate with me, and so far, the Note has paid off its promises to me. I am very happy. I love the way it looks and feels in my hands, and I love the things I can do with the phone. If there are small hiccups on scrolling, I personlly can live with that.

    Could Samsung devices be smoother? Probably. Could they do a better job coding? Probably. Is it what the MARKET is demanding? Doesn't seem so.
    08-22-2016 11:23 AM
  18. Jona005's Avatar
    having had several Samsung phones in the past, I was well aware of certain lag that occurs with these phones. Especially coming from a nexus 6p. That said, tweaking enough settings and using package disabler pro, I'm pleased with how my Note 7 is running.
    08-22-2016 11:32 AM
  19. jamesrick80's Avatar
    Note 7 does more than any other phone...the device is fast enough
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    08-22-2016 11:46 AM
  20. Citizen Coyote's Avatar
    However, the only thing that's really bugging me is the keyboard lag in SwiftKey. It's terrible, especially for a fast-typer like me. Not sure if it's the phone or the keyboard, since the phone has performed quite well in other tasks.
    I don't know if this is a problem with the Note 7. SwiftKey has been giving me fits for a while now on my 2014 Moto X. Lag, completely misinterpreting my movement, bizarre autocorrects that bear no resemblance to what I typed. Ugh. I'm close to ditching it, and I've been using it for years.
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    08-22-2016 11:51 AM
  21. pool_shark's Avatar
    I don't think tech enthusiasts would buy a phone on marketing hype, but the general public will and does. Then you also have the carriers that push Samsung because it's generally an easy sell. I can't remember the last time I went into a carrier store that didn't push Samsung first. I've even had reps push Samsung on me even after they tell me that they use a different phone as their personal phone.

    The only point I guess I'm trying to make is that Samsung has both marketing and the extreme push from carriers to help sell their devices. I have the Note 7 and I like it. Not trying to down Samsung or their users, as I am now one. No marketing involved though. The display, camera, and S-Pen pushed me to the Note.
    There are millions of people who are followers, it's the reason companies use celebrities in advertising.
    The OP in my opinion implied the only reason Samsung devices were popular is solely due to marketing and therefore people didn't realize Samsung devices were junk.
    I don't care about anyone's opinion about Samsung, but I won't be called a sheep by anyone and just let it go, which is why I responded.

    As for your remarks, on the rare occasion I walk into a carrier store I am bombarded with Apple pitches.
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    08-22-2016 12:04 PM
  22. eyecon82's Avatar
    Having a Samsung galaxy s2, s3, s4, s5, and note 7, Samsung definitely lags. Pure Android experience is way snappier
    08-22-2016 12:15 PM
  23. felloffthetruck's Avatar
    So far my Note 7 has been flawless. I've only had it 3 days but so far, so good.

    I just want a decent screen protector.
    08-22-2016 12:19 PM
  24. petvas72's Avatar
    There are millions of people who are followers, it's the reason companies use celebrities in advertising.
    The OP in my opinion implied the only reason Samsung devices were popular is solely due to marketing and therefore people didn't realize Samsung devices were junk.
    I don't care about anyone's opinion about Samsung, but I won't be called a sheep by anyone and just let it go, which is why I responded.

    As for your remarks, on the rare occasion I walk into a carrier store I am bombarded with Apple pitches.
    I am not really implying anything. Samsung is succesfull for a number of reasons. Marketing is one of them. People that visit forums like this here do not fell for the marketing hype, but they are definitely influenced by tech reviews and videos. Many of them are part of Samsung's marketing.
    Many are not.
    I really think that a device so expensive should be at least as fast as a 400$ device. The fact that it isn't shows how badly optimized Samsungs software really is.
    08-22-2016 12:28 PM
  25. wookiee2cu's Avatar
    I am just bothered to see a company enjoy success when it does not really deserve it. Unfortunately nobody is paying me to speak negatively about Samsung. I wish somebody did though.
    Samsung has some great technology, but their software is lame.
    Anyway, I think it is important that people do not buy into the hype that many blogs are creating. I wish that tech publications were more objective. That's the only reason I posted that. I want that people understand what Samsung is really offering and not think that there is nothing else out there.
    Everybody has his own opinion and that is good. This is just my opinion.
    I think a lot of people who purchased the Note 7 are previous Note owners and have not bought into any hype, they are upgrading to a device that they are already familiar with and grown to love. That is the case for myself. I wish they had improved the battery a little more and faster processors but I've had my phone since last Thursday and have yet to have the battery below 30% when I go to put it on the charger at night so to date the battery isn't an issue for me but could be for power users. The phone is plenty fast for me and don't find it lagging too much, web pages seem slightly slow to load but nothing too bad. With the SD card being brought back and water resistance added I felt it was a decent upgrade to the Note 5, plus the black oynx is just stealthy looking.
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    08-22-2016 12:31 PM
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