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  1. cert15z's Avatar
    I absolutely love the Note 7. In the last year I have had Sony, LG 4, Nexus 6 and 6P, and the Axon 7. I can find positive and negative things about all of these phone, including the Note 7. When it comes down to it for me, alot of the features in GN7 are great. When I get a phone without these features, I have to go to the Play Store just to find apps that will give me the features I want. So no matter what a tech says about a phone, if the phone works for you, get it and don't worry about it. There will always be better out there but only you knows what is best for you.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    08-22-2016 10:53 PM
  2. Markxmlx's Avatar
    Samsung devices have their own merits. UI performance isn't everything. For instance, I don't have an S-Pen with my Nexus 6P and I don't have a fantastic native camera app with manual controls.
    08-23-2016 06:27 AM
  3. anon(9408097)'s Avatar
    The only reason why I don't like Samsung is because it gives apple fan boys reason to hate android. Samsung is apparently the most prominent face of android. Which it shouldn't be in any way. Thats the reason why when people face issues they do not bash Samsung, they call android laggy and inconsistent.

    Stock android isn't what Samsung is. It doesn't have these problems. Its fluid and coherent and works consistently. But people buy what's sold the most. They buy Samsung. And they end up hating android.

    The only reason.
    08-23-2016 06:57 AM
  4. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    The only reason why I don't like Samsung is because it gives apple fan boys reason to hate android. Samsung is apparently the most prominent face of android. Which it shouldn't be in any way. Thats the reason why when people face issues they do not bash Samsung, they call android laggy and inconsistent.

    Stock android isn't what Samsung is. It doesn't have these problems. Its fluid and coherent and works consistently. But people buy what's sold the most. They buy Samsung. And they end up hating android.

    The only reason.
    I wouldn't say that is necessarily the case. I know many people who have Samsung devices that they really like, and they don't hate Android or Samsung.
    08-23-2016 07:04 AM
  5. RichBrown68's Avatar
    There is? I mean it's pretty awesome, but it's not even going to be the best selling flagship, right? Not even the best Android flagship. Let alone the best selling phone?

    The best single selling phone will likely be something that costs near the value of $100 and is available predominately in China and India.
    The best selling phone in the west is probably going to be ... a low to midrange Samsung would be my guess, but who knows. Probably something that's roughly moto G priced with Samsung's name on it. That or it's going to be the iPhone from 2 years ago, whichever that is.
    The best selling high end phone will be the iPhone 6s or 6s+ followed by the iPhone whatever this year is followed by the S7, then S7 Edge, then probably ... the iPhone 6, then 6+, then S6, then S6 Edge, then maybe Note 5, iPhone SE is up there ... then Note 5 will have more 2016 sales than the Note 7 ... so if the Note 7 were in the top 10 flagships this year, I'd be rather shocked. Most ... awesomest phone released in August? Probably. Sales? Nah.

    TLDR: List of phones, western available flagships that I think will probably outsell the Note 7 for 2016 sales:
    iPhone 5s, iPhone 6, iPhone 6+ iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s+, iPhone SE, iPhone 7, iPhone 7+, Galaxy S5, S6, S6 Edge, S7, S7 Edge, Note 5

    So my guesstimate is that the Note 7 will be in the top 15 at best, probably 20 best selling flagships of this year.
    Articles I read said that the s7 had been the year's best selling smart phone. Evidence now shows that it's even harder to keep the note 7 in stock than it was the s7.

    --RICH
    08-23-2016 07:54 AM
  6. anon(55900)'s Avatar
    The Note 7 Still Delivers Embarrassing Real-World Performance

    I wonder why many publications, including Android Central do not mention these issues..

    snip.
    Everyone on the web is here to make money, ads configured to look like informed and neutral articles are used here and everywhere, and then worse get repeated by super cheap blogs as if they they actually used the phone which they didn't.
    08-23-2016 08:37 AM
  7. Baby_Doc's Avatar
    Why do people that have such a deep hate for Samsung products hang out in a Samsung product forum?
    I could be wrong, but it my understanding that the N7 forum is not just a Love-in for the N7. You can choose to love or hate here as long as you can respect others right to do the same.

    The N7 is still a very new model that all of us are getting to know. Many of us here, including myself, haven't yet made a decision to buy a N7. We are gathering information. So we are as much interested in hearing why you decided to buy this phone and are loving it, as well as the other side who have already decided why it isn't the phone for them. BTW, I haven't read that anyone on the other side say they hated this phone.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    08-23-2016 08:53 AM
  8. donm527#IM's Avatar
    I believe apple sold about 40 million iPhones in the last QUARTER. Reading an article, it said Samsung was on track to sell 25 Million S7/S7 Edges by the END OF YEAR. Huge difference between quarter and year. When you read an article and they mention best selling phone, they could be talking best selling Android phone.

    They are having problems keeping the Note 7 in stock because they underestimated demand but imagine we're only talking in single digit millions which is nothing to sneeze at.

    Articles I read said that the s7 had been the year's best selling smart phone. Evidence now shows that it's even harder to keep the note 7 in stock than it was the s7.

    --RICH
    08-23-2016 09:15 AM
  9. petvas72's Avatar
    I could be wrong, but it my understanding that the N7 forum is not just a Love-in for the N7. You can choose to love or hate here as long as you can respect others right to do the same.

    The N7 is still a very new model that all of us are getting to know. Many of us here, including myself, haven't yet made a decision to buy a N7. We are gathering information. So we are as much interested in hearing why you decided to buy this phone and are loving it, as well as the other side who have already decided why it isn't the phone for them. BTW, I haven't read that anyone on the other side say they hated this phone.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    I do not hate the Note 7. Why should I?
    I just don't like some things about it. I wanted to point out what the potential problems are.
    08-23-2016 09:24 AM
  10. msm0511's Avatar
    I believe apple sold about 40 million iPhones in the last QUARTER. Reading an article, it said Samsung was on track to sell 25 Million S7/S7 Edges by the END OF YEAR. Huge difference between quarter and year. When you read an article and they mention best selling phone, they could be talking best selling Android phone.

    They are having problems keeping the Note 7 in stock because they underestimated demand but imagine we're only talking in single digit millions which is nothing to sneeze at.
    You have to remember though. That's total iPhones, not one particular model.
    08-23-2016 09:25 AM
  11. fragologist's Avatar
    Good article but still want the note 7. I've been using the note 4 for 2 years and it's still running smooth. It still has the occasional hiccup but nothing to worry about. Battery is crap but external batteries take care of that. The camera on the note 4 is garbage with indoor our low light settings. Seems like the note 7 will take care of the issues I mentioned.
    08-23-2016 09:34 AM
  12. donm527#IM's Avatar
    Yeah I just didn't want to go through the trouble of finding the breakdown in their earnings report but didn't think I would have to...

    40 million per quarter rough estimate x 4 = roughly 160 million iphones a year. Compared to estimated 25 million S7/S7 Edges for year?

    Say 25% Iphone 6 Pluses, 25% iPhone 5s, and 50% iphone 6... anyways I think the point is clear the S7/Edge is not the best selling phone.

    Maybe best selling for the month? Quarter? A link to article would be nice.

    You have to remember though. That's total iPhones, not one particular model.
    08-23-2016 09:35 AM
  13. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    I do not hate the Note 7. Why should I?
    I just don't like some things about it. I wanted to point out what the potential problems are.
    I think we're doing pretty dang good if the potential problems is that it opens an app a fraction of a second slower, or that it dropped a frame while scrolling in Chrome and NO ONE can tell unless they're straining their eyes to see it.

    I call that a massive success.
    08-23-2016 09:40 AM
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    08-23-2016 09:43 AM
  15. msm0511's Avatar
    Yeah I just didn't want to go through the trouble of finding the breakdown in their earnings report but didn't think I would have to...

    40 million per quarter rough estimate x 4 = roughly 160 million iphones a year. Compared to estimated 25 million S7/S7 Edges for year?

    Say 25% Iphone 6 Pluses, 25% iPhone 5s, and 50% iphone 6... anyways I think the point is clear the S7/Edge is not the best selling phone.

    Maybe best selling for the month? Quarter? A link to article would be nice.
    I read the earning reports, and I believe the SE performed really well. Better than they expected it to.

    I mean I agree with you. The Note 7 won't be the best selling. I doubt it'll even be in the top 5 honestly.
    08-23-2016 09:44 AM
  16. Aquila's Avatar
    Articles I read said that the s7 had been the year's best selling smart phone. Evidence now shows that it's even harder to keep the note 7 in stock than it was the s7.

    --RICH
    Point 1: The S7 I'm sure is the best selling Android flagship, but the vast majority of sales aren't flagships. There aren't any hard volumes of sales by SKU reported anywhere that I know of, but here's what we can figure out based on what Google releases here: https://developer.android.com/about/...rds/index.html.

    The S7 as an example, is considered a normal, xhdpi device. It is in a category that accounts for 15.5% of active android phones and that category also includes the S6, S6 Edge, S5, HTC 10, M9, M8, M7, etc, etc. Basically all phones with 3.5" to 5.2" (approximate) display with 480dp or higher, which would be flagships, the 1080p and 1440p devices. Technically it should fall into the "large" category because of the resolution, etc. The Note 7 is in a category that covers .5% of active devices. The Note 7's category includes devices like the Moto Z, Moto G4, Moto XPE, Nexus 6P, Nexus 6, Note 5, Note 4, OnePlus 3, etc, etc. Big, high res screens. Ironically, the S7 Edge is also in that category. So in general there are about 30 times more "normal" sized devices than large devices.

    Obviously there are also many more kinds of non flagships than flagships, so using an a fortiori probability argument, we could say that 90% of those devices are not Samsung, which would account for the giants in China, where Samsung and Apple aren't competing as heavyweights yet. This would still leave a 3 to 1 ratio of S7 type devices to Note 7 type devices out in the wild. And the S7 has an advantage of having an additional 6 months of sales during the same calendar year, so 9 months at 3 vs 3 months at 1 means we should expect to see around 9 S7's sold in 2016 for every 1 Note 7 sold in 2016.

    TLDR of point 1: And again, we're talking about 16% of total devices in the category that these two devices belong to. 84% of active devices are not in either category, so the real best selling device is approximately 5 times more likely to be in one of the other categories than to be in either category that the S7 and Note 7 exist in.

    Point 2: Then there is the iPhone, which doesn't have a cheap market - they only sell flagships, though some are older than others. The iPhone accounts for approximately 13% of all phone sales. All Android flagships we established are approximately 16% of phone sales. Samsung accounts for 22% of all phone sales, across all their devices ... but their biggest area of growth so far this year was in their Galaxy A and Galaxy J phones - which are borderline flagships, but not really. Subtracting Apple's 13% from the top phone makers, leaves 87%. Samsung's 22% of the total represents about 25% of the remaining devices.

    To again argue a fortiori, let's go ahead and double their 25% and say that they are actually selling 50% of flagships. That gives them 50% of the 16% that represents all flagships, or 8% of all phones might be Samsung Flagships. To the iPhone's 13%. We can approximate this as 5:3. So for every 3 Samsung flagships being sold, there are likely 5 iPhone flagships being sold in the same period. This means that if we give Samsung every benefit of the doubt as far as Android Flagship sales, they're still being outsold almost 2:1 by Apple on flagships. The remainder of Samsung's 22%, or roughly 14% of all devices, would be their lower end devices.

    TLDR of Point 2: The strongest case for the probability of the best selling flagship smartphone being a Samsung device is approximately one third as likely as Apple having the best selling flagship. And this is only on flagships. As established in point 1, the probability of the Note 7 being the best selling Android device are seems to be between 1% and 4%, with the probability of any Samsung flagship being the best seller seems to cap out below 10%. Given the time observation in point 1, this would lend weight to the probability being 1% or lower, despite the healthy assumptions granted to the Note 7 and Samsung via a fortiori arguments in their favor.
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    08-23-2016 09:45 AM
  17. Aquila's Avatar
    The figures in this article establish the S7, S7 Edge and J2 combined as being approx. 39.5% of shipments during the period quoted. So odds of a Samsung phone being one of those three devices and shipping in that quarter are 3:2 against.
    08-23-2016 09:49 AM
  18. Aquila's Avatar
    Wow that got long, brief summary:

    Any Android phone, odds are 5:1 against it being a flagship. Add in Apple and that number becomes 3:1 against any random phone being a flagship, or roughly 25% of phones become flagships.
    Any random Android phone, odds are 3:1 against it being a Samsung. Add in Apple and it's 4:1.
    Any random Samsung phone, odds are 3:2 against it being a flagship.
    The S7 & Edge will have had 3 times as much time to establish sales by the end of 2016.

    Long story short, if roughly 25% of phones are Samsungs and 40% of Samsung phones are flagships, then 10% of phones are Samsung flagships (I got to 8% via a different calculation earlier, giving Samsung their actual 22% rather than 25% and didn't include the S7 sales article previously). While 13% of phones are Apple flagships. So 20-25% of phones, at best, are the flagships of those two companies, meaning 75-80% of phones are not them. From a straight probability standpoint, the best selling individual phone is 3 to 4 times more likely to be in the 75-80% rather than the 20-25%.
    08-23-2016 10:00 AM
  19. Aquila's Avatar
    And all THAT said. The Note 7 is still the first Samsung branded phone that I wanted.
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    08-23-2016 10:03 AM
  20. ajb1965's Avatar
    Performance is only a portion of the total package. Just because a CPU can run a bazillion instructions per second doesn't mean it always should. Battery life, heat, and other considerations come into play. Things are adjusted to create the best outcome overall.

    You can get a hell of a lot of horsepower in a 5.0 liter engine, but Ford chooses not to in their stock Mustangs for a multitude of reasons. Same principal.

    On another note, if this is one of the hottest topics in the Note 7 boards it speaks a lot to the quality and overall customer satisfaction of the device. I don't see the usual spread of 'My new phone's doo dad isn't working correctly' type of threads that usually pop up in mass the week after a major launch.

    Just my 2 cents
    08-23-2016 10:14 AM
  21. LeoRex's Avatar
    The S7 as an example, is considered a normal, xhdpi device. It is in a category that accounts for 15.5% of active android phones and that category also includes ....

    Hey.... no one said there would be math.

    Any-hew...

    I wanted to say a few things about the piece. First, don't be offended if someone says something critical of a phone that you like. They aren't insulting you personally, they just have opinions.

    Now, with XDA, his isn't some mickey-mouse site. The bulk of the custom Android development community still haunt those halls. Custom kernels, ROMs, mods, themes, root installs. They all coordinate and work on that site. Now, much of the problems that people run into there stem from entitled posters who think those same devs work for them and start demanding updates or feature changes, etc. And despite the headaches those problem children present, devs like Chainfire, Franciso Franco, et. al. still are active members of that community.

    Their blog arm: yes, so they post articles that can sometimes get a rise out of people. But a site that posts boring, bland editorials and reprints, well, there's not much use. But XDA does have a perspective that's a lot different than a site like Android Central, but they are coming at things from the opposite angle. They are devs doing dev things and when they pick up a device like the Note 7, it frustrates them since Samsung has always been somewhat hostile and closed off from that community. So they pick up a beast of a phone that, from their point of view, has so much potential, and they see it sort of burdened down with some software deficiencies that the would love to fix... if given the chance.

    So is the XDA piece a bit inflammatory? Sure.... Is what they found invalid? Well, other than the Hangouts stuff... Hangouts is broken on EVERYTHING... they are pointing out things that are not quite right. If you enjoy your Note 7, do these observations affect you? Nope... If you are a prospective buyer and frequent sites like XDA for information, could that article give you some information that you might want to know? I think so.

    So, again, we can discuss the topic without resorting to dismissive insults or disruptive posts... we've already cleaned up the thread several times.
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    08-23-2016 10:26 AM
  22. msm0511's Avatar
    And all THAT said. The Note 7 is still the first Samsung branded phone that I wanted.
    Me too! I gave thought to the S7 Edge a couple different times, but never seriously considered it. When I saw the Black Onyx Note 7 online and read more about it I thought "This guy will be mine!".
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    08-23-2016 10:31 AM
  23. Aquila's Avatar
    @LeoRex, yeah my bad I went off topic. Don't ban me.
    08-23-2016 10:34 AM
  24. RichBrown68's Avatar
    I believe apple sold about 40 million iPhones in the last QUARTER. Reading an article, it said Samsung was on track to sell 25 Million S7/S7 Edges by the END OF YEAR. Huge difference between quarter and year. When you read an article and they mention best selling phone, they could be talking best selling Android phone.

    They are having problems keeping the Note 7 in stock because they underestimated demand but imagine we're only talking in single digit millions which is nothing to sneeze at.
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...UptWeX9rOwbidA

    --RICH
    08-23-2016 10:47 AM
  25. RichBrown68's Avatar
    Yeah I just didn't want to go through the trouble of finding the breakdown in their earnings report but didn't think I would have to...

    40 million per quarter rough estimate x 4 = roughly 160 million iphones a year. Compared to estimated 25 million S7/S7 Edges for year?

    Say 25% Iphone 6 Pluses, 25% iPhone 5s, and 50% iphone 6... anyways I think the point is clear the S7/Edge is not the best selling phone.

    Maybe best selling for the month? Quarter? A link to article would be nice.
    Perhaps I should have clarified that in the us, it is. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...UptWeX9rOwbidA

    --RICH
    08-23-2016 10:48 AM
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