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  1. Aquila's Avatar
    Unfortunately that's limited to March, April and May of 2016 and only in the US. That time period happens to be the S7/S7E launch. We'd get the exact opposite results comparing the S6/S6E to the iPhone 6s/+ in Q4 of 2015.
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    08-23-2016 10:53 AM
  2. donm527#IM's Avatar
    Rereading their article keep in mind they said, "Samsung’s components are still top-notch."

    They just don't like touchwiz I guess and how over time known to get worse

    The article uses phones with the 820 only and not the Exynos. Wonder if they would make same claim on Exynos machines. Makes me wonder though and probably explained elsewhere... Samsung makes a ton of phones and most reviews I read the general concensus is that the Exynos processor performs better and more efficiently (better battery life) and even better audio component, how come they keep using Qualcomm processors and just ramp up and supply all their phones with Exynos? You'd think it'd be more cost effective.

    That being said really too bad they couldn't have released the phone with the 830 chip and Nougat. That would have probably silenced a lot of people because the flagship phone should start out with the latest and greatest and then the underlings follow. But going forward I think the Note is brought in line with the S series and just from timing, the S/S Edge model 8 going forward will get the latest chipsets first like the 830 and the note 6 months later will follow with same.

    Another thing that is too bad is that Samsung can't release updates to their Touchwiz throughout the year. As Google is able to update some services through play store periodically that sometimes breaks apps, and developers updates their apps, Touchwiz may end up getting buggy over time too. And the only time it may have a chance to correct them is a year later with the next OS which is too late IMO. The other manufacturers probably have the same problem too but Touchwiz is pretty deeply integrated with the OS due to their features like s-pen. They really need to be able to get away from carrier control and be able to push updates like iOS.
    08-23-2016 10:54 AM
  3. donm527#IM's Avatar
    Yeah, that's like the "Trump bounce" that candidates get after their week long conventions.

    Unfortunately that's limited to March, April and May of 2016 and only in the US. That time period happens to be the S7/S7E launch. We'd get the exact opposite results comparing the S6/S6E to the iPhone 6s/+ in Q4 of 2015.
    08-23-2016 10:59 AM
  4. TJA3500's Avatar
    I believe apple sold about 40 million iPhones in the last QUARTER. Reading an article, it said Samsung was on track to sell 25 Million S7/S7 Edges by the END OF YEAR. Huge difference between quarter and year. When you read an article and they mention best selling phone, they could be talking best selling Android phone.

    They are having problems keeping the Note 7 in stock because they underestimated demand but imagine we're only talking in single digit millions which is nothing to sneeze at.
    Units sold according to Wikipedia

    2007
    Samsung 154.5407 million
    Apple 2.3 million

    2008
    Samsung 199.1820 million
    Apple 12 million

    2009
    Samsung 235.7720 million
    Apple 24.899

    2010
    Samsung 281.0658 million
    Apple 46.5983 million

    2011
    Samsung 313.9042 million
    Apple 89.2632

    2012
    Samsung 384.6312 million
    Apple 130.1332 million

    2013
    Samsung 444.4442 million
    Apple 150.7859 million

    2014
    Samsung 392.546 million
    Apple 191.426 million

    2015
    Samsung 320.2197 million
    Apple 225.8506 million

    2016 Quarter 1
    Samsung 81.1869 million
    Apple 51.6295

    2016 Quarter 2
    Samsung 76.7435 million
    Apple 44.3950

    Looks like Apple has some catching up to do.
    2015 is the closest Apple got Samsung.
    2016 2nd Qr Samsung was almost double.
    08-23-2016 11:04 AM
  5. SpookDroid's Avatar
    Totally pointless comparisons. It's like bashing a Corvette because it can't get the same mileage as a Prius.

    I agree with the other posters: I've been using the Note 7 since launch and comparing to my previous phones, this is snappier and awesome to use (and the last one I had was the S7 Edge, and for some reason, with the same 'guts' inside, it still seems snappier). Would I compare to a Moto Z? Nope. Would I compare to an S7 Edge? Maybe. Would I compare to a Note 5? Yup.

    Only thing I don't 'like' it's that it's a tad bulkier than the S7 Edge, so now it doesn't feel like you're holding a razor-thin phone anymore, but I guess that helps in terms of manageability.
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    08-23-2016 11:16 AM
  6. donm527#IM's Avatar
    Yeah... I think we're really concentrating on more each manufacturers flagship lines and pretty much the current series

    And there are more Android phones in the world over iOS. Yes, I know Samsung has a ton of models and outsells by volume. iPhone only just recently sold it's one billionth phone.

    Units sold according to Wikipedia

    2007
    Samsung 154.5407 million
    Apple 2.3 million

    2008
    Samsung 199.1820 million
    Apple 12 million

    2009
    Samsung 235.7720 million
    Apple 24.899

    2010
    Samsung 281.0658 million
    Apple 46.5983 million

    2011
    Samsung 313.9042 million
    Apple 89.2632

    2012
    Samsung 384.6312 million
    Apple 130.1332 million

    2013
    Samsung 444.4442 million
    Apple 150.7859 million

    2014
    Samsung 392.546 million
    Apple 191.426 million

    2015
    Samsung 320.2197 million
    Apple 225.8506 million

    2016 Quarter 1
    Samsung 81.1869 million
    Apple 51.6295

    2016 Quarter 2
    Samsung 76.7435 million
    Apple 44.3950

    Looks like Apple has some catching up to do.
    2015 is the closest Apple got Samsung.
    2016 2nd Qr Samsung was almost double.
    08-23-2016 11:19 AM
  7. SpookDroid's Avatar
    Units sold according to Wikipedia

    2007
    Samsung 154.5407 million
    Apple 2.3 million

    2008
    Samsung 199.1820 million
    Apple 12 million

    2009
    Samsung 235.7720 million
    Apple 24.899

    2010
    Samsung 281.0658 million
    Apple 46.5983 million

    2011
    Samsung 313.9042 million
    Apple 89.2632

    2012
    Samsung 384.6312 million
    Apple 130.1332 million

    2013
    Samsung 444.4442 million
    Apple 150.7859 million

    2014
    Samsung 392.546 million
    Apple 191.426 million

    2015
    Samsung 320.2197 million
    Apple 225.8506 million

    2016 Quarter 1
    Samsung 81.1869 million
    Apple 51.6295

    2016 Quarter 2
    Samsung 76.7435 million
    Apple 44.3950

    Looks like Apple has some catching up to do.
    2015 is the closest Apple got Samsung.
    2016 2nd Qr Samsung was almost double.
    The original post isn't fair since it's not a single iPhone model's sales numbers, but your comparison isn't fair either as Samsung has a ton more models out there for sale. Yes, by no means a minor feat for BOTH companies (we know their products will sell and sell well), but still not an -apples to apples- comparison (no pun intended).
    08-23-2016 11:20 AM
  8. Almeuit's Avatar
    I don't get how sales really have anything to do with the topic at hand -- just my opinion. I have never said "Man that company is selling a lot so I am going to buy that instead of what I like!".

    Just my $0.02
    LegalAmerican likes this.
    08-23-2016 11:21 AM
  9. Aquila's Avatar
    I don't get how sales really have anything to do with the topic at hand -- just my opinion. I have never said "Man that company is selling a lot so I am going to buy that instead of what I like!".

    Just my $0.02
    What's the topic?
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    08-23-2016 11:24 AM
  10. Almeuit's Avatar
    What's the topic?
    Apparently how XDA doesn't like the performance of the Note 7.
    08-23-2016 11:27 AM
  11. Aquila's Avatar
    Apparently how XDA doesn't like the performance of the Note 7.
    Oh yeah, we talked about that. IF they are correct and performance sucks, and blogs are ignoring that - then they're right and that shouldn't be ignored. I don't know if they're right or not.
    08-23-2016 11:28 AM
  12. petvas72's Avatar
    Oh yeah, we talked about that. IF they are correct and performance sucks, and blogs are ignoring that - then they're right and that shouldn't be ignored. I don't know if they're right or not.
    Anandtech was also not happy with the performance, and MrMobile aso mentioned that he was worried about it.
    08-23-2016 11:31 AM
  13. Almeuit's Avatar
    Oh yeah, we talked about that. IF they are correct and performance sucks, and blogs are ignoring that - then they're right and that shouldn't be ignored. I don't know if they're right or not.
    So far from real-world use (a.k.a day to day) my Note 7 has been fine. I haven't put it next to my gf's iPhone 6S Plus yet though to see if she can launch Angry Birds faster though -- I don't see a point in that one. I will say that compared to the AT&T Note 5 I was using this thing blows it away. That thing would stutter and freeze for a second especially when opening hangouts.
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    08-23-2016 11:32 AM
  14. 2Peks1Bird's Avatar
    On coming from oneplus one and up to now it's still smooth as the day i first got it, but camera is terrible. Moving to n7, i know what I'm losing, a smooth OS. It may not be the smoothest OS but it has the best camera tho
    08-23-2016 11:41 AM
  15. PraetorianGuard14's Avatar
    Anandtech was also not happy with the performance, and MrMobile aso mentioned that he was worried about it.
    Anandtech would be unhappy with just about anything that doesn't have an Apple logo or isn't personally crafted by the ghost of Steve Jobs.
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    08-23-2016 11:57 AM
  16. Aquila's Avatar
    Anand is useful for two things: 1. Their charts, ultimately the result of their tests 2. Their lack of fluff. I barely even read their reviews except the parts that are factual statements about components and testing. Who cares what a reviewer's opinion is? I'm there for the information.
    08-23-2016 12:12 PM
  17. sp44's Avatar
    This is what drives me crazy. Of course the Note 7 is faster than the Note 5. I bet the Note 8 will be faster than the Note 7. My problem is why isn't the Note 5 good enough anymore? It's because most people have a problem with lag and battery life over time. That isn't a good thing. Of course the Note 7 is a rocket now. Let me know how it is in 6 months to a year.
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    08-23-2016 12:23 PM
  18. RichBrown68's Avatar
    Yeah... I think we're really concentrating on more each manufacturers flagship lines and pretty much the current series

    And there are more Android phones in the world over iOS. Yes, I know Samsung has a ton of models and outsells by volume. iPhone only just recently sold it's one billionth phone.
    Translated: however we can stack the numbers to make apple come out on top, that's what we're looking at.

    --RICH
    08-23-2016 12:30 PM
  19. RichBrown68's Avatar
    This is what drives me crazy. Of course the Note 7 is faster than the Note 5. I bet the Note 8 will be faster than the Note 7. My problem is why isn't the Note 5 good enough anymore? It's because most people have a problem with lag and battery life over time. That isn't a good thing. Of course the Note 7 is a rocket now. Let me know how it is in 6 months to a year.
    Almost everyone I know of who still is using a Note 5 still praises its performance. So yeah, you're a little bit off there.

    --RICH
    08-23-2016 12:31 PM
  20. RichBrown68's Avatar
    I don't get how sales really have anything to do with the topic at hand -- just my opinion. I have never said "Man that company is selling a lot so I am going to buy that instead of what I like!".

    Just my $0.02
    I brought sales into it because somebody basically said anyone is an I.diot to buy a Samsung Flagship. So I mentioned that this means there are an awful lot of idiots versus this one enlightened individual.

    --RICH
    08-23-2016 12:34 PM
  21. sp44's Avatar
    Almost everyone I know of who still is using a Note 5 still praises its performance. So yeah, you're a little bit off there.

    --RICH
    What about battery life?
    08-23-2016 12:35 PM
  22. Aquila's Avatar
    Translated: however we can stack the numbers to make apple come out on top, that's what we're looking at.

    --RICH
    When comparing Note sales as the presumed best selling phone of a year, it's important to isolate flagships vs non flagship sales and then it becomes important to recognize that the Apple flagships seem to have a slight edge on the Samsung flagships. It's not a matter of stacking anything, it's recognizing that it is nearly impossible, from the math, for the Note 7 to be the best selling flagship of 2016, let alone the best selling phone.
    08-23-2016 12:39 PM
  23. Aquila's Avatar
    What did XDA have to say about the Note 5? I remember a lot of reviews focusing on how much it sucked to not be a refresh of the Note 4 and many other reviews raving about how awesome it was. Anyone remember where XDA landed?
    08-23-2016 12:43 PM
  24. RichBrown68's Avatar
    When comparing Note sales as the presumed best selling phone of a year, it's important to isolate flagships vs non flagship sales and then it becomes important to recognize that the Apple flagships seem to have a slight edge on the Samsung flagships. It's not a matter of stacking anything, it's recognizing that it is nearly impossible, from the math, for the Note 7 to be the best selling flagship of 2016, let alone the best selling phone.
    Again, you've lost sight of the original Point. Somebody made a statement that only ignorant Fanboys still buy Samsung devices. No matter how you look at the numbers, there are clearly quite a few of these devices being sold versus this one person who doesn't like them. So the point is still that he's asking us to believe that all these millions of people are wrong and he is right.

    --RICH
    08-23-2016 12:43 PM
  25. Aquila's Avatar
    Again, you've lost sight of the original Point. Somebody made a statement that only ignorant Fanboys still buy Samsung devices. No matter how you look at the numbers, there are clearly quite a few of these devices being sold versus this one person who doesn't like them. So the point is still that he's asking us to believe that all these millions of people are wrong and he is right.

    --RICH
    I agree that a whole lot of people are buying Samsung phones. The reason I disagreed with the post is because it was based on two false premises, one at the time and a subsequent post backing up the original based on anecdotal assumption. So two points: 1. Samsung sells a lot of phones. True. 2. Note 7 will be best selling phone of 2016. False. 2 can't back up 1 because it's false.

    That said, people should buy whatever the heck they want. Wanting something different than other people doesn't make you an *****. What would make someone an ***** is wanting one thing, then getting something else and being uphappy with the something else.
    LegalAmerican likes this.
    08-23-2016 12:47 PM
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