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  1. ConstantDefector's Avatar
    I have used Nexus, HTC, LG, iPhones, etc. etc. -- All seem very usable in my day to day with no "lag fest". That is my experience and I am not saying some don't have issues .. it is bound to happen to some but all were definitely good daily drivers.
    I'm a new member but I've been around the block.

    People may call me what they will but this expensive phone does not reflect the price invested. Nexus devices, and even a ROM'd One plus one, have been amazing for me. My 6S is almost in a class by itself. This note... it's not a random thing. It's not a defective device, it's touchwiz and more bloat than i can kill with package disabled pro.

    I tested my friend's and it was just slow. We turned everything off that wasn't needed. Animations and killed a ton of apps and processes... still, horrible. I thought it was just his device. I got mine today and ran it without loading apps (as she came out of the box), lag and stutters in places that this elite flagship shouldn't have any. Which is funny as it should be the gross exception to have such problems and not the rule.

    I applied the AT&T update and then proceeded to put on around 40 apps that i own and used package disabler pro. Nope...no help. This is an OS, sorry, skin problem (touchwiz). I have read that touchwiz has finally arrived and lag was gone. This is why I tried this device. Apparently, the joke's on me.

    The only thing i can possibly come up with is that everyone that gets defensive have never used custom ROM's, Nexii or iPhone's before. There is no other logical way for people to get so angry when people like me say these things against Samsung and touchwiz.

    I'll gladly pull out my Android phones and write something on a piece of paper confirming my unbiased opinion here.

    My conclusion on the Note is that it's nice but costs twice what it is worth. I wish more users had more disposable income so they could try a myriad of devices but i know that is not possible. Everyone wants to defend their brand or expensive purchase but it shouldn't be at the expense of reality or anyone else's feelings.

    I'll likely return this phone because it's so hard to switch ecosystems and because I dont feel the device is remotely worth the switch. I shouldn't have to root abd ROM a phone for it to work well out of the box.

    And don't get me started on screen protectors and case fitment. Broke the glass one due to the case, tore the plastic one off because it rolled up in all 4 corners... now im on my 2nd plastic one that I had to cut with scissors just so the case wouldnt roll it.

    Oh, a few things to note. The Note 7 has a better camera than the 6S, a much nicer screen and call quality is greatly improved. I talked with someone today that told me how amazingly they could hear me, without my prior disclosure as to why.

    Samsung gets many things right, just as Apple does, but neither get enough right to keep me from bouncing back and forth from Android and iOS.

    I want to like this phone...300gb of free storage is amazing but I don't think i can. I'll give it a week or two before i RMA it.

    Maybe next year Samsung? Also, just use a damn flat screen. The curve is pretty and gives the illusion of no bezel but it's impossible to protect.
    08-23-2016 11:49 PM
  2. RichBrown68's Avatar
    You know, I've always kept the philosophy of "Buy what you want".

    Everyone has their own needs, wants and demands from a phone, and also different expectations from user to user.

    We all have our own opinions on a device, but in the end, there's bound to be a device that fits a particular user.

    If ultra-snappy performance or a clean, vanilla experience is what you're looking for, the Note7 might not be the phone you're looking for. However, if you do use the S Pen a lot, and want a load of features, maybe give that a shot.
    Everytime someone says clean vanilla, I get a picture of that god-awful stark white drawer that stock Android forces on people.

    --RICH
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    08-23-2016 11:49 PM
  3. ConstantDefector's Avatar
    I thought I'd share my thoughts on this.

    First, let me start by saying that no. My Note7 is not invincible to lag. ALL phones lag at some point. Even my iPad Pro lags at times.

    However, I will say that so far, my Note7 has been performing quite well. Is it as fast as a Nexus or an iPhone? Of course not, but I do appreciate the extra features that my Note provides, such as the S Pen features, resizable windows and more, which I feel are worth trading a couple of milliseconds of app launch times for.

    That said, it's not perfect. SwiftKey lags horribly. It takes about a second or two for some keys to register at times when you type fast. Weirdly, the stock keyboard is perfectly fine, and I did notice that SwiftKey did lag a bit on my old HTC One M7 running a GPe ROM, so I'm not blaming TW......yet.

    So far, though, my current Samsung experience has been a refreshing one since ditching them back in 2013 for the HTC One M7 due to the horrendous state of TouchWiz at the time. I haven't experienced serious frame stutters nor did I feel that I was missing a beat after switching back and forth from my iPad Pro to my Note7.

    In the end, it comes down to this. Do you prioritize speed and don't care about the extras? Go Nexus or iPhone. If you want features and more capabilities at the cost of a bit of snappiness, go with a Samsung or any other skinned Android device. In an ideal world, they would be a phone that's as fast as a Nexus or an iPhone while also filled to the absolute brim with features like a Samsung, but that hasn't cropped up yet, and likely won't for a while.

    For the record, my unit is an SM-N930F variant, running on an Exynos 8890 with 4GB of RAM, running a different-ish build of the software on the August 1st security patch.
    I agree with this 100%. Whole heartedly. Well said.
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    08-23-2016 11:52 PM
  4. Almeuit's Avatar
    I'm a new member but I've been around the block.

    People may call me what they will but this expensive phone does not reflect the price invested. Nexus devices, and even a ROM'd One plus one, have been amazing for me. My 6S is almost in a class by itself. This note... it's not a random thing. It's not a defective device, it's touchwiz and more bloat than i can kill with package disabled pro.

    I tested my friend's and it was just slow. We turned everything off that wasn't needed. Animations and killed a ton of apps and processes... still, horrible. I thought it was just his device. I got mine today and ran it without loading apps (as she came out of the box), lag and stutters in places that this elite flagship shouldn't have any. Which is funny as it should be the gross exception to have such problems and not the rule.

    I applied the AT&T update and then proceeded to put on around 40 apps that i own and used package disabler pro. Nope...no help. This is an OS, sorry, skin problem (touchwiz). I have read that touchwiz has finally arrived and lag was gone. This is why I tried this device. Apparently, the joke's on me.

    The only thing i can possibly come up with is that everyone that gets defensive have never used custom ROM's, Nexii or iPhone's before. There is no other logical way for people to get so angry when people like me say these things against Samsung and touchwiz.

    I'll gladly pull out my Android phones and write something on a piece of paper confirming my unbiased opinion here.

    My conclusion on the Note is that it's nice but costs twice what it is worth. I wish more users had more disposable income so they could try a myriad of devices but i know that is not possible. Everyone wants to defend their brand or expensive purchase but it shouldn't be at the expense of reality or anyone else's feelings.

    I'll likely return this phone because it's so hard to switch ecosystems and because I dont feel the device is remotely worth the switch. I shouldn't have to root abd ROM a phone for it to work well out of the box.

    And don't get me started on screen protectors and case fitment. Broke the glass one due to the case, tore the plastic one off because it rolled up in all 4 corners... now im on my 2nd plastic one that I had to cut with scissors just so the case wouldnt roll it.

    Oh, a few things to note. The Note 7 has a better camera than the 6S, a much nicer screen and call quality is greatly improved. I talked with someone today that told me how amazingly they could hear me, without my prior disclosure as to why.

    Samsung gets many things right, just as Apple does, but neither get enough right to keep me from bouncing back and forth from Android and iOS.

    I want to like this phone...300gb of free storage is amazing but I don't think i can. I'll give it a week or two before i RMA it.

    Maybe next year Samsung? Also, just use a damn flat screen. The curve is pretty and gives the illusion of no bezel but it's impossible to protect.
    So far my Note is just fine as per my needs / experience with Samsung / other phones.
    08-23-2016 11:58 PM
  5. Maknora's Avatar
    make a video of the lag. then it's easier to believe and the mass can determine if it's real lag.

    Posted via the Android Central App
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    08-24-2016 12:05 AM
  6. Arsenio Martins's Avatar
    I've experienced some lag since I got the phone. Not sure what it is though. Giving it time to settle out.
    08-24-2016 12:33 AM
  7. stackberry369's Avatar
    I agree about Android Central app being a mess. I have to re-log in every time I open it, it never takes me to the last post I've read any more (always goes to first post on first page), and often it won't let me post even when I have logged in.
    I have to log in every time I want to comment.... Fix this problem please
    08-24-2016 12:36 AM
  8. I Can Be Your Hero's Avatar
    Yeah, I think I'll be returning the phone.

    The hardware is excellent, but it's just slow. Slow around the UI, seems to get weird bouts of lag where I have to restart the phone to get it to normal etc.

    I tried turning animations off (down to 0) and it doesn't fix it. If I'm in an app and press the home button, I find myself waiting for the phone to remove the app off the screen and go to the homepage.

    I don't root and flash roms or anything, so I don't know if that stuff improves it, but I won't be keeping the phone.
    08-24-2016 12:41 AM
  9. petvas72's Avatar
    It's the big App. You have to log out and log back in every time you leave.
    I had the same issue and I switched to the forums app. No issues there.

    As far as the lag issue concerns, I don't have the device but it seems that the XDA claims have at least some merit of truth.
    08-24-2016 12:52 AM
  10. ThrottleJohnny's Avatar
    As for the App. I'll try the forums one. Cause it's really annoying me now lol
    08-24-2016 12:55 AM
  11. petvas72's Avatar
    I thought I'd share my thoughts on this.

    First, let me start by saying that no. My Note7 is not invincible to lag. ALL phones lag at some point. Even my iPad Pro lags at times.

    However, I will say that so far, my Note7 has been performing quite well. Is it as fast as a Nexus or an iPhone? Of course not, but I do appreciate the extra features that my Note provides, such as the S Pen features, resizable windows and more, which I feel are worth trading a couple of milliseconds of app launch times for.

    That said, it's not perfect. SwiftKey lags horribly. It takes about a second or two for some keys to register at times when you type fast. Weirdly, the stock keyboard is perfectly fine, and I did notice that SwiftKey did lag a bit on my old HTC One M7 running a GPe ROM, so I'm not blaming TW......yet.

    So far, though, my current Samsung experience has been a refreshing one since ditching them back in 2013 for the HTC One M7 due to the horrendous state of TouchWiz at the time. I haven't experienced serious frame stutters nor did I feel that I was missing a beat after switching back and forth from my iPad Pro to my Note7.

    In the end, it comes down to this. Do you prioritize speed and don't care about the extras? Go Nexus or iPhone. If you want features and more capabilities at the cost of a bit of snappiness, go with a Samsung or any other skinned Android device. In an ideal world, they would be a phone that's as fast as a Nexus or an iPhone while also filled to the absolute brim with features like a Samsung, but that hasn't cropped up yet, and likely won't for a while.

    For the record, my unit is an SM-N930F variant, running on an Exynos 8890 with 4GB of RAM, running a different-ish build of the software on the August 1st security patch.
    XDA is reporting that the Snapdragon variant is experiencing these lag issues.
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    08-24-2016 12:56 AM
  12. petvas72's Avatar
    Yeah, I think I'll be returning the phone.

    The hardware is excellent, but it's just slow. Slow around the UI, seems to get weird bouts of lag where I have to restart the phone to get it to normal etc.

    I tried turning animations off (down to 0) and it doesn't fix it. If I'm in an app and press the home button, I find myself waiting for the phone to remove the app off the screen and go to the homepage.

    I don't root and flash roms or anything, so I don't know if that stuff improves it, but I won't be keeping the phone.
    You had an HTC 10. Why on earth would you do that to yourself by buying a Note? Yes, beautiful screen, very good camera, but the rest is really not on par (my opinion)
    08-24-2016 01:01 AM
  13. Almeuit's Avatar
    You had an HTC 10. Why on earth would you do that to yourself by buying a Note? Yes, beautiful screen, very good camera, but the rest is really not on par (my opinion)
    And I'd say the same about a HTC 10.. Why ever buy that? :P.

    Just goes to show opinions are different. Luckily we have choices versus just having an iPhone to choose from right? .
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    08-24-2016 01:02 AM
  14. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    You had an HTC 10. Why on earth would you do that to yourself by buying a Note? Yes, beautiful screen, very good camera, but the rest is really not on par (my opinion)
    Different wants, different needs, man.
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    08-24-2016 01:11 AM
  15. ThrottleJohnny's Avatar
    And I'd say the same about a HTC 10.. Why ever buy that? :P.

    Just goes to show opinions are different. Luckily we have choices versus just having an iPhone to choose from right? .
    You're not alone on that one. Couldn't return that phone fast enough. Smooth UI, but didn't offer a thing a hundred other phone didn't also offer. I got bored quick.
    08-24-2016 01:11 AM
  16. shanghaichica's Avatar
    I thought I'd share my thoughts on this.

    First, let me start by saying that no. My Note7 is not invincible to lag. ALL phones lag at some point. Even my iPad Pro lags at times.

    However, I will say that so far, my Note7 has been performing quite well. Is it as fast as a Nexus or an iPhone? Of course not, but I do appreciate the extra features that my Note provides, such as the S Pen features, resizable windows and more, which I feel are worth trading a couple of milliseconds of app launch times for.

    That said, it's not perfect. SwiftKey lags horribly. It takes about a second or two for some keys to register at times when you type fast. Weirdly, the stock keyboard is perfectly fine, and I did notice that SwiftKey did lag a bit on my old HTC One M7 running a GPe ROM, so I'm not blaming TW......yet.

    So far, though, my current Samsung experience has been a refreshing one since ditching them back in 2013 for the HTC One M7 due to the horrendous state of TouchWiz at the time. I haven't experienced serious frame stutters nor did I feel that I was missing a beat after switching back and forth from my iPad Pro to my Note7.

    In the end, it comes down to this. Do you prioritize speed and don't care about the extras? Go Nexus or iPhone. If you want features and more capabilities at the cost of a bit of snappiness, go with a Samsung or any other skinned Android device. In an ideal world, they would be a phone that's as fast as a Nexus or an iPhone while also filled to the absolute brim with features like a Samsung, but that hasn't cropped up yet, and likely won't for a while.

    For the record, my unit is an SM-N930F variant, running on an Exynos 8890 with 4GB of RAM, running a different-ish build of the software on the August 1st security patch.
    SwiftKey has been laggy on every device I've ever used it on which included the first and second generation nexus 7's and the iPhone 6 plus.

    I totally agree. All phones lag from time to time. Even my iPhone 6S plus lags occasionally. It's about acceptable lag/lag that doesn't interfere with your enjoyment of the device. My S7 edge runs pretty smoothly for the most part. I think touch wiz gets too much hate. The only samsung phone I've owned that had serious lag is the original galaxy note. My S4, S5, note 3 and note 4 were all fine.

    My husband's galaxy s6 edge plus lags quite badly but I'm sure that's probably due to some dodgy apps be has installed on there.

    Posted from my pink gold S7 edge
    08-24-2016 01:22 AM
  17. ThrottleJohnny's Avatar
    My iPad mini lags more than any device I've ever owned.

    No OEM is immune. My 6P ran like a dream, but a brief time with the Nexus 5 was a nightmare.

    If there are problems with the Note 7, let's hope Sammy gets an update out fast.

    And yes, my S7 Edge runs really well. Even the Snapdragon can't kill it.
    08-24-2016 01:30 AM
  18. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    SwiftKey has been laggy on every device I've ever used it on which included the first and second generation nexus 7's and the iPhone 6 plus.

    I totally agree. All phones lag from time to time. Even my iPhone 6S plus lags occasionally. It's about acceptable lag/lag that doesn't interfere with your enjoyment of the device. My S7 edge runs pretty smoothly for the most part. I think touch wiz gets too much hate. The only samsung phone I've owned that had serious lag is the original galaxy note. My S4, S5, note 3 and note 4 were all fine.

    My husband's galaxy s6 edge plus lags quite badly but I'm sure that's probably due to some dodgy apps be has installed on there.

    Posted from my pink gold S7 edge
    Yeah, I feel that my Note hasn't been obscenely slow.

    Maybe a teeny-weeny bit slower in some places compared to the iPhone 6s and HTC 10, but in daily use, I didn't really notice it.

    That said, while IMO, TouchWiz now is much better and cleaner compared to earlier versions (especially ones in the S4-era), there's still quite a bit Samsung could do to further refine the UX, but I would say that right now, they're in a much better position.

    Just waiting for Good Lock to be updated for the Note7 now. :P
    08-24-2016 02:08 AM
  19. Guyinbox's Avatar
    I don't think Samsung is ever going to win an award for the most responsive ui. The fact that it's normal for users to suggest turning off animations goes to show that they still can't get something like window animations right. That being said, touchwiz on my my s7 edge is by far the best showing from Samsung to date that I've seen. My note 4 would become really laggy within a few months of doing a fdr, whereas the s7e is still pretty much how it was day 1. Unless you're coming from a pretty barebones Android skin (or ios) the responsiveness shouldn't bother you, and you may not even notice the little lags and stutters coming from an earlier Samsung phone.

    I still think Samsung should be held somewhat accountable though. LG's ui has been heavily influenced by Samsung over the years and even after slimming down is still a pretty heavy skin, but their software absolutely flies on the g5. It's easily as fast as any other phone I've use in my short time playing with it. Now their skin is still ugly as sin and I think about twelve people bought the g5 because it was such a dumpster fire of a phone, but if LG can make their software perform like that I have to believe Samsung is capable of this as well.
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    08-24-2016 02:23 AM
  20. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    Just to add something interesting.

    I haven't bothered to keep my Note at 0.5x animation speed. I did try it out for a few minutes, but I didn't like the way it looked as it looked kinda rushed, as if the phone is working too hard. I put it back at 1x animation speed, and I noticed that on the Exynos variant, animations tend to be pretty smooth without much stutters and frame drops.....most of the time. I mean, at times, it does stutter a bit, like a lot of other devices when you push them.

    If anything, it reminds me of my LG G4 when it was fresh out of the box. Sure, it ran a heavy skin that wasn't exactly pretty and had oversized UI elements that would have been perfect if I had incredibly poor eyesight, but compared to the somewhat laggy nature of the LG G3, the G4 performed rather well, especially for a phone that runs on a somewhat troubled (though not as troubled as its bigger brother) processor with a heavy skin on top.

    I still miss that thing. The camera is still remarkable on it. Too bad LG's QC kinda reared its ugly head on that one. Not that the Note7's camera is bad (it's excellent, one of the very best I've used), but that was the one phone that really got me interested in learning about smartphone photography. ;(
    08-24-2016 02:41 AM
  21. qnet's Avatar
    Oh wow, I'm not sure were to start, but I'll start like I've always started with these type of discussions. I'm a long time AC forum member, and have bought a lot of phones. I'm also a fan of Nexus phones, and have had every Galaxy Note model. This is not a Stock Android vs.Touchwiz issue for me. My Note 7 stutters as well, and now I see this isn't an isolated issue.

    Other than the stutter, I really like this phone very much, and if not for that, it would be my favorite phone to date. I won't be returning it, but I really hope Samsung pushes out another update soon, because it really hurts the experience for me. My biggest issue is, picking up the phone after not using it for sometime. It always stutters badly, like Android phones did years ago, and then still stutters/lags/drop frames, whatever you call it; while using it.

    I have a Oneplus 3, Nexus 6P, and a Galaxy S7 Edge. They all run smoother than my Note 7. The commonality of all those phones are they're all carrier unlocked. I'm tempted to buy a unlocked international version of the Note 7, but I really like using Samsung pay. My Note is an At&t version.

    I know some of you have no issues, or just tolerate it, but like I said; this isn't an isolated issue. There's a good article on XDA about it.

    The Note 7 Still Delivers Embarrassing Real-World Performance
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    08-24-2016 02:45 AM
  22. anon(9408097)'s Avatar
    I'm convinced there's people who log onto these forums every year for the Galaxy launches and claim this. Wouldn't be a launch without it. I must be the luckiest guy in the world because after the following: S3, Note, S4, Note 2, S5, Note 3, S6 Edge, Note 4, S7/S7 Edge, and now Note 7, I haven't come close to experiencing these "unfreakingbelieveable" lag fests.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    How can you come close to it when you haven't tried distancing yourself from it. Try HTC Sony Motorola or Nexus phones for a year and you'll know what we are talking about.
    08-24-2016 03:01 AM
  23. shanghaichica's Avatar
    I don't think Samsung is ever going to win an award for the most responsive ui. The fact that it's normal for users to suggest turning off animations goes to show that they still can't get something like window animations right. That being said, touchwiz on my my s7 edge is by far the best showing from Samsung to date that I've seen. My note 4 would become really laggy within a few months of doing a fdr, whereas the s7e is still pretty much how it was day 1. Unless you're coming from a pretty barebones Android skin (or ios) the responsiveness shouldn't bother you, and you may not even notice the little lags and stutters coming from an earlier Samsung phone.

    I still think Samsung should be held somewhat accountable though. LG's ui has been heavily influenced by Samsung over the years and even after slimming down is still a pretty heavy skin, but their software absolutely flies on the g5. It's easily as fast as any other phone I've use in my short time playing with it. Now their skin is still ugly as sin and I think about twelve people bought the g5 because it was such a dumpster fire of a phone, but if LG can make their software perform like that I have to believe Samsung is capable of this as well.
    With Samsung for me its all about the features. So I don't care if it's not the fastest phone on the block. I'd rather have all the features of a galaxy S phone/note phone than a bland nexus phone. But we all have different tastes. People should get whatever makes them happy.

    Posted from my pink gold S7 edge
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    08-24-2016 03:09 AM
  24. Robster33's Avatar
    With Samsung for me its all about the features. So I don't care if it's not the fastest phone on the block. I'd rather have all the features of a galaxy S phone/note phone than a bland nexus phone. But we all have different tastes. People should get whatever makes them happy.

    Posted from my pink gold S7 edge
    If it was half the price i would agree, but $1349 where i come from, i would expect it to be just as fast/smooth as its competitor for similar dollars, it is 2016 Samsung.
    08-24-2016 03:18 AM
  25. qnet's Avatar
    With Samsung for me its all about the features. So I don't care if it's not the fastest phone on the block. I'd rather have all the features of a galaxy S phone/note phone than a bland nexus phone. But we all have different tastes. People should get whatever makes them happy.

    Posted from my pink gold S7 edge
    I think you should be able to have it all. The nice Samsung features, as well as a smooth, fast Android experience. My Note 5 was smoother than the Note 7 and, one of my favorite phones until the Nexus 6P came out. My S7 Edge runs smooth also.
    08-24-2016 03:30 AM
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