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  1. erasat's Avatar
    The problem with Doze though, it is very limited. There isn't much of the day that my phone gets set down. Doze generally only works at night for me when I'm sleeping and don't need it.
    Yes, and that's why the Nougat Doze will be great because it's going to activate as soon as the screen is off, so it MUST improve standby a lot. So, let's see how fast Samsung and Carriers get the Nougat update ready for download.
    08-31-2016 08:50 AM
  2. pavvento's Avatar
    On that same picture you shared, click on screen. Then it will say screen on time.
    Thabks. I got notified of an AT&T update this morning and it must have cleared the battery memory because it only shows this morning.
    08-31-2016 08:52 AM
  3. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Yes, and that's why the Nougat Doze will be great because it's going to activate as soon as the screen is off, so it MUST improve standby a lot. So, let's see how fast Samsung and Carriers get the Nougat update ready for download.
    That is still limiting though, my screen doesn't go off much while I'm awake.

    I still think they need to do like Greenify, so we can choose apps to stay hibernated and hibernate when closed.

    Doze hasn't helped me at all yet and it seems like N won't help me either. 😩
    08-31-2016 08:52 AM
  4. erasat's Avatar
    That is still limiting though, my screen doesn't go off much while I'm awake.

    I still think they need to do like Greenify, so we can choose apps to stay hibernated and hibernate when closed.

    Doze hasn't helped me at all yet and it seems like N won't help me either. ������
    Well, that's really another story, in your case it will be hard to benefit from Doze, but it seems that you must be considered a Heavy user, but for the rest of normal or below normal users Doze can be a huge difference.

    Take a look at a screenshot of a Power management for Apps feature that my Axon 7 has, I really don't know if this is just a ZTE thing or if other OEMs or even Vanilla Android has it, at least HTC 10 has something similar but not the same, this one seems to do an even better job as I'm having simply incredible battery life with my Axon 7, my S7 edge had given me the best battery life ever, but since I got 2 weeks ago the Axon 7, it has even surpassed it and with a 3250 mAh battery , maybe Samsung can do something like this and get rid of the one they are using since the Galaxy S6.

    Is battery a moot point at the end of the day?-screenshot_2016-08-31-09-55-22.jpg
    08-31-2016 09:01 AM
  5. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    The Samsung battery optimization helps some, but I'm still using Greenify, ShutApp and Doze, but there are apps that still get past those.

    I expected Google to eventually get down to app level to control Doze, I was just hoping they would do it by N.
    08-31-2016 09:15 AM
  6. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    See I actually hit Doze yesterday.. When sleeping. My phone only sleeps when I do lol
    08-31-2016 09:16 AM
  7. bgapfire's Avatar
    I had worried about it for some time. My experience on the Note 5 was less than stellar. My iPhone 6+ gave me 12-14 hours consistently and was the biggest factor I went to it.

    Yes iOS has good apps. Things run smooth etc. So when I moved to it I missed the spen a lot and the overall ability to customize the phone the way I want it.

    To me iPhone is for those who just don't want to mess with things. Who don't really care too much about "tech" overall but just want something out of the box they don't need to mess with. My kids. My wife. The professional that doesn't care about all the bells and whistles.

    I'm not any of those. I love tech. I'm an addict.

    But battery meant 90% to me in my decision to leave to iPhone.

    Now I cannot get 12-14 hours on one charge. But in the end do I really "need" to go all day every day on 1 charge? I added it all up and the answer I have concluded is NOPE.

    I think SOT and ability to go without charging in a say is psychological. It really is. Why?

    Fast charge. Because at the end of the day I am near a charger 90% of my time when working. When traveling I'm in my car. Got my fast charging car charger.

    In a meeting? Fast charging wall charger.

    At home? Yeah. Obviously.

    This past week with this device I have been on the go. I was flying to Chicago. A 2.5 hour flight for me. When I landed I had my car charger with me for the rental car. Didn't even need it until around 430pm and I was still at 30% but I like my phones at 50% or more. Call me crazy but it's a psychological thing to see it go under 50%.

    But with rapid charge I took it from 30% to 80% on my drive to hotel in 35 minutes and didn't even think twice when I went out for dinner with colleagues.

    So in essence I was worried about nothing. Who cares if I have to put it on a charge for 20-30 minutes when I can get another 40-50% charge on it or in reality another 5-6 hours of life in that short period of time.

    Battery and SOT is really psychological. To me anyway. I suspect that if people started thinking this way vs worried about what it can get on one charge every day it wouldn't be as big a deal as everyone says AND you can actually ENJOY using that $850 pocket computer.

    And I bought a charging brick from Samsung so if I am not near a wall charger or cannot top off (after long day and hurrying to airport and I forget to charge up) I have that peace of mind. Haven't even used it. Ever. Yet.
    I've always wondered why people wish to have all day battery on a device you're actually using. The battery is going to discharge. And the comparison to phones in yesteryear just don't apply because we weren't using the same way we do today. Personally, if my phone is idle and I lose a tremendous amount of battery life, I would have an issue with this. If I'm constantly using my phone and expect the battery to last all day, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If I use, I expect to charge it at some point so I can continue using it. LOL. To each their own I guess. In order for an individual to have all day battery life while using their phone ALL day, the trade off in size and price would be interesting. This is the only way that will happen. I still think the replaceable or swappable battery is the best option when the desire is to keep rolling all day with no interruption.
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    08-31-2016 09:51 AM
  8. geraldem's Avatar
    I've always wondered why people wish to have all day battery on a device you're actually using. The battery is going to discharge. And the comparison to phones in yesteryear just don't apply because we weren't using the same way we do today. Personally, if my phone is idle and I lose a tremendous amount of battery life, I would have an issue with this. If I'm constantly using my phone and expect the battery to last all day, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If I use, I expect to charge it at some point so I can continue using it. LOL. To each their own I guess. In order for an individual to have all day battery life while using their phone ALL day, the trade off in size and price would be interesting. This is the only way that will happen. I still think the replaceable or swappable battery is the best option when the desire is to keep rolling all day with no interruption.
    I think it is more people comparing to current phones...ie, the iPhone 6s/plus..etc. That is where my head has been. I have found that the iPhone has better battery life than the N7, but I still get all day battery from N7 based on my use patterns.

    Honestly what drives me the craziest is these darn posts on this forum where many are stating 5+ hours of SOT. I have not gotten over 3...so I am trying to figure out what I am doing differently, all the while knowing that I have no problem :-)
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    08-31-2016 10:02 AM
  9. bgapfire's Avatar
    At the end of the day, I think battery life means a lot. I guess I don't every want to worry about how I use my phone, how long I use my phone, what features I should limit myself in order to conserve my battery, worry about ccarrying chargers, worry about finding electricity if I am hiking, making sure I keep an eye on the power left, etc. Therefore, I have stuck with my N3 with my Anker 6400 mah battery. I use all of my phone features and never have run out of power by the end of the day, no matter how I use my phone. Missing out on the great features of the N7 isn't worth the battery anxiety I might have.
    I love your response here. You looked at what matters most to you and stuck with what works for you. I know as a phone fiend I am making certain trade offs each time I get a new phone and I am fine with that. I also don't fret over battery as much as others do if I am actually using the device. When I know I'm going to be out and away from an outlet, I slap on a battery case and keep it moving.
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    08-31-2016 10:08 AM
  10. smk5867's Avatar
    This is such a great topic, as it's been on my mind since receiving the N7 on launch day. I've been so conditioned by years of iPhone use to having a battery that easily gets through the day, and while the N7 can basically do the same it's reading this post that's made me realize how unimportant it has become. I too have fast charging at home, fast wireless charge cradle at work, fast charge in the car, spare fast charging cable/brick in my backpack. I'm never anywhere I can't grab 20-30 minutes of charge, and with fast charging 20-30 minutes is totally significant. I have to say, Kudos to Sammy.... Instead of trying to stuff a 6000mah battery into a phone and making it bigger, they decided to include a respectable 3500 but give it the charging capability to go with it. Loving my N7!
    08-31-2016 10:14 AM
  11. bgapfire's Avatar
    I think it is more people comparing to current phones...ie, the iPhone 6s/plus..etc. That is where my head has been. I have found that the iPhone has better battery life than the N7, but I still get all day battery from N7 based on my use patterns.

    Honestly what drives me the craziest is these darn posts on this forum where many are stating 5+ hours of SOT. I have not gotten over 3...so I am trying to figure out what I am doing differently, all the while knowing that I have no problem :-)
    I don't even worry about screen on time, either. You'll see how much it varies depending on what you're doing with your phone. If you watch Netflix all day, your SOT will be astronomical. Then someone can post here that their SOT is never an issue. If you're popping in for IG, texting, FB and the like, it may be smaller. My question is... were you able to do what you wanted to do with the phone and had access to charging?
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    08-31-2016 10:18 AM
  12. worldspy99's Avatar
    Rapid charging and cheap power bricks seemed to have solved the Android battery issues. With a smart battery brick you can rapid charge the device as well. I have at least 4 gadgets on me all the time - smartwatch, two phones and a tablet. That power brick comes in handy all the time...
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    08-31-2016 10:56 AM
  13. Nyt1's Avatar
    I have to say I am really sad to see that almost everyone here disagrees with my thoughts on battery life! Mostly because if there is no high demand for great battery life, then the suppliers will make no effort to improve battery life.

    For me battery life is the most important part of a phone - not because I use my phone too much or don't have access to chargers (although with the Note 7 the USB-C makes it more difficult to find available chargers from anyone) but in case of an emergency. The beautiful design, fast processor, nice screen, and helpful apps are all USELESS if my phone has died and all I need it for is to make an emergency phone call. I don't want "charge phone" to always be on my mind, or have to base my choices around whether or not my phones needs to be charged. Sometimes I forget to charge my phone in the middle of the day or moving around without access to a charger.

    It seems, though, that I will need to adapt because most people are settling for mediocre battery performance.
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    08-31-2016 11:51 AM
  14. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Mediocre battery? A Note 7 especially does a lot. We can get a bigger battery, which translates to a bigger, heavier phone.

    The adapters Samsung included are for those emergencies, as are A to C cables.

    C is the industry standard now. Those will be just like micro USB.
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    08-31-2016 11:53 AM
  15. spasell's Avatar
    I have to say I am really sad to see that almost everyone here disagrees with my thoughts on battery life! Mostly because if there is no high demand for great battery life, then the suppliers will make no effort to improve battery life.

    For me battery life is the most important part of a phone - not because I use my phone too much or don't have access to chargers (although with the Note 7 the USB-C makes it more difficult to find available chargers from anyone) but in case of an emergency. The beautiful design, fast processor, nice screen, and helpful apps are all USELESS if my phone has died and all I need it for is to make an emergency phone call. I don't want "charge phone" to always be on my mind, or have to base my choices around whether or not my phones needs to be charged. Sometimes I forget to charge my phone in the middle of the day or moving around without access to a charger.

    It seems, though, that I will need to adapt because most people are settling for mediocre battery performance.
    Well a couple things to point out here.

    I don't agree that Samsung won't offer the best battery technology there is. They need to stay ahead of the competition and that will be, for better or worse, iPhone. They will continue to offer the latest advance. It just gives them more reason to offer upgrades each and ever year.

    Second - Battery life is actually the #1 thing for me. Meaning, I need to get through an entire 8-10 hour day. Thats about the amount of time I am going to be away from a charging ability at a max. My point was, it is extremely rare that anyone, 90% of us, are away from charging capability for that long period of time. Overseas flights offer charging. Coast to Coast doesn't take that long.

    BUT - If it does, there are options, as I outlined, and those options can get take you from 30-60% topped off in 20-40 minutes.

    If you "need" it to get longer, I'd highly recommend a Motorola Max or something like my son who is in school all day and then goes out has. He gets 20-24 hours easy. Yeah, I know you don't WANT that, so then you need to start making trade offs I suppose.

    My OP was all about the psychology behind battery. I don't think people "NEED" to get 14-18 hours in a day given all the options tis phone gives you for fast charge. Just a 15-20 min "top up" can add 30-50% to the phone.

    That's all my opinion and this is from someone where battery life is important to me. I am just not letting me control the decision to make a purchase for a device like this that can do so much more for me.
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    08-31-2016 01:18 PM
  16. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    Wow! I've just finished reading this whole thread and I think it's been the BEST READ I've had at a forum in quite some time!!! And USEFULL too.

    Inventory of quick chargers:
    1 in truck
    1 at desk
    1 at Lay-Z-Boy
    1 on nightstand
    2 in Messenger Bag (1 wall and 1 car)
    1 Batt Pack in Messenger Bag

    What..... me worry? And the "speed" of the juicers is an absolute delight.

    Peace and thanks to all of you.. Alan

    EDIT> BEST READ I've had at a forum EVER!
    08-31-2016 02:02 PM
  17. amakattak's Avatar
    I don't understand how people have anxiety about this? I guess I'm always close enough to a power outlet or have an Anker with me that it's a moot point? Even now, I've been up since 5:45 am this morning and it's now 3:26 pm and my phone is still at 85% charge. Granted, I haven't used it much since I've been at work, but I just find it weird that people stress this much over it. I get it if you're like a forrest ranger or something, but who really isn't that close to an outlet or their car charger.
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    08-31-2016 02:29 PM
  18. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    I don't understand how people have anxiety about this? I guess I'm always close enough to a power outlet or have an Anker with me that it's a moot point? Even now, I've been up since 5:45 am this morning and it's now 3:26 pm and my phone is still at 85% charge. Granted, I haven't used it much since I've been at work, but I just find it weird that people stress this much over it. I get it if you're like a forrest ranger or something, but who really isn't that close to an outlet or their car charger.
    Everyone isn't always near a plug.

    I'm not a Forest Ranger but I'm not always where I can plug in. I have battery banks, but not always an outlet.
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    08-31-2016 02:37 PM
  19. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    I don't understand how people have anxiety about this? I guess I'm always close enough to a power outlet or have an Anker with me that it's a moot point? Even now, I've been up since 5:45 am this morning and it's now 3:26 pm and my phone is still at 85% charge. Granted, I haven't used it much since I've been at work, but I just find it weird that people stress this much over it. I get it if you're like a forrest ranger or something, but who really isn't that close to an outlet or their car charger.
    My last job, the company was a campus style environment and as Telecom Mgr. I was away from my desk so much that my desk extension ALWAYS forwarded to my smartphone, unless I had an appointment for a conference call where I wanted to be on my desk phone. To BOOT, my job duties we're 24x7. So my smartphones got a REAL workout 5 days a week at LEAST for 11 years, even when I was telecommuting.

    THAT'S where I got my affinity for charger and battery pack access.

    Peace. Alan
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    08-31-2016 03:03 PM
  20. Nyt1's Avatar
    Well a couple things to point out here.

    I don't agree that Samsung won't offer the best battery technology there is. They need to stay ahead of the competition and that will be, for better or worse, iPhone. They will continue to offer the latest advance. It just gives them more reason to offer upgrades each and ever year.

    Second - Battery life is actually the #1 thing for me. Meaning, I need to get through an entire 8-10 hour day. Thats about the amount of time I am going to be away from a charging ability at a max. My point was, it is extremely rare that anyone, 90% of us, are away from charging capability for that long period of time. Overseas flights offer charging. Coast to Coast doesn't take that long.

    BUT - If it does, there are options, as I outlined, and those options can get take you from 30-60% topped off in 20-40 minutes.

    If you "need" it to get longer, I'd highly recommend a Motorola Max or something like my son who is in school all day and then goes out has. He gets 20-24 hours easy. Yeah, I know you don't WANT that, so then you need to start making trade offs I suppose.

    My OP was all about the psychology behind battery. I don't think people "NEED" to get 14-18 hours in a day given all the options tis phone gives you for fast charge. Just a 15-20 min "top up" can add 30-50% to the phone.

    That's all my opinion and this is from someone where battery life is important to me. I am just not letting me control the decision to make a purchase for a device like this that can do so much more for me.
    What do you mean I don't want that? This Moto Max sounds great. Why have I never heard of it before??

    My original comment though was based on most people's responses to battery life no longer being an issue. And the overwhelming majority here is that no it's not an issue. Hence, no reason for Samsung or its competitors to try to improve battery life significantly on their phones.
    08-31-2016 04:48 PM
  21. omgitselaine's Avatar
    Doesn't matter to me because being at my desk all day I'm charging it on my wireless charger.

    When I drive home I can easily charge it by using my powerbank in my handbag.

    Not an issue for moi
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    08-31-2016 05:29 PM
  22. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    What do you mean I don't want that? This Moto Max sounds great. Why have I never heard of it before??

    My original comment though was based on most people's responses to battery life no longer being an issue. And the overwhelming majority here is that no it's not an issue. Hence, no reason for Samsung or its competitors to try to improve battery life significantly on their phones.
    No, no one has said battery isn't an issue.

    Obsessing over not having to plug in your charger during the day when that isn't necessary, keeps people from enjoying their phone

    Samsung isn't going to stop with improving battery life, it is a battery operated device.
    . It is probably a Droid Maxx 2. If you are someone that wants a Note series phone, the Droid Maxx 2 isn't going to make you happy for a daily driver.

    http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_maxx_2-7712.php
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    08-31-2016 05:59 PM
  23. dsignori's Avatar
    Obsessing over not having to plug in your charger during the day when that isn't necessary, keeps people from enjoying their phone
    Amen.
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    08-31-2016 06:26 PM
  24. soldier45's Avatar
    Getting 12-14 hours also can stretch that out at night as I'm not on it as much to nearly bed time. Coming from a Note 5 its more refined everything is better about it so far. By the time I upgrade next Summer I'm sure the battery won't last as long but it will be time for a Note 8 then.
    08-31-2016 06:33 PM
  25. Stealthieone's Avatar
    So what is the average screen time people are getting? I once got 6 hrs and like 10 mins.. Lately its only about 5hrs and 15 mins. Just trying to guage whats good or what should be expected
    08-31-2016 07:01 PM
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