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South Korea tax law allows losses to be carried forward for 10 years.It's Korea. I doubt there is such an option.
South Korea tax law allows losses to be carried forward for 10 years.It's Korea. I doubt there is such an option.
Yet profits still make more money than losses so imo 2.5 million refurbs will be restored and sold for profit. What does Samsung care about our resale value? You may believe they eill shred them. I do not. I will never believe it unless the details of their destruction are actually released and filmed. Companies don't throw money away.South Korea tax law allows losses to be carried forward for 10 years.
It is Samsung's sale value though for new phones that could be affected.Yet profits still make more money than losses so imo 2.5 million refurbs will be restored and sold for profit. What does Samsung care about our resale value? You may believe they eill shred them. I do not. I will never believe it unless the details of their destruction are actually released and filmed. Companies don't throw money away.
Of course they won't be sold right away but only as sales wane and new models come out. That is when we might sell ours. Initially they could sell to insurers or suppliers of insurers. I remember Note 4 refurbs showing up at Best Buy just a few months ago. I nearly bought one.It is Samsung's sale value though for new phones that could be affected.
Also I don't see a company as big as Samsung taking the risk for one jury that wants to stick it to the man, to return a large verdict.
When you are talking about a jury, evidence and proof doesn't always come into play, especially when someone with deep pockets is the defendant.
Well that isn't OT. That is very relevant in issue of doing these devices as refurbs.Of course they won't be sold right away but only as sales wane and new models come out. That is when we might sell ours. Initially they could sell to insurers or suppliers of insurers. I remember Note 4 refurbs showing up at Best Buy just a few months ago. I nearly bought one.
The court stuff is ot so I will leave it alone.
I assume Samsung would fix battery issues in refurbs.Well that isn't OT. That is very relevant in issue of doing these devices as refurbs.
A refurb can be safe, then someone can charge it with cheap stuff, blow it up and a jury might look at it as "this was recalled for this very thing and they didn't fix it correctly" and you have a multi-million judgment against you to make a few bucks because you didn't scrap the material or reuse parts on new phones.
The manufacturered date will be key here and there is no way for anyone to know if it has a new battery when it is on the market. Things like this very much go into making the business decision to do something.
You missed my point. Of course they would fix them. But these batteries can explode with the wrong charger. Again.. With a jury and deep pockets, perception, not facts can weigh heavily.I assume Samsung would fix battery issues in refurbs.
You believe Sammy will shred all these returned phones?
Samsung may not specifically care about our individual resale value but they certainly care about their image and that image includes being known for making devices that hold value. They aren't going to sacrifice that over one issue.Yet profits still make more money than losses so imo 2.5 million refurbs will be restored and sold for profit. What does Samsung care about our resale value? You may believe they eill shred them. I do not. I will never believe it unless the details of their destruction are actually released and filmed. Companies don't throw money away.
BTW, I had heard initially that explosions were in Asia. One exploded in Winthrop, MA this weekend.
On this we disagree.Samsung may not specifically care about our individual resale value but they certainly care about their image and that image includes being known for making devices that hold value. They aren't going to sacrifice that over one issue.
And that's fine.On this we disagree.
He didn't mention using the parts on other phones either, but that is a possibility.No I ignored the court linked component because I think it is safer to leave it alone. The op didn't mention lawsuits so I think they are ot.
As for whether there will be a lot of refurbs built and eventually sold and whether this will affect our resale value. imo returned phones will be repaired or parts will be used to build a lot of refurbs. These refurbs won't flood the market now because Sammy wants full price for their phones. When N7 is no longer being built and sold new I fear refurbs will hit the market and lower resale value.
When it comes to using the parts or refurbing the entire phone, here is my thinking, and I certainly could be wrong:He didn't mention using the parts on other phones either, but that is a possibility.
Samsung will consider a lot of things in deciding what to do. The chance of a huge lawsuit is something all corporate lawyers look at, that is their job. Things like that most certainly play into a decision a company makes on what to do.
I think, but that is only my opinion, that Samsung lawyers would say do not put these back on the market because of the lawsuit risk. A company doesn't just look at "how much can we make" to determine something like this. They have to weigh risks, if the risk is high they lose 100 times what they made, then a smaller loss is worth it.
Chance of lawsuit most certainly will be a factor in their decision, it depends on how high they feel the risk is.
If USB C tech results in explosions when used with ubiquitous micro usb cables, wallwarts, and micro to C adapters Sammy should be sued. It is a foreseeable event and we may be sure the uninformed will do it. Heck, VZW sells the adapters! Algorithm must be built in to cut off charging if improper current or voltage is delivered. I used mine with an adapter one night and I am better informed than most. The only justifiable cause of a phone exploding should involve a hammer or barbecue grill!
If USB C tech results in explosions when used with ubiquitous micro usb cables, wallwarts, and micro to C adapters Sammy should be sued. It is a foreseeable event and we may be sure the uninformed will do it. Heck, VZW sells the adapters! Algorithm must be built in to cut off charging if improper current or voltage is delivered. I used mine with an adapter one night and I am better informed than most. The only justifiable cause of a phone exploding should involve a hammer or barbecue grill!