What will Samsung Need to do to regain customer confidence in the N7?

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ThrottleJohnny

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In other words, are you saying that Samsung has a good excuse to be uncompliant with a federal law?

While I completely understand and agree with your reasoning, I doubt any excuse will fly, should Samsung totally ignore reporting to the CPSC. The recall is in the national news and not just here or in Consumer Reports. So, by now, you would think the CPSC has to know about it. Perhaps in the face of CRs criticism, Samsung will formally report to the CPSC tomorrow after this Labor Day weekend. In any case, I doubt Samsung will escape the CPSC getting involved, although you could hope. I do understand your point of view, but unless we can change a law, we are supposed to adhere to it.

If true, then this will all iron itself out after the weekend. Either way rest assured that Samsung will take care of Samsung, which includes taking care of their customers.

They have more lawyers and specialists at there disposal than any of us could know.
 

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And why would it take this to restore your confidence?

This is a voluntary recall, this group is when people do not take care of consumers, like Toyota didn't. This is for when they have to be forced into a recall.

Exactly what tells you that the government getting involved is going to help things? Samsung is doing the exchange quicker than our government could have done. Now when they exchange is done, then they can issue a recall to stop all sales by individuals.

If you need the US government to restore your confidence in Samsung, then you won't restore your confidence. Samsung is going above and beyond the US government.

This, for sure. A totally different subject (kind of) , but it is comical that anyone has confidence in a government agency, and would rather them handle anything.

Also, as Kelly and others have tried to point out numerous times... Voluntary recall and mandatory recall have nothing to do with the consumer and his/her requirements.

Voluntary - issued by the company of its own volition.

Mandatory - government agency mandating the company issue a recall, and overseeing it.

Neither requires the consumer to comply.
Neither entirely protects the company from possible resulting lawsuit, no matter the time frame of when said suit is filed.

I don't know about y'all, but if you want and think a mandatory recall is about government officials coming to my house in hazmat suits demanding anything of me, you live in the wrong country. It would not end without bloodshed, I assure you. They can have the phone, that's not the issue. Ok ok I'll stop on this.. sorry, just can't stop laughing at the perception of 'mandatory' in this context.

Have any of you received a letter about a vehicle recall? Even those regarding safety are voluntary on the consumer end. They don't say anything about anyone 'forcing' you to comply.

It's a phone battery, for crying out loud; worry about things in life that really matter. This is a blip; an inconvenience, sure, but certainly nothing worth all these panties in wads, and left field 'this is how it should be handled' suggestions. If you want it handled differently, kick butt, work your way into Samsung, and become an exec in a position to make decisions. Until then, be an adult, return or exchange your phone when the new ones are available, and smile.

It will all be ok, ya know?
 

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In other words, are you saying that Samsung has a good excuse to be uncompliant with a federal law?

While I completely understand and agree with your reasoning, I doubt any excuse will fly, should Samsung totally ignore reporting to the CPSC. The recall is in the national news and not just here or in Consumer Reports. So, by now, you would think the CPSC has to know about it. Perhaps in the face of CRs criticism, Samsung will formally report to the CPSC tomorrow after this Labor Day weekend. In any case, I doubt Samsung will escape the CPSC getting involved, although you could hope. I do understand your point of view, but unless we can change a law, I think we are supposed to adhere to it.
I guess we should end on an agreement. ;)

If, CPSC steps in, then you would be entirely correct that Samsung should've told them. But in the case that they don't do anything, then Samsung benefits from trying to sort it out before cpsc can respond.

I guess one debatable aspect, is if Samsung deal with it and CSPC only responds in retrospect but Samsung manages to deal with the issue by then, then Samsung still benefits from doing it the way they did. Because by then I don't think anyone would care what cpsc does, even if Samsung gets fined, if CPSC agrees that the new devices are fine, then nobody would care if Samsung didn't listen.
 

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Unless I am mistaken, the N7 forum is for anybody who is considering an N7, which I am. It isn't just a love-in for those who already bought theirs.

The forum is for anyone who wants to talk about the Note 7, whether that are an owner or not and whether they like it or not. The only requirements are to talk about phones and be nice to people.
 

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What you are saying is true. Many people are against government imposed safety regulations or warnings of any kind. For example, many people are opposed to seat belt laws or texting while driving laws. They just want to take their risks and do their own thing.

On this forum, I see people who don't want to do the phone exchange, just because they haven't experienced any problem with their N7, yet. Although it is just common sense that tells most of us, if Samsung is issuing a recall on all these phones, there must be some risk if you choose to continue to using the phone. I am not sure if the exchange refusers are missing common sense and need a more explicit warnings and directions from Samsung, or if they are the same people who never wear seat belts and just trust their luck.
Yeah it is common sense to do these things, but we really can't save people from themselves. In the end, none of us want someone making a decision for us, so.. We all have to make our own decisions.
 

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This, for sure. A totally different subject (kind of) , but it is comical that anyone has confidence in a government agency, and would rather them handle anything.

Also, as Kelly and others have tried to point out numerous times... Voluntary recall and mandatory recall have nothing to do with the consumer and his/her requirements.

Voluntary - issued by the company of its own volition.

Mandatory - government agency mandating the company issue a recall, and overseeing it.

Neither requires the consumer to comply.
Neither entirely protects the company from possible resulting lawsuit, no matter the time frame of when said suit is filed.

I don't know about y'all, but if you want and think a mandatory recall is about government officials coming to my house in hazmat suits demanding anything of me, you live in the wrong country. It would not end without bloodshed, I assure you. They can have the phone, that's not the issue. Ok ok I'll stop on this.. sorry, just can't stop laughing at the perception of 'mandatory' in this context.

Have any of you received a letter about a vehicle recall? Even those regarding safety are voluntary on the consumer end. They don't say anything about anyone 'forcing' you to comply.

It's a phone battery, for crying out loud; worry about things in life that really matter. This is a blip; an inconvenience, sure, but certainly nothing worth all these panties in wads, and left field 'this is how it should be handled' suggestions. If you want it handled differently, kick butt, work your way into Samsung, and become an exec in a position to make decisions. Until then, be an adult, return or exchange your phone when the new ones are available, and smile.

It will all be ok, ya know?
Finally!

Someone that understands the difference in a voluntary and mandatory recall!

In Iran and North Korea they may come to your house and force you to comply.

If someone is reading this forum, they likely aren't in a country that would force citizens to comply with a recall.
 

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It is nearly a week since the recall and I haven't heard of a single N7, 2nd edition replacement phone being available. With Sept 30 th as the deadline for some carriers exchange, I am not confident that it will get done in time.

Any delay is dangerous, because every day there are reports of more phone explosions or fires.

So why isn't Samsung alerting people to turn off these phones? Isn't Samsungs liability increased by not doing so?

Could it be that by issuing such a recommendation, which would be the safest thing to do for the customer, Samsung worries people will panic and return their phones for a refund, rather than wait for a replacement N7?

I hope that isn't Samsung's reasoning, because it would mean Samsung is more interested in limiting their losses than the losses of their customers. But what other explanation could be given?

Even if you suggest the low risk of fire doesn't justify warning people not to use their phone, wouldn't possibly saving even one life, with such a warning, be worth it? Sure, a lot of people won't listen to warnings anyway. But that's not an excuse either for failing to issue a warning, is it?
 

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It is nearly a week since the recall and I haven't heard of a single N7, 2nd edition replacement phone being available. With Sept 30 th as the deadline for some carriers exchange, I am not confident that it will get done in time.

Any delay is dangerous, because every day there are reports of more phone explosions or fires.

So why isn't Samsung alerting people to turn off these phones? Isn't Samsungs liability increased by not doing so?

Could it be that by issuing such a recommendation, which would be the safest thing to do for the customer, Samsung worries people will panic and return their phones for a refund, rather than wait for a replacement N7?

I hope that isn't Samsung's reasoning, because it would mean Samsung is more interested in limiting their losses than the losses of their customers. But what other explanation could be given?

Even if you suggest the low risk of fire doesn't justify warning people not to use their phone, wouldn't possibly saving even one life, with such a warning, be worth it? Sure, a lot of people won't listen to warnings anyway. But that's not an excuse either for failing to issue a warning, is it?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Samsung knows who has the devices unless users register with Samsung or sign into a Samsung account.
I'd place this more upon the carrier as they can broadcast text messages. Send out annoying weekly reminders if they have to, just keep that thought in the customers mind.

All over the world, we have people refusing to evacuate before catastrophic storms or weather events. The police can't go door to door and physically remove them from danger. All they can do is warn them.....and then take the risk of rescuing them after areas have been flooded and/or torn apart.
If someone has it set in their mind that their Note 7 is perfectly fine despite all the warnings, and then they experience damage or injury caused by the device, I would imagine they would have a more difficult time building a case against Samsung or their carrier to get compensated.

Its like, we warned you X amount of times that this could happen, and you still did not heed the warning.
 

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LOL. There are still people in these very forums still using their Note phones like nothing happened, and the level of awareness can't get any higher than here.

No sure there is much Samsung can do about that.
 

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Finally, if you have yet to purchase the N7, what could Samsung do to encourage you to buy it, given the less than consistent favorable user experience with this phone and possible quality control issues?

Easy question to answer...

First of all, cut the price by half... and then I'll be interested.

Second... come out with a flat screen version, and I'll be more than interested.

Put the two together, and you've got a buyer right now! ;)
 

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My buddy/coworker is still using his. our ATT account rep offered him a loaner but he didn't take it. Guess you really never think something will happen to you. And in his defense the recall or rep didn't press any extreme caution to be taken and to not use it. So I guess he hasn't read news articles to show the explosions or read forums like these.

I'll show him the pick of the burning Jeep

LOL. There are still people in these very forums still using their Note phones like nothing happened, and the level of awareness can't get any higher than here.

No sure there is much Samsung can do about that.
 

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I find the curved edges to be a pita.

Agreed. I've never used a device with curved edges, but seeing the complaints about text wrapping combined with frailty, it seems like more of a hassle than a feature.

Flat screen for sure. The 879 price places it well out of my range until preowned units start popping up on Swappa or Ebay. I can't imagine a Note 8 being in the $900 ballpark.
 

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Extended warranty would help. Eliminating lag would help more. Maybe a special deal on next Galaxy with trade it?
 

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Samsung gained my confidence by enacting a recall that gives me a new phone with resolved issue.
I think people like drama today phones and data are very personel and extension of ourself.
But this hole thing is really getting way overplayed
 

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Agreed. I've never used a device with curved edges, but seeing the complaints about text wrapping combined with frailty, it seems like more of a hassle than a feature.

Flat screen for sure. The 879 price places it well out of my range until preowned units start popping up on Swappa or Ebay. I can't imagine a Note 8 being in the $900 ballpark.

I'm inclined to agree. They haven't lost my confidence, things happen. Auto recalls happen regularly even with high end vehicles, but the reports of how easily the device cracks or scratches, along with the text wrapping is not something I want to experience for myself at any price.
 

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LOL. There are still people in these very forums still using their Note phones like nothing happened, and the level of awareness can't get any higher than here.

No sure there is much Samsung can do about that.

If someone is still using the phone like nothing happened (I am one of those). It may not be stubbornness or unwillingness to listen to warnings. It may be simply an analysis of the risk, given the information available.

Samsung has not quantified the risk other than to say there have been 40ish reported cases. Given my analysis of risk associated with this, the risk is low and not worth the inconvenience of changing my usage or taking a temporary exchange, until the replacements come out. Some people take the attitude that if there is any risk at all, you should avoid it. I (and most people) do things in my everyday life that have significantly higher risk. I will exchange it once the new ones are available, but for now I continue to use it exactly the way it did before I heard about the battery issue. That said, if new information came out suggesting a higher risk, I would certainly reconsider.
 

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They identified a problem and are fixing it. They are not ignoring it like Apple does... They have nothing to regain IMO.
 

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If someone is still using the phone like nothing happened (I am one of those). It may not be stubbornness or unwillingness to listen to warnings. It may be simply an analysis of the risk, given the information available.

Samsung has not quantified the risk other than to say there have been 40ish reported cases. Given my analysis of risk associated with this, the risk is low and not worth the inconvenience of changing my usage or taking a temporary exchange, until the replacements come out. Some people take the attitude that if there is any risk at all, you should avoid it. I (and most people) do things in my everyday life that have significantly higher risk. I will exchange it once the new ones are available, but for now I continue to use it exactly the way it did before I heard about the battery issue. That said, if new information came out suggesting a higher risk, I would certainly reconsider.

Hey I'm not judging, I think people should do what is best and make their own decisions after weighing the risks. Maybe 96 percent of phones will be fine until the replacements are ready for exchange. No one can know for sure.

I was just saying that Samsung can't force people to consider the risk if they choose not to.
 

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Hello there,
Long time reader, first time post-er. I just sent this to Samsung. I know some (most) may disagree, but I felt it needed to be said after spending countless hours reading about the note and modifying it.

Dear Samsung,

I am contacting you regarding several issues I have had with Samsung recently. Normally I do not do this, but I have never had this much trouble with a company for whom I have purchased multiple devices and accessories.

My first issue is the Note 7. I completely understand that mistakes happen and I will credit Samsung for quickly announcing a recall. However, my praise ends there. No one knows when we will get our new devices. All of the carriers are in the dark, while there are new cases of the Note 7 exploding seemingly everyday. The best the consumer has is to go to forums (like androidcentral.com) and read through all of the issues consumers are having and the mixed information being presented by all parties, including Samsung! Additionally, the best Samsung has offered is the ability to swap devices, and a measly $25 gift card if we elect to stay with Samsung. How about a warranty to show that Samsung is willing to stand by their products for a full two or even 3 years? If you want to inspire confidence in Samsung, then show us that you believe in your own products. While you’re at it, include screens in the free warranty. Apple just announced yesterday that their warranty includes TWO (!) screen replacements with their 2 year warranty for only $99 and a $29 deductible for each screen. This bring me to my next point: the Note 7 itself.

The Note 7 is flush with software installed by carriers (pronounced bloatware) that, best case, can be disabled, but never uninstalled. Additionally, you have let Verizon install a piece of software called DT ignite which allows them to install any app on the consumers phone they would like. How is that secure? Apple doesn’t do that. You are large enough that you can tell these carriers, not just no, but ‘HELL NO!’ Instead I am stuck with a phone with which I can never remove certain apps. Speaking of software, there is no reason why a phone that costs almost $900 USD before tax should ever be this slow and full of lag. I have had to spend hours reading how to DISABLE features to optimize my own phone. While I appreciate that ability, why did I have to disable advertised features (animations) to make my phone work in an acceptable manner. I say acceptable because I have had to disable all transition animations to get rid of the lag, and I liked those animations. Additionally, the screen on time is typically less than 5 hours for a phone that has a tremendously large battery. Where is the software optimization?

While on the subject of the phone, how about we discuss this curved display? It’s a great feature. Truly aesthetically pleasing. Yet multiple videos show how week the edges are, thus predisposing them to cracking easier than the rest of the display. This is quite obviously an engineering flaw. Additionally, numerous videos and articles have illustrated that the glass on the back is significantly weaker than the glass on the front. Why is this? There is no excuse in a $900 device for these issues to occur.

I also have a Samsung Gear Fit 2 as part of the promotion. It is terrible. My fitbit is far more accurate in counting steps and monitoring heart rate. My fitbit also calculates calories far better. The spotify app is awful. I figured I would read more forums, and come to find that this issue is everywhere. There is no software update out to fix this, even though it was supposed to have been fixed in the last update. If this weren’t a promotion, then I would return it. However I am stuck with it.

Finally, what prompted me to write this email in the first place: Samsung Pay. The first day I used Samsung Pay I received the promotional $20 gift card. As noted above, I noticed considerable lag and read on one of the forums that loading information using Samsung Smart Switch may have been a cause of considerable lag. So I performed a hard reset. I quickly found that I lost my gift card. Now I understand that, for safety reasons, Samsung Pay only secures information on the device. I called Samsung almost two weeks ago and informed them of this. They kindly said they would elevate the issue and I should have it in a few days. I called again last week. Same issue. This time she provided me with a ticket: ----. Still nothing today, almost two weeks later. I access the online customer support and the rep tells me that they cannot help me. Why is this the case? Also, why is Samsung customer support so fractured and slow?

I have owned the Galaxy S5, Galaxy S6, and now the Note 7. The S5 was great until marshmallow, the S6 was always terrible, and the Note 7 was supposed to be my solution to a great phone I had wanted all along. Instead it has been one issue after another. That has been my entire experience with Samsung: one issue after another. I just wanted a phone that works without having to get an iPhone. I wanted a phone that was secure, even against carriers installing bloatware. I wanted a phone with great hardware, great software, and great battery life. I thought I had found it in the Note 7, and if it weren’t for terrible customer support and terrible software then I would have been content with the Note 7, even with the battery recall mess (which, again, I praise you for responding so quickly to, but the paucity of information about replacements has made it unbearable). As it stands now I am strongly weighing my other options, even the new iPhone 7.

I would like to take one second to let you know that I am not entirely dissatisfied with Samsung. You have some of the best hardware out there. The screen is top notch, the camera is great, waterproofing is amazing, expandable storage, stylus, design, wireless charging. The list goes on (though I do wish you had included the latest process, more ram, and perhaps quickcharge 3.0).

Thank you for your time,
 
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