[benjamminh]

^Statistically that's absurd if people are buying there are only 35-40 defective phones out of 2.5 million.

[donm527]

Possibly up to 2500 bad batteries (.1%) out of 2.5 million. 35-40 "defective phones" are only the ones reported up to the day Samsung issues the statement. There have been more claims since. Do people not read all 27 pages before this one????

If you know there can be 2500 bad batteries that have the chance to explode but doesnt seem they can find exactly which phones... what do you do?

^Statistically that's absurd if people are buying there are only 35-40 defective phones out of 2.5 million.

[1213 1213]

This is my point in a nutshell.

Defective battery is defective battery. Why do you need someone to clarify that??? It truly makes no sense.

Because incorrect fearmongering statements aren't helpful. So far there have been no confirmed cases of batteries catching fire unrelated to charging. Not sure why you felt the need to rely on an incorrect statement to encourage people to return their devices.

[msm0511]

So I say let's all be bubble boy.

I love that movie!

[benjamminh]

Possibly up to 2500 bad batteries (.1%) out of 2.5 million. 35-40 "defective phones" are only the ones reported up to the day Samsung issues the statement. There have been more claims since. Do people not read all 27 pages before this one????

If you know there can be 2500 bad batteries that have the chance to explode but doesnt seem they can find exactly which phones... what do you do?

I agree with you but many people are holding onto the 35-40 mantra as justification that their phone is fine.

[ajb1965]

I love that movie!

Mom says I was born without immunities

[msm0511]

Mom says I was born without immunities

5 hundred dollaaaa!!!!!

[rushmore]

Based to some degree on the worry for using the Note 7, we should also perhaps pursue banning fireworks, since exponentially more people (especially under 21) have been injured or worse through the years. Okay, some were when drunk, but still the point is there are things with a bigger chance to hurt or kill that people approach daily as "meh" until something happens.

I keep hearing about issues happening "daily" and piling up by some posters and the media, yet the same garage and Jeep events are recycled as new, but people just now finding out. The terrible event with the 6 year old is new, but even that has respectfully yet to be verified. People even stating it was not charging while being used , but says nothing about that in the article.

All things presumed constant, anode / cathode layer breaches do not normally behave in a ticking bomb manner after initial charges and use. If it is something else beyond that and Samsung is not forthright, kiss the Note 7 (at least) goodbye. Too much attention, especially if/when the three incidents above are verified as legit concerning the Note 7.

The only thing I can think of that would cause a breach after initial charges and use is if a sharp object penetrates the cell and creates anode / cathode contact (a breach). If a layer insulation defect, the energy for an explosive like failure is not normally going to lay dormant for days and weeks of use and then suddenly, kapow!

It would be interesting to see the CPSC's findings, but that would also mean they took the time to visit, audit, interview and test the cells. That means weeks before good. None of this will add up if the issue is so grave as the media points out and this is fast tracked. Point here is I would not be surprised if this takes longer than people might expect. Again, if as dire as perceived.

[catloverplayer]

For me it is New Note 7 or back to the Note 4 and get my upgrade back. No other choice for me.

Why not the Note 5?

[rushmore]

Why not the Note 5?

Note 4 has SD slot

[Preach2k]

Why not the Note 5?

No MicroSD Card. Can't use the flash drive for my business. Can cause me to get audited by the State.

[jabloomf1230]

I agree with you but many people are holding onto the 35-40 mantra as justification that their phone is fine.

It's 35 or 40 failures over a very short period of time. What if the probability of battery failure increases over time? Most systems fail more frequently as they wear out.

[benjamminh]

Again, I agree with this. Confirmation bias is a powerful influence.

[1213 1213]

It's 35 or 40 failures over a very short period of time. What if the probability of battery failure increases over time? Most systems fail more frequently as they wear out.

That assumes all systems are flawed. I thought it was only some of them, in which case the longer you have your phone the less likely it is to have the flaw, statistically speaking.

[soulsmilen]

Because incorrect fearmongering statements aren't helpful. So far there have been no confirmed cases of batteries catching fire unrelated to charging. Not sure why you felt the need to rely on an incorrect statement to encourage people to return their devices.

Nothing I said was fear mongering. How a person perceives something in print is their own deal, not mine. Fact - "defective battery". Stating that people need to be responsible is not fear mongering, it just is.

Incorrect statement. LOL That is comical considering people are suggesting and encouraging *safer* charge options. That's about as incorrect as it can be.

Understanding how a battery works and what makes it ignite makes the charging theories hogwash. That's it. There is nothing to figure out.

Again, you missed the point entirely. Because it's the battery, it simply does not make a difference if an incident is confirmed and unconfirmed.

[soulsmilen]

Based to some degree on the worry for using the Note 7, we should also perhaps pursue banning fireworks, since exponentially more people (especially under 21) have been injured or worse through the years. Okay, some were when drunk, but still the point is there are things with a bigger chance to hurt or kill that people approach daily as "meh" until something happens.

I keep hearing about issues happening "daily" and piling up by some posters and the media, yet the same garage and Jeep events are recycled as new, but people just now finding out. The terrible event with the 6 year old is new, but even that has respectfully yet to be verified. People even stating it was not charging while being used , but says nothing about that in the article.

All things presumed constant, anode / cathode layer breaches do not normally behave in a ticking bomb manner after initial charges and use. If it is something else beyond that and Samsung is not forthright, kiss the Note 7 (at least) goodbye. Too much attention, especially if/when the three incidents above are verified as legit concerning the Note 7.

The only thing I can think of that would cause a breach after initial charges and use is if a sharp object penetrates the cell and creates anode / cathode contact (a breach). If a layer insulation defect, the energy for an explosive like failure is not normally going to lay dormant for days and weeks of use and then suddenly, kapow!

It would be interesting to see the CPSC's findings, but that would also mean they took the time to visit, audit, interview and test the cells. That means weeks before good. None of this will add up if the issue is so grave as the media points out and this is fast tracked. Point here is I would not be surprised if this takes longer than people might expect. Again, if as dire as perceived.

Re: the battery *odes. If the separator is not adequate, it can 'wear' over time. Charging and discharging both can affect it, and each can be happening the time the separator fails.

Re: comparing this situation to banning other dangerous activities. That's absurd. There is no proposed ban on Li-ion batteries, just a recall on this particular batch.

No drama or ill will intended.

[rushmore]

I understand batteries from a chemical, physics, production, quality and post failure perspective. All batteries from garage openers to stationary cells for hospital, nuclear and subs.

There is respectfully a lot bogus info being posted in forums and the media and it seems to be a closed loop of the same info then being established as "fact".

None the less, I respect the caution.

[rushmore]

Re: the battery *odes. If the separator is not adequate, it can 'wear' over time. Charging and discharging both can affect it, and each can be happening the time the separator fails.

Re: comparing this situation to banning other dangerous activities. That's absurd. There is no proposed ban on Li-ion batteries, just a recall on this particular batch.

No drama or ill will intended.

The wear typically results in reduced capacitance and heat, but rarely explosions.

The fireworks analogy is in relation to the apparent level of worry of the Note 7 and not a ban.

[soulsmilen]

I understand batteries from a chemical, physics, production, quality and post failure perspective. All batteries from garage openers to stationary cells for hospital, nuclear and subs.

There is respectfully a lot bogus info being posted in forums and the media and it seems to be a closed loop of the same info then being established as "fact".

None the less, I respect the caution.

My information on batteries doesn't come from media or forums. I haven't read one article about the recall, nor have I seen any news reports on it. I don't watch news. Having said that, based on your comments your understanding of batteries is more extensive than mine, and I have no problem admitting that.

Eh, I'll clarify for the sake of being transparent. My opinion and stance on the 'safe charging' information does, in fact, come from the forums since that's where the encouragement to do so comes from.

Confirmation bias works both ways and can be detrimental (It's simply a word, not a dramatic word. Stating that as a disclaimer since I am now viewed as dramatic by some. Lol), especially in the case of batteries. Everytime a battery is charged safely, there is 'confirmation' it is safe. Not so, at all, as you are most assuredly aware.

At any rate, to each his own, and the bottom line is there is a safety issue. Safety comes first, and should overrule any confirmation bias. I have a safety background; however even without that, I would defer to common sense.

Appreciate the discussion rather than a more aggressive attack. (She says after wishing harm on the 6 year old's parent/s.)

[smooth4lyfe]

My question is....can the phone explode when its not charging? The article never said if the phone was charging or not
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Recalled Samsung phone explodes in little boy’s hands | New York Post

A 6-year-old Brooklyn boy suffered burns when one of Samsung’s recalled Galaxy Note 7 smartphones exploded in his hands — and his grandmother says he’s too scared to go near any other devices.

The boy was using the phone at home in East Flatbush Saturday night when it suddenly burst into flames, his grandmother said Sunday.

“The child was watching videos on the phone when the battery exploded,” Linda Lewis said of her grandson.

“It set off alarms in my house.”

The boy’s family called 911 just before 8 p.m., and he was rushed to Downstate Medical Center with burns to his body.

“He is home now,” Lewis said. “He doesn’t want to see or go near any phones. He’s been crying to his mother.”

The grandmother said the family has been in contact with Samsung about the incident and declined to comment further.

Samsung has been warning users of overheating and exploding batteries in the phone — and earlier Saturday urged owners to turn the devices off immediately and take them in for an exchange.

[Strong_Genetics]

Already posted

[soulsmilen]

The wear typically results in reduced capacitance and heat, but rarely explosions.

The fireworks analogy is in relation to the apparent level of worry of the Note 7 and not a ban.

Granted. But heat *can* affect the polymer whichever direction the ions are moving, and this is not a typical situation, admittedly so by Samsung.

[rushmore]

The main points though regardless are IMO: Caution is good and this situation sucks.

[soulsmilen]

The main points though regardless are IMO: Caution is good and this situation sucks.

Absolutely. We'll all have decisions to make once we get the final word on the process, and it sucks whatever the outcome. I don't want to wait for the next version, but if this takes a couple months or so, I will likely wait and hope it is not delayed in 2017 from this mess. That makes me very sad. 😔

[smooth4lyfe]

Oh sorry didnt see it lol