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  1. Almeuit's Avatar
    I am waiting on the V20 -- not the iPhone .
    09-20-2016 10:49 AM
  2. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    I am waiting on the V20 -- not the iPhone .
    Good luck with your future endeavors.
    09-20-2016 10:51 AM
  3. Almeuit's Avatar
    Good luck with your future endeavors.
    You're so evil to me D:
    09-20-2016 10:53 AM
  4. jlczl's Avatar
    The iPhone 7 may not have the features of top-of-the-line Android devices like the Note 7 but they are solid, well built and stable phones. Sometimes people get frustrated with the bleeding edge and just want whatever is the best device that won't give them issues especially after going through so many. I for one use IOS and Android both. I wouldn't mind picking up my brand new Note 7 today in black onyx but if I can't get ahold of one I would take an iPhone 7 if that was available, which they aren't.
    09-20-2016 10:59 AM
  5. queenren's Avatar
    I go back and forth between the two OS. I like Android to flexibility and something different I like iOS for iMessage and FaceTime and some apps are better there. I like Android since I can set things up the way I want to and play with it, I like iOS since many accessories and the BT in my Jeep work better with it. I like Android so I don't have to fight with iTunes, I like iOS since I don't have to download apps to change things to how I want them (back and menu button swapped on galaxy vs rest of Android). I like Android cause I can get apps to supplement the experience, I like iOS since I don't wait a year for updates.

    So both have benefits and drawbacks. People who make gross generalizations need to look a bit deeper. Some people may only buy something based on advertising, or not interested enough to research since they don't care, but there are pros and cons to both systems.
    I am the same way. I also go back and forth for different reasons.

    But I will admit, when I use android devices, it just feels like home.
    09-20-2016 11:05 AM
  6. jj2339's Avatar
    I am the same way. I also go back and forth for different reasons.

    But I will admit, when I use android devices, it just feels like home.
    Me too, I did Android for years before tying iOS. But sometimes Android is more work, and iOS can be easier for some functions. Neither os for me can fully satisfy the itch! I am a Libra so have trouble making up my mind alot !!
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    09-20-2016 11:09 AM
  7. 1213 1213's Avatar
    Because there is only Apple and Samsung. Lg and htc are declining and not really doing anything interesting. Rest are budget flagships.

    One example is battery life. The only thing that is as good as Samsung is the iPhone Plus.

    It really is a two horse race here, pretty much.
    09-20-2016 11:22 AM
  8. dsignori's Avatar
    Also people making battery comparisons need to realize display differences
    You know, I see this argument a lot, but I really don't think it's relevant. It helps to understand 1 factor of several that leads to better battery life, but other than that it's just sort of FYI ...

    If you think the iPhone has a good enough display (and IMO it does for the most part, it's a nice, bright, accurate screen), then what does it matter to that iPhone user that one factor of the good battery life is lower resolution . It doesn't matter to the iPhone user at all. They love their phone, they love their display, they love their battery life.

    I am probably not articulating my point very well here, but I guess I am saying when I see responses like "of course the battery life is better, the screen resolution is lower" I never feel like that should matter unless I am a pixel peeper who absolutely has to have a super dense display for some reason..
    09-20-2016 11:25 AM
  9. Climb14er's Avatar
    If I were an Apple iPhone guy, dedicated and long term and was tired of the 'system' and thought hard and jumped to the Note 7... then the whole recall happened...

    I too would dump the Note 7 and go back to the Apple OS.

    If you're serious about your phone, use it for business and to conduct your life, you've got to feel comfortable with the device you're using.

    Samsung had their opportunity to 'convert' long term iOS users. I think Sammy blew it, at least for this important go around.
    09-20-2016 11:27 AM
  10. dsignori's Avatar
    My big question is "How does Google plan to wow the public on the 4th and make them second guess an iPhone or Galaxy device?"
    The public? It won't happen. I can't see Nexus/Pixel devices selling anywhere near Samsung / iPhone levels. The phones will appeal to a fair number of folks - though WAY LESS than most in the tech world seem to think often. IMO, no matter what they do, it won't make any great number of people 2nd guess their iPhone or Galaxy purchase. They may be great phones, but it won't matter.

    It usually does get a fair number of techie folks excited though, and lots of tech blog hype and stories to go along with it. This always makes Nexus phones seem way more prevalent than they ever are. The public buys iPhones and Galaxy phones mostly. I don't see anything changing that in the near term.
    09-20-2016 11:30 AM
  11. ThrottleJohnny's Avatar
    It's the new hotness, and it's drama free. And a lot of these people are phone jumpers anyway. They'll likely be giving the S8 and Note 8 a look in just a few months.

    The iPhone 7 is a "get me over" phone. Get me over to March when the new hotness arrives or get me over to next year's iPhone which is suppose to be the real deal.
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    09-20-2016 11:51 AM
  12. Law2138's Avatar
    The public? It won't happen. I can't see Nexus/Pixel devices selling anywhere near Samsung / iPhone levels. The phones will appeal to a fair number of folks - though WAY LESS than most in the tech world seem to think often. IMO, no matter what they do, it won't make any great number of people 2nd guess their iPhone or Galaxy purchase. They may be great phones, but it won't matter.

    It usually does get a fair number of techie folks excited though, and lots of tech blog hype and stories to go along with it. This always makes Nexus phones seem way more prevalent than they ever are. The public buys iPhones and Galaxy phones mostly. I don't see anything changing that in the near term.
    You can't see Pixels selling anywhere near Samsung Galaxy/Apple iPhone levels....well I can't either. I bet Google doesn't think that's going to happen for a few years either. I'm sure they know exactly where they stand in terms of public recognition outside of the tech world. They'll need to establish themselves over time.

    Its silly to think that Google can just jump into the race and achieve Apple or Samsung-esque success. They have to start somewhere, and if they can solidify themselves as a cut above the LG, Huawei, Sony and Moto manufacturers that's a good spot to be. A good number of folk still go into carrier stores to purchase phones, so there will need to be a presence there. The challenge is being able to sell the phone through the carrier without it being branded or having the software molested.

    Google should have the vision of providing an excellent experience to those who own a Pixel device. Well rounded support, worry-free ownership, perks to using Google services, and so on. The Pixel needs more than just a unique design, fingerprint scanner and Snapdragon 821 to make it stand out.
    09-20-2016 12:05 PM
  13. donm527's Avatar
    So Google is trying to build their own phone a la iPhone. I like the idea because maybe we can get phones that Google can have full control over OS and say screw you carrier bloatware and have updates as consistent as iPhone.

    They should have kept Motorola and put their OS on that phone and rename that Pixel. I liked Motorola phone design. And they would be in the mix with Samsung and Apple faster.

    You can't see Pixels selling anywhere near Samsung Galaxy/Apple iPhone levels....well I can't either. I bet Google doesn't think that's going to happen for a few years either. I'm sure they know exactly where they stand in terms of public recognition outside of the tech world. They'll need to establish themselves over time.
    09-20-2016 12:12 PM
  14. Jona005's Avatar
    My big question is "How does Google plan to wow the public on the 4th and make them second guess an iPhone or Galaxy device?"

    Obviously, they'll need to offer exceptional customer service and support.
    Provide some type of exclusive feature(s) that sets the Pixels apart from any other Android device.
    Could we see Google holding back some features in future Android updates for manufacturers?
    (Samsung, Huawei, LG, Moto will still get Android, but not the same as the Pixels will.)
    From initial leaked pics it seems like they plan on "wowing the public" with another iphone design clone.
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    09-20-2016 12:18 PM
  15. dsignori's Avatar
    You can't see Pixels selling anywhere near Samsung Galaxy/Apple iPhone levels....well I can't either. I bet Google doesn't think that's going to happen for a few years either. I'm sure they know exactly where they stand in terms of public recognition outside of the tech world. They'll need to establish themselves over time.

    Its silly to think that Google can just jump into the race and achieve Apple or Samsung-esque success. They have to start somewhere, and if they can solidify themselves as a cut above the LG, Huawei, Sony and Moto manufacturers that's a good spot to be. A good number of folk still go into carrier stores to purchase phones, so there will need to be a presence there. The challenge is being able to sell the phone through the carrier without it being branded or having the software molested.

    Google should have the vision of providing an excellent experience to those who own a Pixel device. Well rounded support, worry-free ownership, perks to using Google services, and so on. The Pixel needs more than just a unique design, fingerprint scanner and Snapdragon 821 to make it stand out.
    I agree with all that.

    However, Google started with the Nexus One in 2010 maybe? They've had a while to try this. It isn't new to them at this point. It's just not what consumers want now. Consumers don't want pure Android. Rinse, repeat. They just don't have a wide appeal. Consumers want the best screen, the best camera, and maybe a fast phone. The Nexus phones have never been the "best" at anything IMO , except for updates. They are very good phones with boring (modern) software IMO. I don't see this changing soon...
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    09-20-2016 12:20 PM
  16. bgapfire's Avatar
    I have no OS allegiance, but I've primarily used Android with a touch of Blackberry back in the day. With that out of the way, I picked up a 6s+ to TRY out until my Note 7 replacement was fulfilled. My daughter has an iPad and a relative has a 6s+ but there is nothing like owning and making a true assessment with real time on and regular usage. After using the 6s+ for a week, I would classify it as a refined piece of hardware and software. Since Apple is responsible for both, there is an integration that is hard to describe unless you have used a competing OS for multiple years. It was different. I didn't love it nor did I dislike it. Here are some of my observations:

    1. I love the back button on Android. I know that Apple have the back button at the top left of the screen AND the ability to swipe but that isn't available for every app. The use of the back button in Android for me is just something I have to have now. This is certainly due to the fact I've used it for so long, but it is a must have for me.

    2. Battery. I can't speak for anyone else or your own mobile usage but the 6s+ battery was AWESOME! In my regular usage, I was able to get better time with it than my Note 7. Again, this may be due to the fact they're responsibe for hardware and software but I am a believer now. I went on a camping trip over the weekend and was able to use the phone regularly and didn't have to charge until I got back in my car. I was truly impressed. Having said that, they need fast charging. OMG! Are you kidding me? It takes forever to charge that phone.

    3. Messaging. iMessage blah, blah, blah. That portion didn't move me as much as the plethora of fun options that are stock with the application (iOS10). I'm well into my 40s and actually enjoyed the GIFs, stickers, and other options because a couple of relatives made them fun. I know we don't have to have those things in a stock Android messaging app but it is nice to have available for those that want them without having to download an app that can.

    4. Font. I actually like the font used for the phone. Just a personal observation and not much more to say about it.

    5. Not obvious. Every accessory I connected to the iPhone had a visible meter at the top of the phone. This may be a small thing to some but I really got a kick out of that. Once again, built into without any apps is how I like to do things.

    I didn't dislike the phone but I don't like it more than the Note 7. It truly showed me that both companies can continue to push each other for phone nirvana. LOL. I may potentially own one as a second phone but it would never be my primary. When my replacement Note 7 arrived yesterday, I couldn't wait to get it back in my hands. I just marvel at what Samsung has done with a big phone and made it so manageable. It is hard to buy a 5.7 inch screen and the ergonomics are not similar to the Note at this point. People bang on Samsung for all of the "gimmicks" and "unnecessary" options but I love it. I like having those options there for when I DO use them. The notifications on Android just have more control and I missed that in the one week with Apple. Lastly, the camera on my daughter's S7 was crushing the 6s+ while we were camping. We'd take the same pictures in the same lighting and it wasn't even close. I don't know about the 7+ but I'll stick with Sammy when it comes to cameras. I am certain we all will be able to pull our best pictures with our preferred phones and say that camera is the best. LOL. Note 7 FTW... BTW... my backup phone is always a Nexus.
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    09-20-2016 12:36 PM
  17. Law2138's Avatar
    I agree with all that.

    However, Google started with the Nexus One in 2010 maybe? They've had a while to try this. It isn't new to them at this point. It's just not what consumers want now. Consumers don't want pure Android. Rinse, repeat. They just don't Three isn't an appeal. They wan the best screen, the best camera, and maybe a fast phone. The Nexus phones have never been the "best" at anything IMO , except for updates. They are very good phones with boring (modern) software IMO. I don't see this changing soon...
    Well, let's all hope Google is getting away from the Nexus approach. Nexus devices appealed to developers, fanboys (and girls), and purists. In 2010, Google as a whole was very different. We didn't have the ecosystem that exists now. Google maps, play TV and movies, music, books, keep, photos, drive, YouTube, and Google Now are well established. Chromecast, Chromebooks, Android Wear, Nest and OnHub are all a part of Google.

    Nexus was always marketed as pure Android. On Oct 4th, I don't expect "pure Android". I expect to see Google's attempt at bringing all things together and providing their interpretation of a great user experience. Samsung does it with TouchWiz and Galaxy Apps, along with VR and Fit Accessories. Apple has been doing it with Apple iOS, Apple Watch, iTunes and Macs.

    For a while, I used Apple and iTunes, then I came to Android and spent time with Samsung and their products. The rumored premium pricing and use of the Snapdragon 821 strongly indicates Google is trying to be the best at something other than quick updates.
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    09-20-2016 01:37 PM
  18. bobxxz's Avatar
    I picked iPhone to replace my Note 7 because of battery life and Apple iPhone just works. Other companies in android are meh.
    09-20-2016 02:26 PM
  19. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Well, let's all hope Google is getting away from the Nexus approach. Nexus devices appealed to developers, fanboys (and girls), and purists. In 2010, Google as a whole was very different. We didn't have the ecosystem that exists now. Google maps, play TV and movies, music, books, keep, photos, drive, YouTube, and Google Now are well established. Chromecast, Chromebooks, Android Wear, Nest and OnHub are all a part of Google.

    Nexus was always marketed as pure Android. On Oct 4th, I don't expect "pure Android". I expect to see Google's attempt at bringing all things together and providing their interpretation of a great user experience. Samsung does it with TouchWiz and Galaxy Apps, along with VR and Fit Accessories. Apple has been doing it with Apple iOS, Apple Watch, iTunes and Macs.

    For a while, I used Apple and iTunes, then I came to Android and spent time with Samsung and their products. The rumored premium pricing and use of the Snapdragon 821 strongly indicates Google is trying to be the best at something other than quick updates.
    "I don't expect to see pure Android.. "

    I will bet this option is still available to anyone who is interested in having it though.

    To my way of thinking.. The Nexus phones have evolved way beyond being just a developers phone. My 6p is light years ahead of the first iterations and leaps and bounds above many other phones out today.

    Now why anyone would go from the Note 7 to a iPhone 7 unless it was their first Android and the recall has soured them, I haven't a clue. I would rather be stuck with a carrier branded phone that never receives any updates than move to ios. As it stands I don't need to update my 6p this year and look forward to seeing what will come out in 2017..
    09-20-2016 03:03 PM
  20. jj2339's Avatar
    "I don't expect to see pure Android.. "


    Now why anyone would go from the Note 7 to a iPhone 7 unless it was their first Android and the recall has soured them, I haven't a clue. I would rather be stuck with a carrier branded phone that never receives any updates than move to ios..
    But if you read above, you should have a clue since several people explained. It's not an us vs them mentality, or should not be. It isn't for a lot of people actually, but I've never understood the fierce attachment to a brand of phone that some people have, whether a fan of apple or Android. It's a phone.
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    09-20-2016 03:31 PM
  21. JAG21979's Avatar
    I just don't get this. All the talk about a mess of angry, dissatisfied Note 7 customers defecting to iPhone.

    How does dissatisfaction with one Android phone mean an automatic defection to iPhone?-A completely different eco system. Wouldn't the vast majority of Note 7 users look to another Android flagship?

    Haven't most people who can afford a Note 7 invested in apps on Google Play? Apps that you buy that is not carried over to ios. My Sygic navigation app cost me $50 AU and I lose that if I go to ios.

    I just can't see the logic of all this. I can understand a mass defection from the Note 7 to either the S7 or other Androids, but I just can't see the reason why you would switch completely different eco systems and operating platforms.
    Apple may not be the one to do it first, but they're the ones who seem to get things right most of the time because they don't just cram stuff in their phones just for the sake of having everything much like Samsung. Maybe they know something we don't about how to make a phone that doesn't blow up in your face. Hope you all read the article that says Samsung was trying to compete so hard against the iPhone it's quality control slipped. Sorry to say that Apple has perfected its OS and software and hardware integration. It's perfectly optimized and the way it's made, it doesn't need all the bells and whistles to be the best!
    09-20-2016 04:37 PM
  22. sandra_17's Avatar
    ...You can't customize as much but also not a bad thing either because you're not tinkering with it as much. You have an iPhone, you have all the apps you want to put on it and it just gets the job done. ... Just a solid phone.....
    That is why I could never use Apple products. I live to tinker, lol I posted on another topic that I was a member of Howard Forums since 2004, first using BitPim for my LG flip phones, then went BlackBerry from '08 til my Note 3 in 2013 (yes, old as dirt!). Some folks love messing with their phones, others hate it, some in between. My daughter is 26, went to F.I.T. in NYC and enrolled in 2008 when she AND all her friends had BlackBerries and their primary means of communication was BBM. By the end of her two years there, she (and nearly every other student) ditched her Windows PC and BB for a Mac laptop, iPad and iPhone, and now they all communicate with FaceTime and iPhone's messaging. She's very creative and artistic, and wants her phone to be a phone, her computer a computer, tablet a tablet. Doesn't really change much on either. Finds doing so a waste of time. For me it's an enjoyable pastime.

    My husband is several years older than me (older than dirt??), is in management in IT, and wants nothing technical to do on his PC or phone at home. I'm very surprised he hasn't gone Apple yet (he gets all of my previous phones when I upgrade). Pretty sure he'd go back to a flip phone if it was free. He and my 27 yr old son are both kinda in the middle tho my son does like to customize a bit.

    My oldest son, 30, is at the far other end of the spectrum. He's a Nexus guy thru and thru (well, maybe Pixel soon?), MUST root, custom ROM, etc. (that far I've never gone...yet ) He's been a tinkerer since toddler-hood, builds PC's for fun, is a network systems admin now. And cell phones are pocket PC's for him as for me. So Apple products apparently do have a place, and some people just want a phone. Personally I think they'd make my skin itch!

    (Wonder how many of us who dislike Apple products have issues with authority figures, lol??!)
    09-20-2016 04:39 PM
  23. dsignori's Avatar
    Samsung was trying to compete so hard against the iPhone it's quality control slipped.
    Um, OK I guess THAT is why all this happened :-)


    Sorry to say that Apple has perfected its OS and software and hardware integration
    They have excellent hardware and software integration, but the OS is light years from perfect. Notifications are worse than ever, you still have to have every single app on your home screens, just like 2007 - I could go on.

    They may not try to cram things into the OS like Samsung as you say, but they are too far the other way - seems like nothing ever changes. A 2007 iphone home screen looks like today's. Maybe that is good in some people's eyes. I would want a bit more progress if it were me. Less over-cramming of features than Samsung, but way more innovation than iOS. Perhaps somewhere in the middle is happiness :-)
    09-20-2016 04:44 PM
  24. soldier45's Avatar
    #Hissgate #NoCellServiceGate #NoHeadphoneJack. Also no wireless charging and 720p/1080p screen. Most of you changing over to it will regret it. No thanks.
    09-20-2016 04:51 PM
  25. recDNA's Avatar
    Iphone 7+ out. Lg v20 not
    09-20-2016 04:55 PM
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