10-21-2016 06:56 PM
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  1. The Phone Company's Avatar
    This was the statement they initially released with the first recall. We now know that they were just throwing something out there. They have since admitted that they can't find the problem and that the government of South Korea has gotten involved in trying to find the problem. Why would the government get involved if they didn't suspect some funny business?
    Exactly, if this was actually a reality, then here's the deal. Phones explode/catch fire, consider these then damaged devices evidence. They get sent in to be examined by expert analysts in the field. This alone would explain what was the problem with these supposed faulty products IF this was actually the case.
    The fact that the supposed owners of these supposed exploded Note 7's refused to turn their devices in speaks volumes!
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    10-19-2016 10:53 AM
  2. Almeuit's Avatar
    This was the statement they initially released with the first recall. We now know that they were just throwing something out there.
    Well since you seem to not even be taking a direct quote as evidence I will bow out of the conversation now. I prefer to discuss facts and not just say stuff is "made up" or whatever with no real evidence. If the phone manufacturer says they had an issue, knew about it, and it caused this then I will trust that over a random theory.
    10-19-2016 11:00 AM
  3. Wiley_11's Avatar
    Seems odd to me that after the final recall no more exploding reports.
    ateamlawn, Mayze, Weils and 3 others like this.
    10-19-2016 11:04 AM
  4. ateamlawn's Avatar
    The question is; does Google stand to loose big if Samsung were to make a move to Tizen? The is absolutely they would. Now if anyone would know how to hack Samsung's phones it would be Google. Google's strategy will no longer work unless it is the top producer of Android devices. The Chinese are making some incredible smartphones now and they are for the most part using forked version of Android. You have to admit Google is at big time risk here. The Note 7 was just too good for Google to handle. Apple does not have to worry about Samsung just yet because their customers are so loyal and the American media is 100% helping them with that. Please let's debate what Google stands to lose.
    10-19-2016 11:04 AM
  5. ateamlawn's Avatar
    Well since you seem to not even be taking a direct quote as evidence I will bow out of the conversation now. I prefer to discuss facts and not just say stuff is "made up" or whatever with no real evidence. If the phone manufacturer says they had an issue, knew about it, and it caused this then I will trust that over a random theory.
    How can you say that was the problem when you had problems with the replacement devices. That's a fact!
    10-19-2016 11:07 AM
  6. cperrry1's Avatar
    Yes they are, but the fruit company makes more per phone. I dont mean to make it a competiton between the two, even though for many it is. All im saying is I moved from HTC to Samsung when I first saw the Note 2. Been a fan every since. Not because it Samsung, but because of the things they are doing. I read from numerous sites daily, and no matter what Samsung does, its just not good enough compared to the fruit company, and for me, there is no comparison. The note 7 was the first phone where I saw even the hardest critics give praise. What it comes down to is perception, and right now the perception is Samsung phones blow up, not just the note, Samsung phones. The Fruit company has a phone blow up, and the customer takes it in for a new phone and a free watch.

    The average consumer doesnt care who manufactures the phone. Its the name on the phone. And its sad to say, but Samsung is FIRE, and not in a good way.
    10-19-2016 11:09 AM
  7. donm527's Avatar
    I don't think Google has anything to worry about if Samsung goes completely Tizen and doubt they would go completely Tizen.

    Yes, they stole the idea of going full slab OS over their initial BB type design after Jobs showed Schmidt his iphone design while he was on Apples Board... but the idea they could be part of an effort to sabotage phones even by hacking and put people in harm... no basis.

    The question is; does Google stand to loose big if Samsung were to make a move to Tizen? The is absolutely they would. Now if anyone would know how to hack Samsung's phones it would be Google. Google's strategy will no longer work unless it is the top producer of Android devices. The Chinese are making some incredible smartphones now and they are for the most part using forked version of Android. You have to admit Google is at big time risk here. The Note 7 was just too good for Google to handle. Apple does not have to worry about Samsung just yet because their customers are so loyal and the American media is 100% helping them with that. Please let's debate what Google stands to lose.
    10-19-2016 11:18 AM
  8. ateamlawn's Avatar
    Yes they are, but the fruit company makes more per phone. I dont mean to make it a competiton between the two, even though for many it is. All im saying is I moved from HTC to Samsung when I first saw the Note 2. Been a fan every since. Not because it Samsung, but because of the things they are doing. I read from numerous sites daily, and no matter what Samsung does, its just not good enough compared to the fruit company, and for me, there is no comparison. The note 7 was the first phone where I saw even the hardest critics give praise. What it comes down to is perception, and right now the perception is Samsung phones blow up, not just the note, Samsung phones. The Fruit company has a phone blow up, and the customer takes it in for a new phone and a free watch.

    The average consumer doesnt care who manufactures the phone. Its the name on the phone. And its sad to say, but Samsung is FIRE, and not in a good way.
    Samsung will be manufacturing the screens for the next iPhone which is said to be a curved display. Like I said in my original post Samsung most now go ahead and make the move that Google is afraid they will make. They have no choice now. If they do not the sabatoge will continue. Yes their is a risk. They just have to figure out how to allow Android apps to run on Tizen until they improve their app store.
    10-19-2016 11:22 AM
  9. 1213 1213's Avatar
    Well since you seem to not even be taking a direct quote as evidence I will bow out of the conversation now. I prefer to discuss facts and not just say stuff is "made up" or whatever with no real evidence. If the phone manufacturer says they had an issue, knew about it, and it caused this then I will trust that over a random theory.
    But they have said they don't know what the issue is with the replacements, which caused the phone to be axed. These are the ones that seem to sporadically explode on planes, unlike the first batch that exploded just after charging. You seem to be completely ignoring those facts.
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    10-19-2016 11:30 AM
  10. Almeuit's Avatar
    But they have said they don't know what the issue is with the replacements, which caused the phone to be axed. These are the ones that seem to sporadically explode on planes, unlike the first batch that exploded just after charging. You seem to be completely ignoring those facts.
    Actually the first batch wasn't only charging -- that is what everyone assumed at first. Reports from ones that weren't charging blew up as well. As I said I am done with the conversation -- you guys can hash it out .
    10-19-2016 11:32 AM
  11. ateamlawn's Avatar
    I don't think Google has anything to worry about if Samsung goes completely Tizen and doubt they would go completely Tizen.

    Yes, they stole the idea of going full slab OS over their initial BB type design after Jobs showed Schmidt his iphone design while he was on Apples Board... but the idea they could be part of an effort to sabotage phones even by hacking and put people in harm... no basis.
    I didn't say they would go completely Tizen. I said if they moved their flagships which they have publicly talked about doing. I think the president is with their line of smartwatches. They original moved their flagship smartwatch to Tizen and still had a Android Wear version. The people went for the better watch which was on Tizen and then they dumped Android Wear. Do you think they are not seriously considering the move.
    10-19-2016 11:32 AM
  12. ThrottleJohnny's Avatar
    A South Korean Titan company a victim of potential sabotage?

    No, that could NEVER happen.
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    10-19-2016 11:37 AM
  13. 1213 1213's Avatar
    Actually the first batch wasn't only charging -- that is what everyone assumed at first. Reports from ones that weren't charging blew up as well. As I said I am done with the conversation -- you guys can hash it out .
    I never said just when charging, but just after charging. I don't recall any reports of those exploding that weren't related to charging. Unlike the replacements which were far more sporadic, and also didn't have a hot patch to limit the charge, and Samsung has also said they don't know what caused the replacements to explode, nor the CPSC or the S. Korean government.

    If it was the same issue then why on earth haven't they said so and instead are in the midst of a thorough investigation? So either you were wrong to dispute the first person who told you Samsung's first response was wrong, or you were wrong to dispute my post highlighting that the replacements are different.
    But feel free to ignore the facts.
    10-19-2016 11:40 AM
  14. ultravisitor's Avatar
    do you think there was some campaign against Samsung and the N7
    No.
    10-19-2016 11:42 AM
  15. cperrry1's Avatar
    Not sure if Tizen is the answer, at least for smartphones. In the US, the fruit company is king. The media sees to that, most of your major tech sites see to that. From what I see, its bigger than Samsung vs the fruit company. Its about keeping the King, the King, by any mean necessary. And as long as the fruit lovers stay loyal, they will remain the King, in the US anyway. And im fine with that, thats the American way, right lol.

    For me, its nothing else out there that compares to what Samsung does, and I follow HTC, LG, Motorola, even the fruit company.
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    10-19-2016 11:43 AM
  16. From A Buick 8's Avatar
    And yet...they continued to have issues.

    So their explanation was either BS, or they didn't even bother to fix the issue.
    Just my 2 cents, that explanation is correct. The mistake was that they took the existing phones and tried to segregate the good from the bad (as evidenced by folks getting replacement phones with double labels). Is was those reused phones that are still malfunctioning
    If this was even remotely possible -- why would Samsung openly ADMIT fault? They admitted they messed up the batteries and knew they did. How would that have anything to do with Google?

    1+1 doesn't equal 4.
    10-19-2016 11:59 AM
  17. donm527's Avatar
    By Google? Come on.

    A South Korean Titan company a victim of potential sabotage?

    No, that could NEVER happen.
    10-19-2016 12:01 PM
  18. ThrottleJohnny's Avatar
    By Google? Come on.
    I didn't say that. No major company would be dumb enough to do it themselves. A government or an online movement would be far more likely.

    Difficult to prove however, and Samsung has already thrown in the towel anyway.

    I'm just saying it's possible. Just ask Sony.
    10-19-2016 12:09 PM
  19. donm527's Avatar
    No I agree it's possible for any company can be a victim... just question from who.

    I didn't say that. No major company would be dumb enough to do it themselves. A government, an online movement would be far more likely.

    Difficult to prove however, and Samsung has already thrown in the towel anyway.

    I'm just saying it's possible. Just ask Sony.
    10-19-2016 12:31 PM
  20. GrooveRite's Avatar
    maybe could be some sub-standard material used in the phone to save a few pennies and would be an embarrassment if found it. Don't think we'll be told at this point.
    Out of all the speculations and theories I've read in this thread so far.....I liked donm527's best!
    10-19-2016 12:32 PM
  21. Wiley_11's Avatar
    No I agree it's possible for any company can be a victim... just question from who.
    Wall Street! Google and Apple are their cash cows, comes to mind. But we may never know what *really* caused the thermal runaway...........
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    10-19-2016 01:01 PM
  22. ateamlawn's Avatar
    Look I could certainly be wrong about all of this. I don't think so though but it's possible. The just question everything. I've seen too many conspiracies pan out. The purpose for me find a forum thread to pitch my theory is to see if there are other people thinking the same thing. I'd like to see some of the major channels try to knock down my theory. No one here has done so to my satisfaction. Rooted in my theory is that the CIA/ NSA has been heavily invested and Guiding major U.S. tech companies. The pattern had been that everyone would follow after the U.S. companies but if a foreign company decided that go there own way it becomes a big problem. Especially for a company as huge as Samsung.
    10-19-2016 01:03 PM
  23. Mayze's Avatar
    https://www.cnet.com/news/over-1-mil...ill-on-recall/

    http://www.androidheadlines.com/2016...till-used.html

    Funny there's over a million still in use and no incidents reported recently.....? 🤔
    10-19-2016 01:04 PM
  24. jgraves1107's Avatar
    Well something on Google's own app could explain thermal runaway. I mean it's not far fetched with all these phones that came out around the same time. All it takes is one app to run the cpu through the roof and boom.
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    10-19-2016 01:04 PM
  25. rushmore's Avatar
    I would say claiming absolutely there was one, or was not one is equally off, since we do not know (if did or not, intentional or unintentional).

    Just as well, I prefer my Note 4's display and luv the battery option. Ditto for better signal reception and saved $975 counting the return of the N7 and Gear VR. Plus got a free 256GB card

    I can spin ALL day
    10-19-2016 01:13 PM
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