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  1. datum9's Avatar
    No removable battery = no go.

    Apparently not learned the lessons of Galaxy 7.
    toenail_flicker likes this.
    08-29-2017 07:55 AM
  2. jamezr's Avatar
    When was the last time a Note had a removable battery? Samsung is not going to go back to removable batteries....time for everyone to move past this idea.

    Then read up on why the N7 battery had problems. It really had nothing to do with being removable.

    If having a removable battery is a requirement for you to buy a new phone....good luck! :-)
    08-29-2017 08:01 AM
  3. debdroid1a's Avatar
    No removable battery = no go.

    Apparently not learned the lessons of Galaxy 7.
    Even if the Note 7 had a removable battery, you'd had to take it out, send it to Samsung and have no phone.

    New phones with new batteries weren't available right away, so no battery would be either. People had to get replacement temporary phones. The replacement was better than no phone IMO.
    jamezr, Chrisdil, Serkle K and 1 others like this.
    08-29-2017 08:11 AM
  4. jlost's Avatar
    No removable battery = no go.

    Apparently not learned the lessons of Galaxy 7.
    Good luck with getting a new phone.
    08-29-2017 08:46 AM
  5. chanchan05's Avatar
    When everything all the way down to the budget models are starting to move to nonremovable batteries.... Good luck.

    There weren't any lessons to be learned from the Note 7. Removable or not, that battery will explode.
    tube517 and jimd1050 like this.
    08-29-2017 08:54 AM
  6. datum9's Avatar
    When was the last time a Note had a removable battery? Samsung is not going to go back to removable batteries....time for everyone to move past this idea.

    Then read up on why the N7 battery had problems. It really had nothing to do with being removable.

    If having a removable battery is a requirement for you to buy a new phone....good luck! :-)

    Note 4. I got a new Note last year and it runs just fine. There are tons of NIB, cheap Note 4 models.

    It's time for me to move past the Samsung idea. LG V20, here I come. Maybe V30.
    08-29-2017 09:04 AM
  7. datum9's Avatar
    Even if the Note 7 had a removable battery, you'd had to take it out, send it to Samsung and have no phone.

    New phones with new batteries weren't available right away, so no battery would be either. People had to get replacement temporary phones. The replacement was better than no phone IMO.
    Every heard of ZeroLemon? they provide replacement batteries, an alternative to OEM. Mugen and others also.

    Ever heard of concept of having a backup battery? I wouldn't send anything anywhere, but wait for an upgraded battery to arrive while using an aftermarket one.

    Galaxy 7, that was an expensive lesson.
    08-29-2017 09:06 AM
  8. datum9's Avatar
    The thing about fixed, non-user replaceable batteries that is the phone is planned obsolescence. The Li-ion cell can only take so many charges. Maybe 1000-1500 cycles. but its performance begins to degrade whether you use it or not, even just sitting there, charged. So after a year of charging and discharging, x number of cycles, it won't work at an optimum level like new. It won't fail but will have reduced capacity versus a new Li-ion.

    So you buy this nice expensive phone that retails like a laptop for $900 or something and then you have to upgrade to Galaxy Note 10 in a few years when it comes out. Instead of just installing a newer battery.

    No reason why a phone cannot last for 5 years, for those who refuse the buy-new - throw away cycle.
    08-29-2017 09:19 AM
  9. debdroid1a's Avatar
    Every heard of ZeroLemon? they provide replacement batteries, an alternative to OEM. Mugen and others also.

    Ever heard of concept of having a backup battery? I wouldn't send anything anywhere, but wait for an upgraded battery to arrive while using an aftermarket one.

    Galaxy 7, that was an expensive lesson.
    You would trust a battery, manufactured just like Samsung battery, in a phone? Ok then.
    08-29-2017 09:25 AM
  10. debdroid1a's Avatar
    The thing about fixed, non-user replaceable batteries that is the phone is planned obsolescence. The Li-ion cell can only take so many charges. Maybe 1000-1500 cycles. but its performance begins to degrade whether you use it or not, even just sitting there, charged. So after a year of charging and discharging, x number of cycles, it won't work at an optimum level like new. It won't fail but will have reduced capacity versus a new Li-ion.

    So you buy this nice expensive phone that retails like a laptop for $900 or something and then you have to upgrade to Galaxy Note 10 in a few years when it comes out. Instead of just installing a newer battery.

    No reason why a phone cannot last for 5 years, for those who refuse the buy-new - throw away cycle.
    So that, NIB , not being used but draining, applies to the Note 4 batteries as well.
    jamezr likes this.
    08-29-2017 09:27 AM
  11. gpatrick15's Avatar
    This , again. It's a waste of a thread. Samsung, in addition to a large majority of manufacturers, moved away from removable batteries and it doesn't appear that they're looking back. There's no need to express your displeasure in this known fact on a new thread when plenty of other threads already exist debating this same topic. And it always boils down to "I'll just keep my Note 4," which is certainly your prerogative. But I think the updated software enhancements that come with the upgrades outweigh the need to swap batteries.
    08-29-2017 09:57 AM
  12. gpatrick15's Avatar
    The V20 has a removable battery and it gets some of the worst battery life of any phone I've owned. The solution to me wasn't to just buy a new battery, my solution was to get rid of the phone. The phone was the issue, and having a removable battery didn't have any bearing in my decision making.
    08-29-2017 09:58 AM
  13. Dark Pixels ll's Avatar
    Note 4. I got a new Note last year and it runs just fine. There are tons of NIB, cheap Note 4 models.

    It's time for me to move past the Samsung idea. LG V20, here I come. Maybe V30.
    Good luck. V30 will not have a removable battery.
    Jewels81, L0n3N1nja and Gray Area like this.
    08-29-2017 10:05 AM
  14. jamezr's Avatar
    Note 4. I got a new Note last year and it runs just fine. There are tons of NIB, cheap Note 4 models.

    It's time for me to move past the Samsung idea. LG V20, here I come. Maybe V30.
    They v20 is a good phone. The v30 will not have a removable battery from everything I have read. The problem with the N4 and it being 3 year older now is warranty and updates.
    08-29-2017 10:10 AM
  15. jamezr's Avatar
    Every heard of ZeroLemon? they provide replacement batteries, an alternative to OEM. Mugen and others also.

    Ever heard of concept of having a backup battery? I wouldn't send anything anywhere, but wait for an upgraded battery to arrive while using an aftermarket one.

    Galaxy 7, that was an expensive lesson.
    I have 2 Anker 20000 mAh external batteries than can charge my devices anytime it is needed. They are good for more than just my phone too. They can actually jump start a car.....my iPad and any-other phone.

    I understand you prefer removable batteries in your phones. But if that is a requirement for you then your list of choices is dwindling very fast.
    Gray Area likes this.
    08-29-2017 10:14 AM
  16. Almeuit's Avatar
    No removable battery = no go.

    Apparently not learned the lessons of Galaxy 7.
    To be honest -- I believe Samsung is done with removable.
    jamezr and Aquila like this.
    08-29-2017 10:15 AM
  17. chanchan05's Avatar
    This , again. It's a waste of a thread. Samsung, in addition to a large majority of manufacturers, moved away from removable batteries and it doesn't appear that they're looking back. There's no need to express your displeasure in this known fact on a new thread when plenty of other threads already exist debating this same topic. And it always boils down to "I'll just keep my Note 4," which is certainly your prerogative. But I think the updated software enhancements that come with the upgrades outweigh the need to swap batteries.
    Plus the fact that newer batteries have longer charge cycles than before. We're still stuck in the 2010 thinking that batteties have like 500 cycles before deteriorating, when batteries with 60,000 cycles before deteriorating lifespans have been existent since last year. Heck there's already an existing battery with 200,000 cycles. Obviously these aren't the ones in our phones though.

    In 2012 a study was done where the average lifespan of a commercial battery was between 2000-10,000 cycles before 20% degradation and that was dependent on the charging cycle patterns done by the user, and not the battery itself. That was back in 2012 and battery tech has been improving since then.
    08-29-2017 10:19 AM
  18. Jona005's Avatar
    Honestly, I think there is a better chance of Samsung running iOS than them returning to removable batteries for flagships. Between the design, ever-increasing thinness of phones, and water-resistance, I don't see any reason for them to do so. The industry as a whole is basically making removable batteries for phones look like cassette tapes at this point. Also, what happened with the N7 was not a lesson in changing a phone's design backwards a few years.
    gpatrick15 likes this.
    08-29-2017 10:35 AM
  19. justin1578's Avatar
    Honestly, I think there is a better chance of Samsung running iOS

    If it comes with a stylus and a back button Im all on that!

    Of course this coming from the person that wished for an Apple made s8 Active Note
    Jona005 and Serkle K like this.
    08-29-2017 11:18 AM
  20. ahaxton's Avatar
    Per Samsung, after 2 years of daily charging the battery in the S8, S8+ and Note 8 should maintain 95% of its original capacity. That's 5% degradation over 2 years. I think a non-removable battery will be fine.
    08-29-2017 11:31 AM
  21. gpatrick15's Avatar
    The Note 4 was released in 2014. People complaining about the non removable battery are operating under the false notion that battery tech hasn't improved since 2014.
    08-29-2017 11:40 AM
  22. Isaiah Peterson's Avatar
    There is more reason to desire a removable battery than to just easily replace worn out batteries. If you are using the phone heavily and don't have time to charge, being able to quickly swap in a second, fully charged battery is very useful. There may be other ways to extend battery life, but they are not as convenient.
    08-29-2017 11:48 AM
  23. chanchan05's Avatar
    Per Samsung, after 2 years of daily charging the battery in the S8, S8+ and Note 8 should maintain 95% of its original capacity. That's 5% degradation over 2 years. I think a non-removable battery will be fine.
    That's for a charge cycle of 85% discharge depth, from 100% down to probably 15% (when charge battery warning notification comes up). But did you know that using a discharge depth cycle of only 50% triples the cycles?

    If a discharge depth of 85% gives you say 700 cycles for 700 days or almost two years to reach 5% deterioration, then a discharge depth of 50% should give you about 2100 cycles over 1050 days (since you charge twice a day) or almost 3 years before it deteriorates by 5%.

    Lesson, plug your phone in when it hits 50%.
    Gray Area likes this.
    08-29-2017 11:48 AM
  24. toenail_flicker's Avatar
    No removable battery = no go.

    Apparently not learned the lessons of Galaxy 7.
    yeah. surprised here too.
    08-29-2017 04:16 PM
  25. jlost's Avatar
    Every heard of ZeroLemon? they provide replacement batteries, an alternative to OEM. Mugen and others also.

    Ever heard of concept of having a backup battery? I wouldn't send anything anywhere, but wait for an upgraded battery to arrive while using an aftermarket one.

    Galaxy 7, that was an expensive lesson.
    How much bulk does it add?
    08-29-2017 04:30 PM
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