11-15-2017 07:46 AM
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  1. Jon Garrett's Avatar
    Ok so I'm looking at jumping ship from Apple to Samsung. I have the iPhone X and I'm not impressed with it at all. I haven't been with an Android phone since the note 5, so coming back is gonna be a little hard. I have a few questions for those that have made the jump.

    1. How did you deal with switch back to sms instead of imessage, Most of my friends and family have iPhones.

    2. How well do the emoji's switch over when sending

    3. How are the updates from Samsung? Apple is always on the updates to fix or improve issues

    4. Can someone help a brother out lol
    1-3 are just plain silly. iMessage only works with iOS, your SMS works with everything. I text people with both and nobody ever had a problem with anybody else's messages or emoji.

    If iMessage and emoji are priorities for you then you have no business using a Note or Galaxy S because they're tools not toys.

    Updates is the hyper-used term to address iOS shortcomings. iOS "updates" are 90% patches and bug fixes and you get exactly the same from Samsung, MONTHLY patches and bug fixes.

    iOS "updates" to "new" versions to give you the illusion that you're getting something special--Samsung has moved it core apps to the Play Store and their own store so while Android might be a bit behind all you system apps are up to date, Apple has to update it's entire OS.

    Lastly, when iOS gets new features, they're new to iPhone users and years old to everyone else.

    For me personally, it all comes down to usefulness--I CANNOT work within the confines of iOS, entirely too many restrictions that get in the way of everyday use. Simple things like;

    Not allowing me to complete a task using the app of my choice.

    Not being able to download files from my browser (something I do almost daily)

    Efficient swipe keyboards

    Plus all the smart features on my S8.
    11-13-2017 09:05 AM
  2. Gayle Lynn's Avatar
    What Project Treble Means for Future Custom ROM Development xda-developers.com

    This should help give Android phones the ability to receive Apple-like updates, at least on flagship phones. While the average Android flagship receives 2 major updates in a 24 month period, iPhone devices get a minimum of 4 years of iOS updates, including minor ones.

    https://www.xda-developers.com/proje...m-development/

    Oreo has a game-changing Android feature
    Bgr.com
    How cool would it be for non-Pixel devices to get almost instant Android updates? That’s something Google was never able to achieve no matter how much it tried. Android fragmentation is a major defeat that was almost always sold as an advantage to the user. But it definitely isn’t.

    Oreo has a game-changing Android feature, but you won’t even realize it’s there – BGR
    11-13-2017 09:34 AM
  3. jjinal's Avatar
    1-3 are just plain silly. iMessage only works with iOS, your SMS works with everything. I text people with both and nobody ever had a problem with anybody else's messages or emoji.

    If iMessage and emoji are priorities for you then you have no business using a Note or Galaxy S because they're tools not toys.

    Updates is the hyper-used term to address iOS shortcomings. iOS "updates" are 90% patches and bug fixes and you get exactly the same from Samsung, MONTHLY patches and bug fixes.

    iOS "updates" to "new" versions to give you the illusion that you're getting something special--Samsung has moved it core apps to the Play Store and their own store so while Android might be a bit behind all you system apps are up to date, Apple has to update it's entire OS.

    Lastly, when iOS gets new features, they're new to iPhone users and years old to everyone else.

    For me personally, it all comes down to usefulness--I CANNOT work within the confines of iOS, entirely too many restrictions that get in the way of everyday use. Simple things like;

    Not allowing me to complete a task using the app of my choice.

    Not being able to download files from my browser (something I do almost daily)

    Efficient swipe keyboards

    Plus all the smart features on my S8.
    S8 ??? You need to get the real tool, Note 8.
    11-13-2017 09:36 AM
  4. Wildo6882's Avatar
    Updates is the hyper-used term to address iOS shortcomings. iOS "updates" are 90% patches and bug fixes and you get exactly the same from Samsung, MONTHLY patches and bug fixes.

    iOS "updates" to "new" versions to give you the illusion that you're getting something special--Samsung has moved it core apps to the Play Store and their own store so while Android might be a bit behind all you system apps are up to date, Apple has to update it's entire OS.
    This is the misconception that people have regarding updates on iOS vs. those on Android. Most Android OEMs have moved their core apps to the Play Store. Not to mention that Google updates their Play Services frequently as well, which can actually have some significant changes in it. If you're on iOS and they want to update their Calendar or Messages app, they do an entire OS update, because they have to. The updates between the two platforms are not synonymous with one another. Sure, Apple is usually pretty good with bug fixes and takes care of major bugs pretty regularly, the OS is not bug free. I have tons of annoying bugs on my 6s+ that have not been fixed on iOS 11 yet. One is notifications that won't disappear, and won't do so without a reboot. I also have Touch ID fail frequently and have to put in my passcode. Didn't have this issue on iOS 10. Another is even worse - if I try to quick reply to an iMessage, the box will vanish mid-sentence and I have to go in and open the app and start over sometimes, other times my message is still sitting there. VERY ANNOYING.

    I just kind of wanted to interject my thoughts as someone who loves Android and iOS, both. As neither are perfect, but there are some serious misconceptions regarding the two platforms out there.
    11-13-2017 12:04 PM
  5. angelpie1976's Avatar
    Was the X just not worth it? Curious, I'm looking at getting that, coming from an s8+.
    I had an X and was super disappointed. Even though the screen was bigger than my 7Plus I could not get past the actual phone being smaller. I switched to the Note 8 but am really have a hard time leaving imessage. Sad thing is I love this phone.
    11-13-2017 02:51 PM
  6. mach1man's Avatar
    That’s right. Because the second they do the flood of people switching will be great. I switch back and forth constantly. Just returned my X and went back to the 8 plus. Want to switch back to the Note 8. I have two weeks to make the decision as my wife is due for a new phone and I could give her my 8 plus and get the Note 8 for me. Decisions decisions.
    How did you like the switch from the X to the 8 Plus? I'm big on pictures and videos so the dual stabilization is pulling me to the X or the Note 8
    11-13-2017 03:52 PM
  7. jj2339's Avatar
    1-3 are just plain silly. iMessage only works with iOS, your SMS works with everything. I text people with both and nobody ever had a problem with anybody else's messages or emoji.

    If iMessage and emoji are priorities for you then you have no business using a Note or Galaxy S because they're tools not toys.
    So this is actually completely untrue and been discussed upthread. Yes, you can text between Android's and iPhones. But for group chats, especially when everyone ion the group chat has iphones, if you go from iPhone to Android you don't get those chats anymore. Happened to me when I went to note 7 last year, and I missed quite a few important discussions before I realized what was going on. That is the issue, everyone else has to close out that chat on every phone involved in that specific chat, or else you never get the updates. It's stupid, probably intentional and unethical on Apple's part, but that is a sticking point.

    Not sure the toy vs tool was specific to emoji usage, or the OS in general. I work with a lot of people who use both OS, I mean the apps are so similar these days, when I swap back and forth it's not that major. I find the biggest difference is around customization, but actual apps work very closely, perhaps dependant on industry.
    11-13-2017 04:51 PM
  8. secfol's Avatar
    Ok so I'm looking at jumping ship from Apple to Samsung. I have the iPhone X and I'm not impressed with it at all. I haven't been with an Android phone since the note 5, so coming back is gonna be a little hard. I have a few questions for those that have made the jump.

    1. How did you deal with switch back to sms instead of imessage, Most of my friends and family have iPhones.

    2. How well do the emoji's switch over when sending

    3. How are the updates from Samsung? Apple is always on the updates to fix or improve issues

    4. Can someone help a brother out lol
    11-13-2017 09:46 PM
  9. secfol's Avatar
    you can use some messaging apps like WhatsApp.. but you will loose some features from imsgs.. its sounds like imsgs vs bunch of features from android.. you cant keep both two worlds for the moment, maybe in the future.. so pick which one can serve you most..
    11-13-2017 09:50 PM
  10. Cherries01's Avatar
    I got suck in to the apple ecosystem and got out of it when the note 8 came out. I formerly had the iPhone 7 plus but was bored of it and this year conference didn't wow me, so I made the decision to jump to the note 8, which I don't regret. iPhone X seems like any other iPhone that I had beside the physical hardware changes. They didn't persuade me to upgrade to it.

    Despite most of the people uses either iPhone or Android, we typically commute via Facebook messenger, so for me leaving from iMessage wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. And which is nice that I have people who uses different platforms and we all rely on FB messenger for communication.

    iOS 11 doesn't wow me, I have it updated on my iPad and the control center is so ugly and I prefer iOS 10 control center on the iPad.
    11-13-2017 10:09 PM
  11. Cherries01's Avatar
    So this is actually completely untrue and been discussed upthread. Yes, you can text between Android's and iPhones. But for group chats, especially when everyone ion the group chat has iphones, if you go from iPhone to Android you don't get those chats anymore. Happened to me when I went to note 7 last year, and I missed quite a few important discussions before I realized what was going on. That is the issue, everyone else has to close out that chat on every phone involved in that specific chat, or else you never get the updates. It's stupid, probably intentional and unethical on Apple's part, but that is a sticking point.

    Not sure the toy vs tool was specific to emoji usage, or the OS in general. I work with a lot of people who use both OS, I mean the apps are so similar these days, when I swap back and forth it's not that major. I find the biggest difference is around customization, but actual apps work very closely, perhaps dependant on industry.
    I'm able to do group chat with iPhone, I set my note 8 group chat to sending MMS instead of SMS and it seems to be ok. I had issue when it was sent as SMS. But it's not flawless like iMessage because messages are sent via data instead the traditional SMS way.
    11-13-2017 10:11 PM
  12. jj2339's Avatar
    I'm able to do group chat with iPhone, I set my note 8 group chat to sending MMS instead of SMS and it seems to be ok. I had issue when it was sent as SMS. But it's not flawless like iMessage because messages are sent via data instead the traditional SMS way.
    Did you come from iOS and move to note? And you didn't lose any, nor did you have to have your friends close out prior group chats?
    11-13-2017 10:54 PM
  13. areyes163's Avatar
    iMessage works just like a text message on other phones. People use it as their default text application. So I use it to text with Android users all the time. So in that use case it's just like Facebook messenger or any other sms site. iPhone texts come through blue bubbles, Android texts come through green bubbles.

    The difference is that for apple to apple usage it doesn't go via SMS, and if you are in a group chat with iPhone users, and then you are no longer using an iPhone, those group messages won't come to you any longer unless you leave them all, and have all your friends close them out as well to kill the session.

    So when I go to an Android phone, those group texts may still keep going on, but I no longer find out about dinner plans or latest news.
    They work for me when I switch. And I switch all the time. What I do before I switch back to android is turn iMessage off a day or so before hand. Never had a issue. I get all my messages in my group threads just fine. If you know how to switch it’s not a problem.
    11-13-2017 11:32 PM
  14. Retinella's Avatar
    I'm not being a wiseass but what is the big deal with getting or not getting timely security updates with android? I've never heard of phones getting hacked or getting viruses because they weren't on the most recent security update.
    The potential is there. I stay in hotels all the time for work and when I'm on hotel WiFi, I don't want to get hacked from the latest vulnerability being exploited. Samsung takes forever to come out with security patches.
    11-14-2017 12:38 AM
  15. Cherries01's Avatar
    Did you come from iOS and move to note? And you didn't lose any, nor did you have to have your friends close out prior group chats?
    I had the iPhone 7 Plus and prior models before the note 8. My closest friends uses different os platforms, so we rely on fb messenger to group chat. There’s probably here and there where I’ll group chat in the stock messenging app, and it seems to run ok when sending mms to iPhone users.

    To answer your question, I think it’s common that the existing group chat need to be close, and open a new one for it to work properly...
    11-14-2017 01:14 AM
  16. o4liberty's Avatar
    Ok so I'm looking at jumping ship from Apple to Samsung. I have the iPhone X and I'm not impressed with it at all. I haven't been with an Android phone since the note 5, so coming back is gonna be a little hard. I have a few questions for those that have made the jump.

    1. How did you deal with switch back to sms instead of imessage, Most of my friends and family have iPhones.

    2. How well do the emoji's switch over when sending

    3. How are the updates from Samsung? Apple is always on the updates to fix or improve issues

    4. Can someone help a brother out lol
    I tried the X and the note 8 blows it away in every sense. I wouldn't hesitate to make the switch the only thing you are loosing are Imessage and FaceTime.
    11-14-2017 07:16 AM
  17. Gayle Lynn's Avatar
    Curious if anyone ever tried Slack for group chat and collaboration - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Slack
    11-14-2017 07:35 AM
  18. Retinella's Avatar
    I tried the X and the note 8 blows it away in every sense. I wouldn't hesitate to make the switch the only thing you are loosing are Imessage and FaceTime.
    And the ability to record 4K video at 60fps and slo mo at 1080 at 260fps.
    11-14-2017 10:19 AM
  19. andrew_ackley's Avatar
    Ok so I'm looking at jumping ship from Apple to Samsung. I have the iPhone X and I'm not impressed with it at all. I haven't been with an Android phone since the note 5, so coming back is gonna be a little hard. I have a few questions for those that have made the jump.

    1. How did you deal with switch back to sms instead of imessage, Most of my friends and family have iPhones.

    2. How well do the emoji's switch over when sending

    3. How are the updates from Samsung? Apple is always on the updates to fix or improve issues

    4. Can someone help a brother out lol
    Sounds like you should just get an iPhone 8 plus. I like my iPhone 10 but the note 8 is great. The note 8 is so big lol.
    11-14-2017 12:08 PM
  20. Cherries01's Avatar
    ...I actually considered going back to the iPhone and I iMessage and facetime was part of the reason because my wife has an iPhone but we chat exclusively in what's app so I realised there is nothing the apple only features do that can't be done in there. I'm really really happy with my note 8
    I totally agree with you, When I switched back to the Note series from iPhone, I thought I would suffer not having imessage & facetime, but thanks to third-party apps which makes it easier to make the transition away from the apple ecosystem easier. We now mainly rely on FB messenger for our messaging & video/group video calls, so it makes it easier for us to communicate despite the different OS platform each individual uses.

    I do enjoy both Note series & iPhone, but I feel like iPhone is on a plateau where there's nothing wow about the software experience and that my decision to get the Note 8. I get lots of compliments regarding my screen & camera/picture quality .
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    11-14-2017 01:25 PM
  21. Bethany Faden's Avatar
    Ok so I'm looking at jumping ship from Apple to Samsung. I have the iPhone X and I'm not impressed with it at all. I haven't been with an Android phone since the note 5, so coming back is gonna be a little hard. I have a few questions for those that have made the jump.

    1. How did you deal with switch back to sms instead of imessage, Most of my friends and family have iPhones.

    2. How well do the emoji's switch over when sending

    3. How are the updates from Samsung? Apple is always on the updates to fix or improve issues

    4. Can someone help a brother out lol
    I have been a lifetime iPhone user and recently switched to the Note 8. First thing I'll say is I haven't regretted it!

    As far as texting goes, losing iMessage ALMOST made me go back. However, FB Messenger does everything iMessage does and then some. I had my husband and family download the messenger app (which all of them had anyways) and they were good to go. When it comes to new people I meet I just tell them I use FB Messenger and I haven't had one person really care. It was easier than I thought.

    I've never had any issues with emojis. I try and stick to the standard ones because I know those probably will go through fine. If it's something complicated I use GIFs on FB Messenger.

    Haven't been on Samsung long enough to comment about updates...however an update is scheduled in a few months and I never keep my phones longer than 2 years anyways. So it's never been a huge deal for me. Plus, with Android if there's a feature on a new update I want there's usually an app in the Play store that I can download. Also, security updates come along frequently as well.

    Hope this helps!
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    11-14-2017 01:57 PM
  22. strikeIII's Avatar
    I have both the iPhone X and the Note 8 and both are great devices and suit certain people. I switched to the iPhone X as my primary device since it's release and yesterday switched back to my Note 8. I only switched to the X for a little over a week just so I can get the feel for what's new with iOS 11. I've had the iPhone 7 Plus and 8 Plus but never really used it enough to get the feel of what was new with iOS 11. But there wasn't much new, lol. While the iPhone X is a great design and so much better than the iPHone 8 Plus it's still iOS and just minor updates that are exclusive to the iPhone X. The Note 8 or Android will always be my primary because it just suits my needs better. Get what suits you. Also, even though the iPhone X screen is bigger than the 8 Plus or 7 Plus the usable space is poorly implemented. iPhonedo explains it perfectly with his side by side comparisons to the latest iPhones.
    11-14-2017 02:45 PM
  23. Cherries01's Avatar
    I've had the iPhone 7 Plus and 8 Plus but never really used it enough to get the feel of what was new with iOS 11. But there wasn't much new, lol. While the iPhone X is a great design and so much better than the iPHone 8 Plus it's still iOS and just minor updates that are exclusive to the iPhone X.
    That's how I feel, I didn't really get to experience iOS 11 on the iPhone, but I did on the iPad... which I see nothing different than iOS 10. Maybe i'm not playing around with it enough... but for sure I have an issue with the ugly control center. I wished they could've kept it simple like iOS10.

    I made my decision after I saw the iOS 11 conference, because there was nothing new or beneficial for me... it seems like more of gimmicky features for kids (emoji, blah blah blah) than productive features. Still no multi-window (which I highly appreciated on the Note 8), and other features that are still behind from Android.

    Also, I forgot to mention that when i was using the iPhone 7 plus (after the Note 7 debacle), I used FB messenger more than iMessage, so the transition from iPhone to Note 8 was easy, which I appreciated.
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    11-14-2017 04:46 PM
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    11-15-2017 01:37 AM
  25. brat1475's Avatar
    I use both. I have a recently purchased Note 5 and an iPhone 7 Plus. From my experience, the apps work slightly better on iOS, and I have better battery life on my iPhone 7 Plus. I can't speak to the Note 8, but man, right now I've been happy back in Samsung land. My Android Wear watch works better, Samsung Pay has worked out far better than Apple Pay thanks to MST, and Samsung has really polished the experience over all. My only real hiccup was iMessage, in the past I would just shut it off on my iPhone a few hours before switching, no problems. This time, I had shut it off a day before switching, and still had issues not getting text messages from iPhone using family members. I had to deregister my number on the Apple website twice and have each family member send me a text before it finally worked out. I suppose it depends on your priorities, but I think switching to Samsung is not bad at all. Biggest pluses: the S-Pen, Samsung Pay, and the ability to plug your phone in to copy music and files without using iTunes. Good luck, I hope the switch works out.
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    11-15-2017 07:46 AM
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