10-21-2018 08:59 AM
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  1. recDNA's Avatar
    Na -- with tech if you wait for the next big thing you will literally be waiting every single time.
    IME every smartphone I've tried to use more than 2 years gets slower than tolerable. Factory reset makes no dif. I don't believe it is possible to future proof a cell phone to still be tolerable for more than 3 years. Whether it's planned obsolescence or app software updates for more modern hardware my bottom line is don't expect to use a phone much more than 2 years if you do much more than talk text email

    Virtually everyone crazy enough to. spend hours talking about cell phones HERE will WANT 5G the second it. is available. We will be chomping at the bit! LOL
    10-02-2018 01:44 PM
  2. Almeuit's Avatar
    IME every smartphone I've tried to use more than 2 years gets slower than tolerable. Factory reset makes no dif. I don't believe it is possible to future proof a cell phone to still be tolerable for more than 3 years. Whether it's planned obsolescence or app software updates for more modern hardware my bottom line is don't expect to use a phone much more than 2 years if you do much more than talk text email
    Keyword: tolerable. Your tolerance may be lower then mine and vice versa.. it doesn't mean it isn't usable. I have a friend using a cracked screen Note 4. Bought batteries and still uses it to this day for watching Twitch, texting, calling, etc. -- he refuses to upgrade since it powers up. Could I do that? Absolutely not... but he can.
    10-02-2018 01:46 PM
  3. recDNA's Avatar
    Keyword: tolerable. Your tolerance may be lower then mine and vice versa.. it doesn't mean it isn't usable. I have a friend using a cracked screen Note 4. Bought batteries and still uses it to this day for watching Twitch, texting, calling, etc. -- he refuses to upgrade since it powers up. Could I do that? Absolutely not... but he can.
    I bet he doesn't spend hours here chatting about phones.
    10-02-2018 01:47 PM
  4. Almeuit's Avatar
    I bet he doesn't spend hours here chatting about phones.
    Exactly but you are arguing tolerance versus usability. They aren't the same. The phone still works but you simply can't stand it after seeing that new Note on the shelf and review video lol.

    You can't argue a phone not being usable simply because your preference is not to handle the slow downs on an aging device. Maybe for YOU it isn't but to say it doesn't work is just .. not true.
    10-02-2018 01:49 PM
  5. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Virtually everyone crazy enough to. spend hours talking about cell phones HERE will WANT 5G the second it. is available. We will be chomping at the bit! LOL
    Pffft. 5G is yesterday's news. I won't be satisfied unless the next phones out have 6G.
    10-02-2018 01:49 PM
  6. Almeuit's Avatar
    Pffft. 5G is yesterday's news. I won't be satisfied unless the next phones out have 6G.
    5G will be cool but waiting for it now is a tad soon. It was like LTE. We all knew it was coming but it took years of work to get it done.
    10-02-2018 01:51 PM
  7. brau0303's Avatar
    Obviously the OEM's want you to upgrade every year, That said the Note 9 seems very well made to me (I expect this from a Note as I have with every note generation) I think If you take good care of your Note 9 it should have the staying power you had with the Note 4. (As to the concerns about 5G, it's a new standard that will roll out over the next year +, I really doubt that current 4g devices and similar with suddenly stop working or be any less usable given the revenue stream they represent to the carriers, not everyone upgrades every year or jumps on the new tech)

    Cheers,

    BR
    10-02-2018 01:53 PM
  8. recDNA's Avatar
    Exactly but you are arguing tolerance versus usability. They aren't the same. The phone still works but you simply can't stand it after seeing that new Note on the shelf and review video lol.

    You can't argue a phone not being usable simply because your preference is not to handle the slow downs on an aging device. Maybe for YOU it isn't but to say it doesn't work is just .. not true.
    You miss my point. It is that those of us HERE on this forum will not tolerate it. Tolerable? A prepaid flip phone from a drugstore is tolerable to millions but we're talking flagships in this thread.
    10-02-2018 02:01 PM
  9. Almeuit's Avatar
    You miss my point. It is that those of us HERE on this forum will not tolerate it. Tolerable? A prepaid flip phone from a drugstore is tolerable to millions but we're talking flagships in this thread.
    Most likely not but it was talked about that the OP upgraded from a Note 4. So the fact they held onto the Note 4 would suggest they could handle a phone over two years old.

    You are literally going off the deep end on "ONLY US HERE!!!!" and not taking anything into account from what the OP actually said and going off that. Not sure why...
    10-02-2018 02:04 PM
  10. Mike Dee's Avatar
    IME every smartphone I've tried to use more than 2 years gets slower than tolerable. Factory reset makes no dif. I don't believe it is possible to future proof a cell phone to still be tolerable for more than 3 years. Whether it's planned obsolescence or app software updates for more modern hardware my bottom line is don't expect to use a phone much more than 2 years if you do much more than talk text email

    Virtually everyone crazy enough to. spend hours talking about cell phones HERE will WANT 5G the second it. is available. We will be chomping at the bit! LOL
    My G5 & V20 still cranks like the day I took them out of the box.
    10-02-2018 02:11 PM
  11. note1note9's Avatar
    IME every smartphone I've tried to use more than 2 years gets slower than tolerable. Factory reset makes no dif. I don't believe it is possible to future proof a cell phone to still be tolerable for more than 3 years. Whether it's planned obsolescence or app software updates for more modern hardware my bottom line is don't expect to use a phone much more than 2 years if you do much more than talk text email

    Virtually everyone crazy enough to. spend hours talking about cell phones HERE will WANT 5G the second it. is available. We will be chomping at the bit! LOL
    What smartphones have you owned? I have an iPhone 6 that is still running fine and an iPhone 7 that is on iOS 12 now and still fine as well.
    10-02-2018 02:16 PM
  12. recDNA's Avatar
    My G5 & V20 still cranks like the day I took them out of the box.
    My V20 is just approaching 2 years old now.I'm looking at Note 9 because I'm getting a lot of screen ghosting or whatever you call it when previous screen is a little visible on the next screen. It is annoying. The only reasons I still have V20 are flat screen, 16/9 ratio, ir blaster and removable battery. None of those will be available again on a flagship and I will dearly miss them. That said even with Android 8 and a reset my phone is way slower than when new. When I bought it V20 was faster than my returned Note 7

    My Note 3 is S L O O W W W W
    10-02-2018 02:17 PM
  13. bigsmoke79's Avatar
    I can't stay with the same device for over an year. I'd get bored with it. How do people with iphones not get bored using it for years?
    I'm the same! I will keep the Note 9 till the Note 10 and either sell and pay the difference or try and get a great upgrade/trade in deal
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    10-02-2018 03:27 PM
  14. Mike Dee's Avatar
    My V20 is just approaching 2 years old now.I'm looking at Note 9 because I'm getting a lot of screen ghosting or whatever you call it when previous screen is a little visible on the next screen. It is annoying. The only reasons I still have V20 are flat screen, 16/9 ratio, ir blaster and removable battery. None of those will be available again on a flagship and I will dearly miss them. That said even with Android 8 and a reset my phone is way slower than when new. When I bought it V20 was faster than my returned Note 7

    My Note 3 is S L O O W W W W
    I guess you mean screen retention. Yeah I had that awhile back but I sent it back under warranty. Not really sure it was permanent but it would take awhile to return to normal. If your V20 lags it could be some of your apps.
    10-02-2018 04:25 PM
  15. recDNA's Avatar
    I guess you mean screen retention. Yeah I had that awhile back but I sent it back under warranty. Not really sure it was permanent but it would take awhile to return to normal. If your V20 lags it could be some of your apps.
    No question it is apps but I had the same apps. I almost never add new apps. Updates often are the root of the problem. I have auto updates disabled in Playstore but now many apps tell you to update and stop working if you don't update. I notice now that I get freezes when I type too fast too. Sometimes I have to restart. Probably due to Android 8 update.
    10-02-2018 04:30 PM
  16. recDNA's Avatar
    I guess you mean screen retention. Yeah I had that awhile back but I sent it back under warranty. Not really sure it was permanent but it would take awhile to return to normal. If your V20 lags it could be some of your apps.
    My V20 is still under warranty but if I went in complaining of screen retention I'm afraid they'd give me a V30 which has none of the V20 features I love.
    10-02-2018 04:32 PM
  17. Mike Dee's Avatar
    My V20 is still under warranty but if I went in complaining of screen retention I'm afraid they'd give me a V30 which has none of the V20 features I love.
    They most likely replace the display. I got my unit back.
    10-02-2018 04:40 PM
  18. EuroDriver's Avatar
    My V20 is still under warranty but if I went in complaining of screen retention I'm afraid they'd give me a V30 which has none of the V20 features I love.
    Highly doubtful. Much more cost effective for them to send you a refurbished V20. Worst case scenario, if they send you a V30, return it & keep your V20, or sell the V30 and buy a used V20. You'll likely fare better that way
    10-02-2018 04:41 PM
  19. recDNA's Avatar
    They most likely replace the display. I got my unit back.
    Then I'd do what use my old Note 3 while they fix it?
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    10-02-2018 04:41 PM
  20. andrew_ackley's Avatar
    4G speed is typically between 4-12mb/sec. 5G is supposed to be 30mb/s and up to 100mb/sec - comparable to a mid-high end home connection, making connected devices (such as smart cars) controllable through a phone - thus the hype
    4g runs 30mbps consistently where I live. That's good enough for a few years. We will probably never need to Stream 4k video ever bc phone screens won't be much of a difference compared to 2k unless the devices are 7+inches or more.
    10-02-2018 04:54 PM
  21. Mooncatt's Avatar
    4g runs 30mbps consistently where I live. That's good enough for a few years. We will probably never need to Stream 4k video ever bc phone screens won't be much of a difference compared to 2k unless the devices are 7+inches or more.
    Heck, 1080p is still more than enough on a phone, and 720p very adequate (which I can stream on YouTube with little problem on my 3.3Mb/s home cable connection). So far, all I see 5G providing is the ability to burn through data limits quicker. I'm still at a loss to understand the cultish hype over it.
    10-02-2018 05:17 PM
  22. EuroDriver's Avatar
    5G will be more relevant when controlling connected vehicles, remote machinery, appliances, etc over a smartphone becomes more mainstream. Until then, mostly hype.

    1080 or 4K resolution on such small screens - now that one still has me scratching my head...
    10-02-2018 05:21 PM
  23. stackberry369's Avatar
    Pffft. 5G is yesterday's news. I won't be satisfied unless the next phones out have 6G.
    100 G
    10-02-2018 05:40 PM
  24. EuroDriver's Avatar
    100 G
    Telepathic data transfer, lol!
    10-02-2018 05:44 PM
  25. Almeuit's Avatar
    Heck, 1080p is still more than enough on a phone, and 720p very adequate (which I can stream on YouTube with little problem on my 3.3Mb/s home cable connection). So far, all I see 5G providing is the ability to burn through data limits quicker. I'm still at a loss to understand the cultish hype over it.
    It is more so for the latency. People hype speed because that is all most consumers who don't understand networking see because that is what is put out there in the public w/ the T-Mobile CEO and others. Speed is definitely nice -- I love my Gigabit connection at home but 5G is more so about latency being extremely low which would make connected cars and such a reality. While 50 ms is good on LTE you don't want 50ms delays or higher when cars are trying to communicate where they are and such.

    Stuff like that.
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    10-02-2018 05:52 PM
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