07-19-2011 05:19 PM
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  1. RecalcitrantRon's Avatar
    Samsung probably put its foot down on differentiation of the hardware when it comes to their flagship device and the US Carriers are balking. Like most of you, this is the phone I want to replace my Pre. Superslim, lightweight skin, excellent battery life, it has everything I want or need and nothing I do not (ie crappy 3D).
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    07-08-2011 09:53 PM
  2. Wicell's Avatar
    I guess I'm confused as to why carrier negotiations for the S2 would be any different than any of the other Samsung phones. What needs to be negotiated with VZW with the S2 vs. say the Charge? Does it all boil down to just carrier specific branding/differentiation from other carriers because it's launching across multiple carriers?
    This phone has launched in Europe and what not, it's a huge seller, all the US phone companies want it, but they all want carrier specific changes made to it, just like what they did with the Galaxy S series where each provider had a certain twist on the device and verizon having.. bing... That is my guess, I'm guessing negotiations are dragging because Samsung doesn't want to change an already amazing device.
    07-08-2011 11:40 PM
  3. Croak's Avatar
    Canada will see an AT&T compatible version in less than a week, the straight up 9100. People will be selling them for less than $600 on Craigslist less than a week after that. Plenty of history to back this up.

    The Canadian "grey market" vendors are already price slashing the I9100, it was $800 last week, they're all in a dive to be below $700 this week, and they'll probably go lower than that in the next few days, trying to blow out inventory before the cheaper Bell units kill the market.

    No direct help for those of you on the subsidy tit, or those of you on a CDMA carrier, I know. For the AT&T folks, the option of turning your upgrade into an iPhone and selling that isn't a horrible one.

    And as the guy above said, Samsung probably doesn't want to repeat the "four devices, four carriers" fiasco that was the Galaxy S last year in the US. A lot of the customer satisfaction hits Samsung has taken is due to having to support four models, four carriers, four different upgrade certification process, and four different production lines to do quality control on the hardware. Apple doesn't have to put up with that kind of ****, RIM didn't have to put up with that kind of ****, Samsung is probably (correctly) thinking they don't have to put up with that kind of **** either.
    07-08-2011 11:45 PM
  4. Droid800's Avatar
    I am on VZW and bought a DINC with a 1 yr contract last May. I have been eligible for an upgrade since March and want a phone with a bigger screen, dual-core and LTE. I also want something that can have data and voice simultaneously. I am running CM7 on my DINC which is the only thing keeping me sane. I even tried to switch to ATT on an Infuse as it is pretty close to the GSII but my crappy credit screwed that up. VZW needs to step up their handset game!

    I am convinced that all this is artificial scarcity with VZW to give certain phones an exclusive window. They gave the Thunderbolt a window as the only LTE phone. Now I fear the Bionic will have an exclusive window as the only Dual-Core LTE phone thus probably giving us a 3G only GSII if we get it at all. I don't want a Bionic if it is going to be locked and force me to run their crappy Blur. If it is unlocked and the screen doesn't suck and it isn't too heavy then I am in. That's a lot of if's...
    If you want an LTE GSII, you'll be waiting until after the holidays, probably until around this time next year.
    07-08-2011 11:57 PM
  5. colbysbb's Avatar
    It's got to be LTE for it to compete. No one is going to upgrade their device to out dated technology. If samsung wants this phone to hit in the US like it did overseas, it will have to include "4G." Plain and simple.
    07-09-2011 12:28 AM
  6. Jordan jones's Avatar
    It's got to be LTE for it to compete. No one is going to upgrade their device to out dated technology. If samsung wants this phone to hit in the US like it did overseas, it will have to include "4G." Plain and simple.
    4g lte is still a very virgin technology. Right now it is horrible power consumption which is why the current lte phones have such ****y battery life. I think it will be a while before samsung allows it in their flagship phones.
    07-09-2011 01:11 AM
  7. Droid800's Avatar
    It's got to be LTE for it to compete. No one is going to upgrade their device to out dated technology. If samsung wants this phone to hit in the US like it did overseas, it will have to include "4G." Plain and simple.
    It won't. It isn't possible without destroying the form factor.
    07-09-2011 01:26 AM
  8. gitit20's Avatar
    This is in no way true The 4g Chips are no larger then there 3g counter parts LTE WiMax and HSDPA+ are all about the same size perfect example of this is the Samsung Vibrant 4G its the same size and shape as the Vibrant 3g but one has a newer 4g radio even the motherboard are the same size and look almost the same I had a customer who upgraded to the newer v4g but wanted the same color as his old one i simply took the mother board out of the 4g housing and placed it in the 3g housing no problems what so ever there for has no effect on form factor...

    So i am wondering how you came to your conclusion?

    It won't. It isn't possible without destroying the form factor.
    07-09-2011 05:08 AM
  9. anicholas7's Avatar
    What these manufacturers should start doing is selling directly to the general public. If the American carriers wont compromise with Samsung then we should have the opportunity to buy directly from Samsung. Then we could use our upgrade from Verizon or who ever you use to get a new phone then sell it to subsidize the full cost we would pay for the GSII. I would actually prefer this then to have Verizon screw it all up with their bloatware.
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    07-09-2011 06:57 AM
  10. fldude99's Avatar
    You'll only be getting 2g speeds. Not worth buying unlocked version. Just wait for the next big thing. I just went with the htc sensation and couldn't b happier. Htc is going to show love to their products for a period of time while Samsung will give u an update in a year then forget about u. I loved my vibrant but only because of team whiskey. By the time the galaxy s2 comes out, we'll be talking about quad cores awesomeness.
    How do you figure that? The intl version is compatible with ATT 3G bands including HSPDA
    07-09-2011 08:17 AM
  11. droidbeat's Avatar
    I'm waiting for the SGSII to hit before switching to VZW. VZW needs to be reasonable with Samsung on providing a clean standard handset. No SGSII on VZW, no VZW. Waiting...
    07-09-2011 08:23 AM
  12. dbuss's Avatar
    Samsung US sales declined because they don't know customer support after the sale. We all know how they were about OS updates. How long has the Evo had 2.3 and epic still waiting and remember the 2.2 update what a mess. I am proud owner of htc evo3d and don't intend to buy a samsung phone again.
    Help me out here, should I wait for a Sprint GSII, or just get the EVO 3D? I like the specs of the GSII, but if there is garbage support, or lack up software upgrades? I might wait for the upcoming Nexus Prime.
    07-09-2011 09:06 AM
  13. Cubfan's Avatar
    There will be (so called) 4G on Sprint and AT&T. Highly doubt we'll see an LTE version on Verizon.
    07-09-2011 09:24 AM
  14. Schwack's Avatar
    [QUOTE=Croak;1080596]Canada will see an AT&T compatible version in less than a week, the straight up 9100. People will be selling them for less than $600 on Craigslist less than a week after that. Plenty of history to back this up.

    Croak, which Canadian company matches att bands? I checked Rogers and Telus and their 3g is 1900. Isn't att 2100?

    The reason I'm asking is that I'm in the States with att and have been waiting (like the rest of the country) for this phone. I've been tempted to get the Euro version on Amazon but don't want to spend over $600 for the phone. So I thought I'd wait for US release AND getting the phone with NFC capabilities.
    07-09-2011 09:28 AM
  15. Antiochasylum's Avatar
    [QUOTE=Schwack;1081263]
    Canada will see an AT&T compatible version in less than a week, the straight up 9100. People will be selling them for less than $600 on Craigslist less than a week after that. Plenty of history to back this up.

    Croak, which Canadian company matches att bands? I checked Rogers and Telus and their 3g is 1900. Isn't att 2100?

    The reason I'm asking is that I'm in the States with att and have been waiting (like the rest of the country) for this phone. I've been tempted to get the Euro version on Amazon but don't want to spend over $600 for the phone. So I thought I'd wait for US release AND getting the phone with NFC capabilities.
    As a SGSII owner, I must say the phone is out of this world. Quit complaining about it coming to the US, it will eventually, just wait. Either that switch to ATT, and buy it from newegg or Amazon. Simple.

    No one knows when it will come or in what form factor, however the size and weight are ******ed. Everyone says "its so light" And as far as NFC, really? I had the nexus S and never once used it anywhere, seemed like a PITA honestly.
    07-09-2011 09:38 AM
  16. jdm4u's Avatar
    anyone know if the ones being released in Canada will be released on cell providers that use the same frequencies as T-Mo?
    07-09-2011 09:40 AM
  17. Schwack's Avatar
    [QUOTE=Antiochasylum;1081284]
    As a SGSII owner, I must say the phone is out of this world. Quit complaining about it coming to the US, it will eventually, just wait. Either that switch to ATT, and buy it from newegg or Amazon. Simple.

    No one knows when it will come or in what form factor, however the size and weight are ******ed. Everyone says "its so light" And as far as NFC, really? I had the nexus S and never once used it anywhere, seemed like a PITA honestly.
    Anti,

    I'm not complaining....was just curious on which Canadian carriers are compatible with att with 3g speeds. For if the previous post is correct, I will wait for Canada to get it to save some $$$. Otherwise, I will pull the trigger on Amazon.

    BTW -- how can the NFC be a PITA? Didn't it just get announced a few months ago? It's still in its infancy....
    07-09-2011 10:09 AM
  18. dkucera's Avatar
    Reading this thread and just had to reply with my observations:

    Samsung would really prefer to build just one model and have all customers use it (gms/cdma aside).

    In the US people are obsessed with getting the $600 phone for $200 (sub) and then being locked into a 2 year contract that is at a minimum of $2000. I you want more data then the costs are even higher, and we do want more data because this is a smartphone that people will occasionaly use a phone to call someone. How many of you actually come close to using your monthly minutes if you are not on a family plan?

    About the carriers...They are like a male dog, they just want to put their scent, smell and stink on an otherwise excellent product. I don't even want to get started on bloat/crap ware...

    I currently have three active phones

    Samsung Galaxy S rooted and running Mosaic V
    HTC Inspire 4G rooted and running NINJA 706
    Blackberry 9800 with the latest leak 600

    If you are going to wait and complain about the manufactures and espically the carriers upgrade the software then just remember that when releaving yourself make sure the wind is at your back...

    Just my two dracmas

    Don




    Edit: I too want an S2 and am waiting for Samsung to sell direct with a US warrnty , if not then I will most likely pay the carrier tax....
    As for who builds the better phone, depends on which one you bought.

    d
    07-09-2011 03:13 PM
  19. Droid800's Avatar
    This is in no way true The 4g Chips are no larger then there 3g counter parts LTE WiMax and HSDPA+ are all about the same size perfect example of this is the Samsung Vibrant 4G its the same size and shape as the Vibrant 3g but one has a newer 4g radio even the motherboard are the same size and look almost the same I had a customer who upgraded to the newer v4g but wanted the same color as his old one i simply took the mother board out of the 4g housing and placed it in the 3g housing no problems what so ever there for has no effect on form factor...

    So i am wondering how you came to your conclusion?
    You're comparing LTE to HSPA+? Really? Do you even understand what you're talking about?

    LTE phones have a completely separate 4G radio that takes up quite a bit of space. Ever wondered why the first-gen LTE phones are thick, heavy 4.3" beasts? Its because of how much extra space they need for the LTE hardware.

    A better comparison than the one you gave would be the Fascinate to the Charge: In order to fit the LTE radio in they had to up the device size substantially, add a 4.3" screen, and increase the thickness substantially. Here are the dimensions of the two. They're very telling:

    Fascinate: 4.18 x 2.5 x 0.39
    Charge: 5.11" x 2.66" x 0.46"

    Face it guys; for there to be an LTE Galaxy SII they would have to completely revamp the design of the handset.
    07-09-2011 05:32 PM
  20. thascourge's Avatar
    Help me out here, should I wait for a Sprint GSII, or just get the EVO 3D? I like the specs of the GSII, but if there is garbage support, or lack up software upgrades? I might wait for the upcoming Nexus Prime.
    I have the Evo 3D and love it - I was considering waiting around on the GS2, but without even an announcement for any carrier (much less Sprint, which hopefully will not force them to add a qwerty keyboard) I figure there is no way it will be released before mid-September.

    The seeming lack of urgency on Samsung's part to get it to the US doesn't bode well for US support post-launch either.

    If I were you, I'd go read the Evo 3D forums, get some opinions of the pros and cons about it, and make a decision that way. I personally love it even though I barely use the 3D. (3D is a gimmick, but it's the coolest gimmick I've ever experienced on a phone)
    07-09-2011 06:04 PM
  21. cwilson617's Avatar
    This is why when my upgrade cycle comes around I consider my mobile experience as if it were a triangle. One side hardware, one side service provider, and the last would be software, or more specifically, willingness of both service provider and hardware manufacturer to provide timely updates. Software is fully 50% of our experience on mobiles. Samsung just doesn't respond. Unless it's a Nexus, you're S-O-L. My choices were HTC's Evo 3D coupled with Sprint Service. I know there are many heavy incineration pointing in my direction... Sprint's network leaves much to be desired, and to many, that's putting it mildly. In closing, form your own triangle with yourself in the middle, consider all sides carefully. Choose what combination will gave you the most bang, and longevity for your $. After all, they're hooking us for 2 years on contract. The Epic had potential to much more than it how it ended up. After watching how Samsung handled it (and I don't blame Sprint, cause they aren't responsible) I chose HTC. They respond. Your mileage may vary.
    07-09-2011 07:02 PM
  22. Dmunjal's Avatar
    Is it Samsung or the carriers? I've just seen a 2.3.4 release for the SGS2 come out from Samsung. If it was from AT&T, it would probably take a lot longer.
    07-09-2011 07:33 PM
  23. gitit20's Avatar
    I repair phones for a living and have worked on a few LTE phones such as the thunderbolt it has one motherboard and does not have a separate radio board... see this video for proof of this..

    Now on to the Evo 4g also one motherboard about the same size its WiMax 4g

    and for the 3rd an HTC droid incredible as you can see there is not a big difference in motherboard size on this one all the basic components are about the same size the phone is over all smaller then the 4g models but if you look closely you can see that there is not much of a size difference

    You can clearly see there is not really much size difference LTE radios do not require any more room and as far as your compering the 2 in size the LTE radio had nothing to do with it. the fascinate has a double sided PCB with ram cpu and Gpu on one side the radio wifi bt and so on on the other side the droid charge has all this on one side so its going to look bigger but that was Samsung answer to the phones like the droid x and so on its just has a BIG screen its not big because of the LTE radio.

    Look at THIS PIC here http://images.anandtech.com/doci/4465/ChargePCB2.PNG the VIA telecom chip is no bigger then the CPU right above it.


    You're comparing LTE to HSPA+? Really? Do you even understand what you're talking about?

    LTE phones have a completely separate 4G radio that takes up quite a bit of space. Ever wondered why the first-gen LTE phones are thick, heavy 4.3" beasts? Its because of how much extra space they need for the LTE hardware.

    A better comparison than the one you gave would be the Fascinate to the Charge: In order to fit the LTE radio in they had to up the device size substantially, add a 4.3" screen, and increase the thickness substantially. Here are the dimensions of the two. They're very telling:

    Fascinate: 4.18” x 2.5” x 0.39”
    Charge: 5.11" x 2.66" x 0.46"

    Face it guys; for there to be an LTE Galaxy SII they would have to completely revamp the design of the handset.
    07-09-2011 10:09 PM
  24. PhoneJunkie's Avatar
    I am on xda developers as well, you are seriously stretching the truth if you are comparing the build quality issues samsung has to htc's. Also you speak of verizon and sprint preferring to deal with HTC and Moto as a fact. Where is the proof to your claim? As I mentioned, I am aware that the radio in the fascinate is not the best but it was never weak and I still get the same download speeds as htc phones, the only phone that gets consistently better reception and gets better download speeds are motos. If the radio is the problem than how come the gsm counter parts ( t mobil and at&t )also are not announced? Also most of verizon's updates causes more problems than the fixed. The developers do much better running the leaked versions that samsung leaks rather than wait forever for official updates from verizon ( which ironically still has the same issues but we have BING!!! hooray !!! ) A stock fascinate is pretty pathetic, it makes me sad to see it stock all bloated, binged and touchwized up.

    edit: Hows that bootloader doing btw that the ceo promises to unlock for you guys? Sorry for rubbing it in. As you can see I've had it up to my head from all the htc and moto fan boys making fun of samsung phones that I decided to play their games..... No samsung is not paying me either, they should though.
    Stretching the truth? There are many issues I could have added. Listen I'm not bashing Samsung, I want the Galaxy SII. But all these manufacturers have the same issues when releasing new phones. Look at the disaster the Nexus S 4G is for Sprint. To say one has superior hardware over another just isn't the case. Samsung, Motorola and HTC all make great Android phones, its all personal preference when choosing one.

    Since you don't believe me about Sprint and Verizon, here's an article that just came out. There's another one but i can't remember what site it was on. I'll post it for you if I can find it.

    Where Are All The Samsung Galaxy S2s For The US?
    07-09-2011 10:11 PM
  25. YourMobileGuru's Avatar
    I consider myself a smart consumer, I don't root and I don't run ROMs, but I had a fascinate for a few days and I would have been better with two tin cans and a waxed string. The phone reception was terrible, it dropped calls constantly. Took it back, got a Moto and never had that problem again.

    I live in a small town with a strong signal, but on the outskirts of town (in the desert) it drops and that is where your so-called great hardware failed. And, I'm not the only one. I have talked with others who returned samdung products for the same reason. Some went with Moto, some went with HTC all are happy now.

    So, please, don't try and tell me SamDung products have the best hardware. I have heard that before, and strange enough, it has never been shown to be true.
    The only thing that Samsung has going for them is their screens and unlocked boot-loaders. I had a fascinate and had similar experiences with you (terrible radio) and found that while the phone zipped along when new it lagged something fierce after you installed more than about 60-70 apps (other than a couple low end phones I have never had that experience with Android. And don't get me started on the Froyo debacle....
    07-10-2011 01:40 AM
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