07-19-2011 05:19 PM
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  1. grayfox99's Avatar
    What we all knew has finally been confirmed.

    A Samsung executive said, We expect the domestic sales proportion to dwindle over time while global sales will rise, while later adding, Negotiations with American telecom companies have dragged on.

    This kind of thing just gets really tiring.

    Galaxy s2 delay
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    07-07-2011 04:51 PM
  2. aTeam's Avatar
    Arghhh I've been sitting on an upgrade since March and I've been researching android phones since November. I guess I'll have to wait... impatiently.
    07-07-2011 05:40 PM
  3. chuckz28's Avatar
    Ugh, this is so frustrating. Beyond ridiculous at this point. I have 3 lines waiting to upgrade and this is the only phone I want. I want it so bad I can taste it and we have nothing but bad news.
    07-07-2011 07:13 PM
  4. Dmunjal's Avatar
    Why not buy the SGS2 from Newegg for $679 and get a white iPhone 4 upgrade from AT&T and sell it on Craigslist for $600? You'll be out an extra $100 but it will be worth it since you'll have an unlocked phone that is not tied to AT&T's upgrade schedule.
    07-08-2011 01:20 AM
  5. DolfanCole's Avatar
    Why not buy the SGS2 from Newegg for $679 and get a white iPhone 4 upgrade from AT&T and sell it on Craigslist for $600? You'll be out an extra $100 but it will be worth it since you'll have an unlocked phone that is not tied to AT&T's upgrade schedule.
    May work for those on AT&T, but does nothing for us on Verizon or Sprint.
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    07-08-2011 09:25 AM
  6. wynand32's Avatar
    I don't think this means all that much. We've been hearing that negotiations with US carriers have been slow. But the executive's statement that domestic (i.e., South Korean) sales are dwindling while global sales are ramping up isn't relevant, I don't think. Seems like the two quotes are a non sequitor.

    There's nothing here that says we couldn't see the SII in August as we've been anticipating. That would already be later than the Galaxy S was, and could reflect the slow negotiations.

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    07-08-2011 06:26 PM
  7. abhinayp#WP's Avatar
    Why not buy the SGS2 from Newegg for $679 and get a white iPhone 4 upgrade from AT&T and sell it on Craigslist for $600? You'll be out an extra $100 but it will be worth it since you'll have an unlocked phone that is not tied to AT&T's upgrade schedule.
    Does that from newegg come with samsung's warranty?
    07-08-2011 06:30 PM
  8. mikaeldalc's Avatar
    You'll only be getting 2g speeds. Not worth buying unlocked version. Just wait for the next big thing. I just went with the htc sensation and couldn't b happier. Htc is going to show love to their products for a period of time while Samsung will give u an update in a year then forget about u. I loved my vibrant but only because of team whiskey. By the time the galaxy s2 comes out, we'll be talking about quad cores awesomeness.
    07-08-2011 06:40 PM
  9. EggoEspada's Avatar
    Why not buy the SGS2 from Newegg for $679 and get a white iPhone 4 upgrade from AT&T and sell it on Craigslist for $600? You'll be out an extra $100 but it will be worth it since you'll have an unlocked phone that is not tied to AT&T's upgrade schedule.
    A great idea for those on AT&T waiting for this device.
    07-08-2011 06:41 PM
  10. Oj467's Avatar
    I don't think this means all that much. We've been hearing that negotiations with US carriers have been slow. But the executive's statement that domestic (i.e., South Korean) sales are dwindling while global sales are ramping up isn't relevant, I don't think. Seems like the two quotes are a non sequitor.

    There's nothing here that says we couldn't see the SII in August as we've been anticipating. That would already be later than the Galaxy S was, and could reflect the slow negotiations.

    Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
    I guess I'm confused as to why carrier negotiations for the S2 would be any different than any of the other Samsung phones. What needs to be negotiated with VZW with the S2 vs. say the Charge? Does it all boil down to just carrier specific branding/differentiation from other carriers because it's launching across multiple carriers?
    07-08-2011 06:41 PM
  11. Rence's Avatar
    I guess I'm confused as to why carrier negotiations for the S2 would be any different than any of the other Samsung phones. What needs to be negotiated with VZW with the S2 vs. say the Charge? Does it all boil down to just carrier specific branding/differentiation from other carriers because it's launching across multiple carriers?
    Yes, it boils down to that. If you look at the original Galaxy S, it's different on every US carrier. That's unfortunately a likely outcome this time around too, though Samsung is probably fighting to keep it the same as the international version on US carriers.
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    07-08-2011 06:49 PM
  12. Dmunjal's Avatar
    You'll only be getting 2g speeds. Not worth buying unlocked version. Just wait for the next big thing. I just went with the htc sensation and couldn't b happier. Htc is going to show love to their products for a period of time while Samsung will give u an update in a year then forget about u. I loved my vibrant but only because of team whiskey. By the time the galaxy s2 comes out, we'll be talking about quad cores awesomeness.
    You get full 4G speeds on AT&T and 2G speeds on Tmobile. There is no version for CDMA yet.
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    07-08-2011 07:12 PM
  13. bdpjumbi#CB's Avatar
    I am on VZW and bought a DINC with a 1 yr contract last May. I have been eligible for an upgrade since March and want a phone with a bigger screen, dual-core and LTE. I also want something that can have data and voice simultaneously. I am running CM7 on my DINC which is the only thing keeping me sane. I even tried to switch to ATT on an Infuse as it is pretty close to the GSII but my crappy credit screwed that up. VZW needs to step up their handset game!

    I am convinced that all this is artificial scarcity with VZW to give certain phones an exclusive window. They gave the Thunderbolt a window as the only LTE phone. Now I fear the Bionic will have an exclusive window as the only Dual-Core LTE phone thus probably giving us a 3G only GSII if we get it at all. I don't want a Bionic if it is going to be locked and force me to run their crappy Blur. If it is unlocked and the screen doesn't suck and it isn't too heavy then I am in. That's a lot of if's...
    07-08-2011 07:20 PM
  14. planoman's Avatar
    Why not buy the SGS2 from Newegg for $679 and get a white iPhone 4 upgrade from AT&T and sell it on Craigslist for $600? You'll be out an extra $100 but it will be worth it since you'll have an unlocked phone that is not tied to AT&T's upgrade schedule.
    You might want to run your numbers again. Where is the cost to get the iphone with your upgrade?
    07-08-2011 07:45 PM
  15. jiml40's Avatar
    Samsung US sales declined because they don't know customer support after the sale. We all know how they were about OS updates. How long has the Evo had 2.3 and epic still waiting and remember the 2.2 update what a mess. I am proud owner of htc evo3d and don't intend to buy a samsung phone again.
    07-08-2011 08:10 PM
  16. Shamanic Enzan's Avatar
    I guess I'm confused as to why carrier negotiations for the S2 would be any different than any of the other Samsung phones. What needs to be negotiated with VZW with the S2 vs. say the Charge? Does it all boil down to just carrier specific branding/differentiation from other carriers because it's launching across multiple carriers?
    Each carrier wants some kind of exclusivity in order to use it to bring in the sheep for two weeks before it's cheaper on an opponent's wavelengths.
    07-08-2011 08:20 PM
  17. s14tat's Avatar
    Samsung US sales declined because they don't know customer support after the sale. We all know how they were about OS updates. How long has the Evo had 2.3 and epic still waiting and remember the 2.2 update what a mess. I am proud owner of htc evo3d and don't intend to buy a samsung phone again.
    Only smart consumers buys samsung phones because we know they make the best hardware period. You can always root and run roms. Its much easier to do than htc phones for now since the boot loader is not locked. You cant change hardware so why limit yourself to sub standard quality controlled, and having the weakest hardware (htc)? Is it because of official support? No thanks they can keep their bloated ota updates.
    07-08-2011 08:21 PM
  18. Simba501's Avatar
    Why not buy the SGS2 from Newegg for $679 and get a white iPhone 4 upgrade from AT&T and sell it on Craigslist for $600? You'll be out an extra $100 but it will be worth it since you'll have an unlocked phone that is not tied to AT&T's upgrade schedule.
    I may end up doing this. There is no telling when it'll make it over. I also heard a rumor that the AT&T version may feature the Tegra processor (as opposed to the Exynos). If that turns out to be true then I'm definitely purchasing the Euro version.


    Samsung US sales declined because they don't know customer support after the sale. We all know how they were about OS updates. How long has the Evo had 2.3 and epic still waiting and remember the 2.2 update what a mess. I am proud owner of htc evo3d and don't intend to buy a samsung phone again.
    What a nightmare. I was a part of that debacle (owned a Captivate), and we waiting for sooo long on not only Froyo, but also the fix for GPS (which some claim was still broken after the update). I was tempted to say the same (about not buying another Samsung phone), but the GSII is too mouth-watering to avoid. Not to mention the rumor that there may be a 1.4ghz "refresh" in the works that may hit the U.S. instead of the original 1.2. I just can't avoid a 1.2 (maybe 1.4) ghz dual core that actually performs like it appears on paper (Exynos ftw) and a GB of ram. That phone is calling my name.
    07-08-2011 08:21 PM
  19. BigSacAttack#AC's Avatar
    You might want to run your numbers again. Where is the cost to get the iphone with your upgrade?
    It would be a wash, because either way you would pay the $199 upgrade price, whether iPhone or wait until GSII. So they're saying you would only be out an extra $79 bucks on that.
    07-08-2011 08:22 PM
  20. judasmachine's Avatar
    The American carriers are probably worried that CyanogenMod Team already have one.
    07-08-2011 08:46 PM
  21. RETG's Avatar
    Only smart consumers buys samsung phones because we know they make the best hardware period. You can always root and run roms. Its much easier to do than htc phones for now since the boot loader is not locked. You cant change hardware so why limit yourself to sub standard quality controlled, and having the weakest hardware (htc)? Is it because of official support? No thanks they can keep their bloated ota updates.
    I consider myself a smart consumer, I don't root and I don't run ROMs, but I had a fascinate for a few days and I would have been better with two tin cans and a waxed string. The phone reception was terrible, it dropped calls constantly. Took it back, got a Moto and never had that problem again.

    I live in a small town with a strong signal, but on the outskirts of town (in the desert) it drops and that is where your so-called great hardware failed. And, I'm not the only one. I have talked with others who returned samdung products for the same reason. Some went with Moto, some went with HTC all are happy now.

    So, please, don't try and tell me SamDung products have the best hardware. I have heard that before, and strange enough, it has never been shown to be true.
    07-08-2011 09:08 PM
  22. s14tat's Avatar
    I consider myself a smart consumer, I don't root and I don't run ROMs, but I had a fascinate for a few days and I would have been better with two tin cans and a waxed string. The phone reception was terrible, it dropped calls constantly. Took it back, got a Moto and never had that problem again.

    I live in a small town with a strong signal, but on the outskirts of town (in the desert) it drops and that is where your so-called great hardware failed. And, I'm not the only one. I have talked with others who returned samdung products for the same reason. Some went with Moto, some went with HTC all are happy now.

    So, please, don't try and tell me SamDung products have the best hardware. I have heard that before, and strange enough, it has never been shown to be true.
    Well if you root and run a different radio, i'm sure your problems would have to been solved. I live in NYC so reception was never an issue for me. I will admit that the radio is stronger in moto phones, but that is the only place where the moto is better. Processor, screen, everything else the Samsung blows them out of the water. I'm sure if I was to show you my phone, you would be blown away by how fast it moves and how fast it opens up apps. It will make your Droid X or Droid 2 look like a turtle by comparison.

    This is exactly my point about having the best hardware. Just like how the original snap dragon will never beat a hummingbird if the playing field is evened out by running rooted and romed phones, and that is when the htc phones truely feels slow. HTC is the worse offender with crappy quality control but they sure do wow a lot of people with sense that it makes everyone love them. I have no clue why esp when they defend the phone as being built great because its heavy but they are willing to deal with the light leakage on the screen, mis alligned screen, dust collecting under the screen etc etc. Mean while they call samsung hardware cheap because its light and is made of plastic meanwhile we have non of those problems.

    P.S. when I say smart consumers It was meant to be sarcastic because us samsung guys are apparently the weird ones for like such crappy phones ( when stock ) but we really see the diamond in the rough. Its like a beast waiting to be unleashed when you root it and run voodoo.
    07-08-2011 09:15 PM
  23. PhoneJunkie's Avatar
    Only smart consumers buys samsung phones because we know they make the best hardware period. You can always root and run roms. Its much easier to do than htc phones for now since the boot loader is not locked. You cant change hardware so why limit yourself to sub standard quality controlled, and having the weakest hardware (htc)? Is it because of official support? No thanks they can keep their bloated ota updates.
    You may want to go on the xda forums and read what people are saying that actually have the SGS2, before bashing other manufacturers and claiming superior hardware. They're having the same issues as every other manufacturer does when releasing a new phone. Screens popping out, overheating, severe lag, charging port issues just to name a few.

    Another reason Verizon and Sprint are still negotiating with Samsung, is because they both prefer to deal with HTC and Motorola, because the Samsung CDMA radio in inferior.

    Many times those "bloated OTA updates" are to fix software issues that, you know like the Samsung Nexus S that's struggling to maintain reception and make phone calls. It's an update people have been waiting months for. You also forget that very few of the millions of people buying this phone even know what rooting a phone is. So the updates are very important.
    07-08-2011 09:33 PM
  24. Jordan jones's Avatar
    I guess I'm confused as to why carrier negotiations for the S2 would be any different than any of the other Samsung phones. What needs to be negotiated with VZW with the S2 vs. say the Charge? Does it all boil down to just carrier specific branding/differentiation from other carriers because it's launching across multiple carriers?
    My guess is that samsung knows this is the best smartphone out and they do not want the american networks to butcher it and not even market as the best. (they fill they deserve the iphone treatment.)
    07-08-2011 09:43 PM
  25. s14tat's Avatar
    You may want to go on the xda forums and read what people are saying that actually have the SGS2, before bashing other manufacturers and claiming superior hardware. They're having the same issues as every other manufacturer does when releasing a new phone. Screens popping out, overheating, severe lag, charging port issues just to name a few.

    Another reason Verizon and Sprint are still negotiating with Samsung, is because they both prefer to deal with HTC and Motorola, because the Samsung CDMA radio in inferior.

    Many times those "bloated OTA updates" are to fix software issues that, you know like the Samsung Nexus S that's struggling to maintain reception and make phone calls. It's an update people have been waiting months for. You also forget that very few of the millions of people buying this phone even know what rooting a phone is. So the updates are very important.

    I am on xda developers as well, you are seriously stretching the truth if you are comparing the build quality issues samsung has to htc's. Also you speak of verizon and sprint preferring to deal with HTC and Moto as a fact. Where is the proof to your claim? As I mentioned, I am aware that the radio in the fascinate is not the best but it was never weak and I still get the same download speeds as htc phones, the only phone that gets consistently better reception and gets better download speeds are motos. If the radio is the problem than how come the gsm counter parts ( t mobil and at&t )also are not announced? Also most of verizon's updates causes more problems than the fixed. The developers do much better running the leaked versions that samsung leaks rather than wait forever for official updates from verizon ( which ironically still has the same issues but we have BING!!! hooray !!! ) A stock fascinate is pretty pathetic, it makes me sad to see it stock all bloated, binged and touchwized up.

    edit: Hows that bootloader doing btw that the ceo promises to unlock for you guys? Sorry for rubbing it in. As you can see I've had it up to my head from all the htc and moto fan boys making fun of samsung phones that I decided to play their games..... No samsung is not paying me either, they should though.
    07-08-2011 09:51 PM
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