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  1. Johnly's Avatar
    where did he say that?
    Shall I quote his quote or can you read sir.
    01-12-2011 10:01 PM
  2. DroidXcon's Avatar
    Shall I quote his quote or can you read sir.
    Quote it for me since you so kindly offered
    01-12-2011 10:02 PM
  3. Ronindan's Avatar
    The carriers? God only knows, I wish I had the answer to that question. I've always had a sneaking suspicion on Verizon is that they can't get their bloatware crap to work right with the update, but it's been delayed on all the carriers. Who knows.
    That to me is the main reason that Samsung has not yet released froyo for American carriers.

    The Telus fascinate did not have any proprietary Telus apps (Telus Nav, Telus Web, etc..). It only has Samsung own apps and Touch Wiz off course. I am not sure for Bell's Vibrant and Rogers Captivate.
    01-12-2011 10:06 PM
  4. Johnly's Avatar
    where did he say that?
    So there's that story going around (first reported at AndroidSpin) from a tipster regarding the Android 2.2 update for the Vibrant, and how Samsung, not T-Mobile, supposedly is holding up the update. We got that tip, too, and we've been talking with the tipster. Here, with his/her permission, is the tip.
    Really? Dude, come on! Phil posted the tip. Does he, or any one believe it? That is the debate of this thread guy! Happy Android droidXcon!
    01-12-2011 10:13 PM
  5. Johnly's Avatar
    Most carries don't take more than a month filling an OS with bloat. Money by Pink Floyd, yes it is a GAS! Not a brake..OY!
    01-12-2011 10:14 PM
  6. DroidXcon's Avatar
    [/INDENT]So there you go. The entire tip. Is it all on the level? Dunno. We're not even sure we believe it all. (We're skeptical like that.) But the fact is we're all still waiting on Froyo for the Vibrant.
    Regardless, my thing is this: T-Mobile's the one that has to worry about selling Vibrants. Not Sammy. Sammy sells to T-Mo, T-Mo sells to us.
    According to Phil, it is on Sammy's court. Not the carriers.
    Does he, or any one believe it? That is the debate of this thread guy! Happy Android droidXcon!

    Its phil's job to report news to us whether he believes it or not, this was not him giving an opinion this was him keeping us informed.

    you just stated that "According to Phil,its in Sammys court" According to the report its in Sammsy court

    but thank you for your humble and gracious response, i appreciate how respectful you can be to me and the other members of the forums
    01-12-2011 10:19 PM
  7. Johnly's Avatar
    Its phil's job to report news to us whether he believes it or not, this was not him giving an opinion this was him keeping us informed.

    you just stated that "According to Phil,its in Sammys court" According to the report its in Sammsy court

    but thank you for your humble and gracious response, i appreciate how respectful you can be to me and the other members of the forums
    Phil posted it. And you are welcome
    01-12-2011 10:22 PM
  8. Chris Kerrigan's Avatar
    This is my warning: Phil created this thread to spark a discussion about the topic, not so we can argue about Phil's intent and/or his views. Keep it that way, and knock off the sarcastic remarks, I only give out warnings once.
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    01-12-2011 10:23 PM
  9. Johnly's Avatar
    But the fact is we're all still waiting on Froyo for the Vibrant.
    Sir, I believe you are inclined to the opinion you posted. Why else bother? Since you have been called for an "official" opinion, what do you think?
    01-12-2011 10:26 PM
  10. Phil Nickinson's Avatar
    Everybody chill, and stop trying to read anything into what I wrote in the OP. The meat is in what the tipster wrote, right or wrong.

    Is any of it true? I don't know, and I'd urge everyone to take a deep breath. We're discussing it here because we don't know what's taking so long for the update, and it'd be inappropriate to do a blog post stating any of this as fact.

    But the bigger point right now is that *everybody* needs to chill.
    01-13-2011 12:13 AM
  11. darkmanx2g's Avatar
    Now this I am skeptical on believing. Before the vibrant I had the blackberry 8900. Was waiting for os5.0 till I couldn't wait anymore and loaded a official version of blackberry. Os 5.0 from another carrier! Its tmobile that's holding up the update.

    Luckily I'm rooted and enjoying froyo 2.2 on my vibrant for 3 months now. Again my gut feeling would be tmobile is behind this.
    01-13-2011 02:40 AM
  12. Johnly's Avatar
    Chilling like a villein homiest : ) We all are lax like a snail!!! What you posted is debated! I think Sammy screwed em too! OY!!!!
    01-13-2011 02:56 AM
  13. Debo45215's Avatar
    Reading this email I was struck by one thing the writer said "We [T-Mobile] had an update for the G1, and HTC begged us not to." If I'm understanding this right, he's claiming that T-Mobile built an update for the G1 that HTC didn't want them to send it to customers. What bothers me about that is, unless I'm mistaken (and I realize I very well may be), the manufacterer (in this case HTC) would write the update then send it to the carrier who sends it to customers after testing it to make sure it will send/install properly.
    And even if my understanding is wrong about the quote the only other way to read it would be that HTC made the update for the G1 sent to T-Mobile and then said "nah, G1 owners don't send it." Maybe it's just me, but unless they found out it [the G1 update] wouldn't work (which they should have seen prior to sending it to T-Mobile) this is just too bizzare to believe.
    In reference to the Vibrant update, I don't know why we don't have it any more than anyone else does. But that one sentence bothered me enough to call the whole thing garbage.
    01-13-2011 06:28 AM
  14. ryaninc's Avatar
    Everyone loves a conspiracy, and since Samsung has a history of being severely lax in pushing updates, this rumor is somewhat believable.

    But I don't buy it. The overwhelming majority of people who bought the Vibrant bought it on a 2-year contract. So does Samsung really expect enough of those people to break their contract to get the new Vibrant 4G? A few will sure, but most won't. Plus, once T-Mobile starts selling the new Vibrant, they're sure to stop selling the original, meaning new customers probably won't even know there ever was an original model.

    If Samsung were trying to increase profits by not releasing an update, it would seem to make more sense for them to not spend money developing an update at all.

    So while I'd love to believe this just to have someone to point the finger at, I just don't see it being true.
    01-13-2011 08:41 AM
  15. rahlquist's Avatar
    I have been saying this same thing for months, they are holding back this update in the US that they have released in every other place ONLY for marketing! They dont want to release 2.2 because its not going to be the magic pill that fixes the GPS problems, so people will scream loudly. See right now many are giving them the benefit of the doubt that they may be able to fix it, they cant, the GPS in the erealy galaxy S designs have a weak antenna.

    They didnt release Froyo before Christmas to keep negative press down about the GPS still being broken and to see more products including tablets. They arent releasing it now in order to maximize the profit on upcoming products. They are lying to us constantly. My wife has a Nexus S and it runs G-bread beautifully. We should have Friggin G-bread on every Galaxy S device, the simple fact is they are NOT that different but the carriers and Samsung are purposely withholding this to maximize profits and to hell with us who have already invested.

    You cannot tell me since the Galaxy S line was released in mid 2010 that they could not have Froyo ready to roll. Its utter BS.
    01-13-2011 11:08 AM
  16. Kyle Gibb's Avatar
    I really like to hope that Samsung (and other manufacturers) are not this stupid.
    01-13-2011 11:15 AM
  17. Beezzy's Avatar
    Idk why anyone thought this would be different than any other Samsung phone. Samsung has always been known for not updating their phones. The Omnia, Behold II, and now the Galaxy S line. If anyone thinks the Galaxy Tab will get 3.0 Honeycomb is an *****! HTC and Moto phones are the only phones with somesort of update future. The fact that mid range LG phones have 2.2 shows how much Samsung is horrible at pushing updates.

    Sent from my DROID2 using Tapatalk
    01-13-2011 11:16 AM
  18. Ronindan's Avatar
    I have been saying this same thing for months, they are holding back this update in the US that they have released in every other place ONLY for marketing! They dont want to release 2.2 because its not going to be the magic pill that fixes the GPS problems, so people will scream loudly. See right now many are giving them the benefit of the doubt that they may be able to fix it, they cant, the GPS in the erealy galaxy S designs have a weak antenna.

    They didnt release Froyo before Christmas to keep negative press down about the GPS still being broken and to see more products including tablets. They arent releasing it now in order to maximize the profit on upcoming products. They are lying to us constantly. My wife has a Nexus S and it runs G-bread beautifully. We should have Friggin G-bread on every Galaxy S device, the simple fact is they are NOT that different but the carriers and Samsung are purposely withholding this to maximize profits and to hell with us who have already invested.

    You cannot tell me since the Galaxy S line was released in mid 2010 that they could not have Froyo ready to roll. Its utter BS.
    I am not sure how witholding an os upgrade for a particular country is going to help Samsung with their marketing efforts. I mean if they are afraid or are worried about the gps issues why even release the gps fix at all.
    01-13-2011 11:25 AM
  19. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    The fact that this is even a story is enough to make me not want anymore samsung phones, nexus or not. But products get dropped from support all the time. If that's what's happening I wish they would just come out and say it.

    Personally I think they should push froyo or then stop. Galaxy s2 coming out soon, after that you won't see it for sure.
    01-13-2011 11:39 AM
  20. cesarb's Avatar
    Seems like everything that samsung touches is extremely successful and then they just forget about it.... What a fail.... Man am I glad I have a nexus... Its a shame that you samsung owners have this problem... That phone still has a lot of potential...

    Sent from my Nexus One using Tapatalk
    01-13-2011 11:55 AM
  21. ls377's Avatar
    I think there's two sides to this coin. Yes, Samsung dropped the ball with the update. These phones should have (IMO) launched with Froyo, and if they had problems with an update, then it's their fault for creating hardware so different from the HTC and Moto phones. The carriers, however, are the ones holding it up at this point.

    As for this rumor, there's too many holes in it. Almost every non-US Galaxy S has Froyo, and the Euro version has had it for a few months. Why wouldn't Samsung hold them up, too? And why would Samsung ask the carriers to hold off on the update, and then throw them under the bus by blaming them for holding it up? There's no way they would risk that, since the carriers are Samsung's customers.

    If Samsung "asked" T-mobile to hold off on the update, then why did T-mobile agree? This sounds like an employee trying to push the blame off of T-mobile.
    01-13-2011 12:50 PM
  22. thebizz's Avatar
    I don't see why so many people are having a hard time seeing this. Yes Samsung can build froyo for the vibrant bit how much would it change from the vibrant to vibrant 4g ? Ril added support for the ffc that's like nothing. Let's stop kidding ourselves Samsung would rather sale you a new phone with very few changes than continue to support your device
    01-13-2011 12:54 PM
  23. emuneee's Avatar
    This whole update issue for the US Galaxy S devices is startling enough for me to never ever purchase another Samsung product ever again.

    Just to clear up some common misconceptions. Samsung adds all the bloatware during R&D using the operator's requirements. The device/firmware then goes through operator certification. If it passes, its up the operator to release the update, if not, it goes back to the manufacturer for fixes.
    01-13-2011 01:03 PM
  24. Ronindan's Avatar
    This whole update issue for the US Galaxy S devices is startling enough for me to never ever purchase another Samsung product ever again.

    Just to clear up some common misconceptions. Samsung adds all the bloatware during R&D using the operator's requirements. The device/firmware then goes through operator certification. If it passes, its up the operator to release the update, if not, it goes back to the manufacturer for fixes.

    Samsung has to add all the bloatware (including the carriers) to froyo. However if Samsung is coming out with bad code, then all of the carriers that Samsung work with would have rejected Samsung's code. But that is not the case, there was only one bad release (Bell's), after which Samsung released froyo again after a couple of weeks.

    To me the bloatware is the cause of the delay. You have to spend time configuring, testing and re-testing each app. Even if the end user does not use the app itself. The carriers still wants to make sure they work in the random chance that the customer will use the app.
    01-13-2011 02:47 PM
  25. Jerry Hildenbrand's Avatar
    .... My wife has a Nexus S and it runs G-bread beautifully. We should have Friggin G-bread on every Galaxy S device, the simple fact is they are NOT that different but the carriers and Samsung are purposely withholding this to maximize profits and to hell with us who have already invested....
    The only thing the same is the CPU and the screen. By that logic, Gingerbread should work on the iPhone 4 and the Droid Incredible, because it works on the Nexus S. The people who have ported GB to other devices have worked very hard to do so, including the few GB development ROMs for the Galaxy S phones.

    I don't see why so many people are having a hard time seeing this. Yes Samsung can build froyo for the vibrant bit how much would it change from the vibrant to vibrant 4g ? Ril added support for the ffc that's like nothing. Let's stop kidding ourselves Samsung would rather sale you a new phone with very few changes than continue to support your device
    And new SoC, and digitizer, and radio, and, and, and.... Android isn't plug and play
    01-13-2011 03:00 PM
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