01-18-2011 10:21 PM
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  1. fwdixon's Avatar
    Keep in mind that at this point, about the only carriers that don't have an ETA on Froyo are the Big 4 in the US. Even the minor carriers are putting rollout dates, and outside the US it's already out.

    The common theme here isn't samsung or even the US, but rather the Big 4. The Vibrant/Telus Fascinate are very similar HW-wise to the I9000, 2 out of 3 of those have official 2.2 out.

    I'm inclined to believe the issue is with the major carriers and their crap they put on the phones, not samsung.

    Oh, and the GPS is easily fixed by a firmware update. So again I put the bulk of the blame on the carriers.
    01-13-2011 03:21 PM
  2. heredavid's Avatar
    I have two points and a viewpoint, Point One: It does not matter if both or just either are the ones not allowing, I use the word allowing as that is all it is, the GalaxyS to have the latest Android OS. What does matter is that Samsung repeatedly made statements that updates to fix all the issues AND the updating of the OS would be forthcoming over six months ago therefore it is and honor thing. Point two: Both Samsung and T-mobile (as we are only talking about the Vibrant, yet is also the same for the other carriers) by not standing up with respect of their customers and honor of their words and deeds, by making a full disclosure of the facts are at fault. If T-mobile shows its customers respect they would make a statement as to what they have/or are doing to update AND WHEN if they are going to do so. The same goes for Samsung, yet neither have done therefore sadly they BOTH are the problem.

    Better yet, a road map of each devices, before going on sale, as to what version is current and SPECIFIC dates IF any updates are to be forthcoming. If they miss that date the phone is returned for any current and any future phone within a set time frame of say six months with no costs to the customer. Would be nice if some politician needed to get elected (re-elected) would put forth such a bill. The public airwaves really do not belong to companies rather are owned by the people (elected politicians decide how to regulate) and NOT THE COMPANIES. If they cannot be fair and honorable than it is time to regulate this! The free market place is only free IF your behave honorably, otherwise, it needs to be regulated. Enough is enough!
    01-13-2011 04:23 PM
  3. ls377's Avatar
    I have two points and a viewpoint, Point One: It does not matter if both or just either are the ones not allowing, I use the word allowing as that is all it is, the GalaxyS to have the latest Android OS. What does matter is that Samsung repeatedly made statements that updates to fix all the issues AND the updating of the OS would be forthcoming over six months ago therefore it is and honor thing. Point two: Both Samsung and T-mobile (as we are only talking about the Vibrant, yet is also the same for the other carriers) by not standing up with respect of their customers and honor of their words and deeds, by making a full disclosure of the facts are at fault. If T-mobile shows its customers respect they would make a statement as to what they have/or are doing to update AND WHEN if they are going to do so. The same goes for Samsung, yet neither have done therefore sadly they BOTH are the problem.

    Better yet, a road map of each devices, before going on sale, as to what version is current and SPECIFIC dates IF any updates are to be forthcoming. If they miss that date the phone is returned for any current and any future phone within a set time frame of say six months with no costs to the customer. Would be nice if some politician needed to get elected (re-elected) would put forth such a bill. The public airwaves really do not belong to companies rather are owned by the people (elected politicians decide how to regulate) and NOT THE COMPANIES. If they cannot be fair and honorable than it is time to regulate this! The free market place is only free IF your behave honorably, otherwise, it needs to be regulated. Enough is enough!
    As if the PR wasn't bad enough. If they set a timeline and didn't meet it, things would be worse then they are now (and people other than us would care). Same thing if they rushed an update and started bricking phones or broke something. They don't do it so there isn't as much pressure to get the update ready.
    01-13-2011 04:51 PM
  4. MegaSoundwave76's Avatar
    Agreed. To many holes in this issue. I think all the carriers and the bloatware that were installed on the phones are the big issues here. I never really heard of any of the Euro Galaxy S phones having any GPS issues. I remember when the wife got herself a brand spanking new Palm Pre Plus from Verizon Wireless and her navigation didn't work. Turned out that the VZ Location services was messing with Google services and vice versa. I just upgraded my phone from the HTC Droid Eris to the Samsung Fascinate and the Fascinate had a pretty darn weird GPS issue also. Looking at location settings and comparing the Fascinate to the Eris, I saw that the Fascinate has "VZW Location Service" and it was defaulted to on when I received the phone. My Eris never gave me navigation issues (once I had the Eclair update) and it never had the VZW Location Service option installed (running stock, HTC Sense, no customer roms, no rooting, etc.). I don't know why but all the bloated software they put on the Galaxy S phones, including the Carriers, made it into this issue. I'm pretty happy with the Fascinate myself, but I can totally understand the frustration of my fellow Galaxy S owners.
    01-13-2011 05:56 PM
  5. ls377's Avatar
    Agreed. To many holes in this issue. I think all the carriers and the bloatware that were installed on the phones are the big issues here. I never really heard of any of the Euro Galaxy S phones having any GPS issues. I remember when the wife got herself a brand spanking new Palm Pre Plus from Verizon Wireless and her navigation didn't work. Turned out that the VZ Location services was messing with Google services and vice versa. I just upgraded my phone from the HTC Droid Eris to the Samsung Fascinate and the Fascinate had a pretty darn weird GPS issue also. Looking at location settings and comparing the Fascinate to the Eris, I saw that the Fascinate has "VZW Location Service" and it was defaulted to on when I received the phone. My Eris never gave me navigation issues (once I had the Eclair update) and it never had the VZW Location Service option installed (running stock, HTC Sense, no customer roms, no rooting, etc.). I don't know why but all the bloated software they put on the Galaxy S phones, including the Carriers, made it into this issue. I'm pretty happy with the Fascinate myself, but I can totally understand the frustration of my fellow Galaxy S owners.
    If I remember right, the Pre Plus was locked to Verizon's Location services, so no other app could use GPS. The Fascinate isn't and all the Galaxy S phones seem to have the problem. But it's interesting that the Fascinate had that and the Eris didn't.
    01-13-2011 05:59 PM
  6. Chris Kerrigan's Avatar
    The VZW Location Services is something Verizon started once they began putting bloat on phones. Both the OG Droid and Eris were relatively bloat free.
    01-13-2011 06:02 PM
  7. thebizz's Avatar
    [QUOTE=gbhil;529762)


    And new SoC, and digitizer, and radio, and, and, and.... Android isn't plug and play[/QUOTE]

    From what I understood it the vibrant plus didn't have the samoled + social I can see for the new radio but come on a kernel and ril I understand android isn't plug and play their is alot of back end things that most wont see
    01-13-2011 07:30 PM
  8. Daedalus's Avatar
    I am not sure what to believe anymore. But I will say this for the last 7 years I never had an issue with T-Mobile till I got a Samsung Phone. Samsung has made repetitive promises that froyo was going to be release for our devices, so far this has not come to be. This will most likely my last Samsung phone I purchase and it will have an impact on any future purchases of different product lines. Yes I know that my decisions not to purchase their products even when I am doing Purchases for my work will not impact their bottom line but if more people end up boycotting Samsung maybe their will learn that that they are in a service industry and yes the people can voice their opinions with their dollar.
    01-13-2011 07:37 PM
  9. DroidXcon's Avatar
    I am not sure what to believe anymore. But I will say this for the last 7 years I never had an issue with T-Mobile till I got a Samsung Phone. Samsung has made repetitive promises that froyo was going to be release for our devices, so far this has not come to be. This will most likely my last Samsung phone I purchase and it will have an impact on any future purchases of different product lines. Yes I know that my decisions not to purchase their products even when I am doing Purchases for my work will not impact their bottom line but if more people end up boycotting Samsung maybe their will learn that that they are in a service industry and yes the people can voice their opinions with their dollar.
    what phone were you using those 7 years?
    01-13-2011 07:38 PM
  10. Daedalus's Avatar
    what phone were you using those 7 years?
    I have had 3 Samsung dumb phones then went to the Razor , HTC Dash, BB 8320, BB 8900, MT3G 1.2, then the Vibrant.
    01-13-2011 07:41 PM
  11. crabjoe's Avatar
    The email makes sense to me.

    I don't think bloatware can hold up any OS to the extent that Froyo has been with the US Galaxy S phones. Good Lord ... Developers are always taking out carrier bloatware and if you want to install specific ones, it's just an apk. Not only that, if Android software had to be customized to run on Android, there would need to be different versions of software for every make and model of Android phone on the market. I know Shazam and a bunch of other programs in the market work just fine on my phones.

    As for Samsung holding up the software... I can see any company doing it. It's no sweat off Samsung's back since they're in the business of selling hardware and the general public has no idea on the different versions of Android. All the average person see's on the Galaxy S phones is that SAMOLED screen. Plus, it's the carrier that get's most of the flack for not pushing the update. But in Samsung's case, most of their updates have been via Kies. So if Sammy really wanted to push Froyo to the Vibrant, they could just push it with Kies.

    Here's another reason I see this being true... The US is a huge market, maybe even the largest, if you're looking at any individual country. Samsung has stated they want to sell 60 MILLION phones this year and if they can end date the hardware that was released in 2010, they end up with a larger pool of potential customers.

    There's no reason for T-Mobile or any carrier to not want to update their existing phones. Carriers are in the business of selling service and if a customer keeps their phone longer, they can make more money. Why spend on subsidizing a phone, if they can keep it in their pockets?
    01-13-2011 09:22 PM
  12. thebizz's Avatar
    Their is no way you can tell me samsung can't make a stable version of froyo for the us market. If they can build it for upcoming devices then they should be able to with the current phones
    01-13-2011 09:50 PM
  13. jdm4u's Avatar
    Looking into all these rumors and tips that have been released recently, i'm feeling a bit upset with t-mobile.

    BUT heres the thing...

    As stated before, idk if here or another forum, I have been reading too many threads about this now, technology is always upgraded. I am upset that there is a Vibrant 4G being released now, with everything i actually wanted in the original vibrant, but if im not mistaken, wasn't this done before? Not with Samsung, but with HTC. When the mytouch 3g came out I bought it because it was a cool little device and i didnt need a keyboard like the g1 had. Later on, the Mytouch 3G 3.5mm came out. Were people upset back then as they are now? It was the same mytouch, just updated. I didn't even know about it until my mytouch got damaged and i claimed insurance on it, and i was getting the 3.5mm version. Honestly, Its all business. I hate to say it, because now i really feel that t-mobile/samsung really gave us the finger here, but we really shouldn't be surprised about all this.

    What doesnt make sense is why release and updated vibrant when:

    1. All everyone wants is 2.2
    2. The samsung Galaxy S 2 is going to be revealed as soon as February from what I understand.

    So is there really a reason to release an updated vibrant??? And if so, the new Vibrant is still another middle finger because they didn't load it with 2.3.
    01-13-2011 11:41 PM
  14. thebizz's Avatar
    Exactly the s2 will most likely come with 2.3 and release a little after mid year as we said before Samsung doesn't care about your experience they just want your money
    01-13-2011 11:52 PM
  15. crabjoe's Avatar
    Lookie here!! Samsung responds to claims of holding back Vibrant's Froyo update | Android Atlas - CNET Blogs

    CNet wrote Samsung about the rumor and they got back a reply.

    Samsung's reply basically says they are still testing Froyo on the Galaxy S phones in the US and it will be released when it's ready.

    I'd say their response gives more credence to the tipster.

    Samsung has Failed Again!!!
    01-14-2011 12:57 AM
  16. Jerry Hildenbrand's Avatar
    Lookie here!! Samsung responds to claims of holding back Vibrant's Froyo update | Android Atlas - CNET Blogs

    CNet wrote Samsung about the rumor and they got back a reply.

    Samsung's reply basically says they are still testing Froyo on the Galaxy S phones in the US and it will be released when it's ready.

    I'd say their response gives more credence to the tipster.

    Samsung has Failed Again!!!
    I'd say their response gives more credence to the fact that it's hard to get U-Verse or Bing Maps to play nice with touchwiz...
    01-14-2011 01:25 AM
  17. DroidXcon's Avatar
    +1 I dont see how that aligns with anything besides our carriers are PITA
    I'd say their response gives more credence to the fact that it's hard to get U-Verse or Bing Maps to play nice with touchwiz...


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    01-14-2011 01:30 AM
  18. the3dgm's Avatar
    This may be comparing apples and oranges, however. . .

    I came from a Blackberry Bold 9000 to the Samsung Captivate this past Nov. 2010. The BB 9000 needed upgraded from OS 4.x to 5.x. The last country in the World to get the update was the U.S. The upgrade came from Blackberry it's self via it's version of Kies. (OK, the programs have nothing in common as Blackberry's does updates, backs your phone up to your computer, sync's everything, etc. and Kies does. . . nothing!)

    The only thing I'm saying, I guess, is this is my second time with this b.s. just a different phone. I'm giving it till March and then if still no upgrade I'll root and figure out who's ROM to try.
    01-14-2011 01:37 AM
  19. DroidXcon's Avatar
    Why bother waiting
    This may be comparing apples and oranges, however. . .

    I came from a Blackberry Bold 9000 to the Samsung Captivate this past Nov. 2010. The BB 9000 needed upgraded from OS 4.x to 5.x. The last country in the World to get the update was the U.S. The upgrade came from Blackberry it's self via it's version of Kies. (OK, the programs have nothing in common as Blackberry's does updates, backs your phone up to your computer, sync's everything, etc. and Kies does. . . nothing!)

    The only thing I'm saying, I guess, is this is my second time with this b.s. just a different phone. I'm giving it till March and then if still no upgrade I'll root and figure out who's ROM to try.


    Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
    01-14-2011 01:43 AM
  20. thebizz's Avatar
    I'd say their response gives more credence to the fact that it's hard to get U-Verse or Bing Maps to play nice with touchwiz...
    That very well could be true all this bloat or stuff added to it could really slow down development
    01-14-2011 02:31 AM
  21. the3dgm's Avatar
    Why bother waiting
    a) I'm still under warranty

    b) I'm the only person who had Samsung fix his/her phone to correct the 'Sleep/Die' problem and the phone flat out works now

    c) I've got to get the best battery life of any Android Phone ever made LOL 4 to 5 days per charge with moderate use.

    d) My phone was not purchased to replace either of my computer systems or for playing games

    e) And, I'm really not in a hurry since the phone is doing everything I want it to and more

    However, I wont wait forever, otherwise, I wouldn't be on the Androidcentral forums
    01-14-2011 07:48 AM
  22. icebike's Avatar
    Lookie here!! Samsung responds to claims of holding back Vibrant's Froyo update | Android Atlas - CNET Blogs

    CNet wrote Samsung about the rumor and they got back a reply.

    Samsung's reply basically says they are still testing Froyo on the Galaxy S phones in the US and it will be released when it's ready.

    I'd say their response gives more credence to the tipster.

    Samsung has Failed Again!!!
    All sammy said was:

    Samsung feels it is important to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available only after we feel that we can give the millions of U.S. Galaxy S owners a simple and reliable upgrade experience. Due to the complexity and unique functionality of each Galaxy S device, we are performing additional testing and are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S. Galaxy S owners, including the Samsung Vibrant, as soon as possible.
    .

    I bolded the marketing droid speak portion, the part that looks like weasel words to me.

    T-Mobiles pretty much pure Google Vibrant may well be ready to go.

    But as Jerry hinted at in another post, it may be that T-Mobile is being pressured to hold back because some OTHER Galaxy phones are not ready, maybe the Binged Galaxy versions.

    Its entirely possible that Samsung had to make concessions to carriers in order to get them all to come out with their semi-custom Galaxy phones at the same time. That concession being that they will all have access to the Update at the same time. All galaxy customers and carriers treated equally.

    So it might just be a contractual obligation???

    (I know, conspiracies are more fun. So for those of you wanting that road there is this XDA Developer's Class action suit. )

    In any event, this story should be getting front-of-the-blog play, as it is on most other Android sites. It shouldn't be buried down here in the forums where both Samsung and T-Mobile can ignore it. Nothing forces openness like lots of airplay.
    01-14-2011 03:41 PM
  23. soccerdon1981's Avatar
    Why bother waiting

    Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
    Exactly.....get to flashin'!

    Sent from my Fascinate via Tapatalk
    01-14-2011 03:51 PM
  24. Phil Nickinson's Avatar
    In any event, this story should be getting front-of-the-blog play, as it is on most other Android sites. It shouldn't be buried down here in the forums where both Samsung and T-Mobile can ignore it. Nothing forces openness like lots of airplay.
    1. As soon as I see a lawsuit, and not just someone saying he filed a lawsuit, I'll start to care. Feel free to send me the link. (And update me if and when a judge actually approves the class.)

    2. We're not like most other Android sites. Not coincidentally, we're also the biggest and best.
    01-14-2011 04:24 PM
  25. Daedalus's Avatar
    Personally i hope the guys gets his class action suit going. when he does I will submit my information to the Law Firm and only the Law Firm not to some guy on a forum.

    Secondly Google could prevent this in the future by telling each manufacture that they can not and will not fragment the Android OS. The easy way to accomplish this is is access to thing like the Market and releasing a minimum spec for each version released, anything exceeds those specs must be updated by the carrier and if within 120 days of them getting the release it has not been accomplished all later phone will be blocked from critical Android resources, like the Market, Google Maps,...

    This can be accomplished by IMEI numbers, can you imagine the Vibrant 2 (4G) what ever they are going to call it with no access to android apps, or Google maps that would be and a nice little uproar at the Carriers and Manufactures.
    01-14-2011 10:07 PM
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