03-16-2019 06:28 PM
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  1. jcp007's Avatar
    Whether optical, capacitive or ultrasonic, how secure are these device features? Are they stored locally on the device only or can they be accessed and used for identity theft? Are they uploaded to the Samsung or Google Cloud? Given the recent data breeches, I have reservations.
    03-16-2019 12:09 PM
  2. NIZMOZ44's Avatar
    Way more secure than Face ID. I believe (correct me if I am wrong), but its the only method on the phone that will allow you to pay with Samsung pay and use logins as they think its secure enough for that.
    03-16-2019 12:15 PM
  3. jcp007's Avatar
    Way more secure than Face ID. I believe (correct me if I am wrong), but its the only method on the phone that will allow you to pay with Samsung pay and use logins as they think its secure enough for that.
    Maybe with the Time of Flight sensor in the next GS11+ or later, face unlock will rival Apple.

    In the old days, while difficult and time consuming and before these technologies were available, identity theft could be resolved. Being able to hack and spoof a three dimensional print makes it that much harder to resolve.
    03-16-2019 12:24 PM
  4. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Way more secure than Face ID. I believe (correct me if I am wrong), but its the only method on the phone that will allow you to pay with Samsung pay and use logins as they think its secure enough for that.
    Samsung pay also has a pin code so you don't need to use a print
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    03-16-2019 12:26 PM
  5. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Whether optical, capacitive or ultrasonic, how secure are these device features? Are they stored locally on the device only or can they be accessed and used for identity theft? Are they uploaded to the Samsung or Google Cloud? Given the recent data breeches, I have reservations.
    I believe they are only stored on the device.
    03-16-2019 12:27 PM
  6. mustang7757's Avatar
    Way more secure than Face ID. I believe (correct me if I am wrong), but its the only method on the phone that will allow you to pay with Samsung pay and use logins as they think its secure enough for that.
    Face id is just as secure can use banking apps with it .
    03-16-2019 12:39 PM
  7. NIZMOZ44's Avatar
    Face id is just as secure can use banking apps with it .
    Not if you can spoof it with a picture as unboxtherapy proved. It wont let you login to my banks like fingerprints work. If you are talking about the iPhone face I'd then that's different. But I didn't talk about that. We are discussing Samsung's face Id.
    03-16-2019 12:41 PM
  8. Almeuit's Avatar
    Way more secure than Face ID. I believe (correct me if I am wrong), but its the only method on the phone that will allow you to pay with Samsung pay and use logins as they think its secure enough for that.
    Well do you mean Face ID as in the iPhone or Face Unlock (Samsung one)? They're two different things.
    03-16-2019 12:42 PM
  9. mustang7757's Avatar
    Not if you can spoof it with a picture as unboxtherapy proved. It wont let you login to my banks like fingerprints work. If you are talking about the iPhone face I'd then that's different. But I didn't talk about that. We are discussing Samsung's face Id.
    Oh , thought you said iPhone face id
    03-16-2019 12:43 PM
  10. NIZMOZ44's Avatar
    Oh , thought you said iPhone face id
    Never mentioned iPhone.
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    03-16-2019 12:43 PM
  11. mustang7757's Avatar
    Never mentioned iPhone.
    Ok fair enough
    Iris is definitely secure but not regular face Id on Samsung phones.
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    03-16-2019 12:45 PM
  12. Almeuit's Avatar
    Never mentioned iPhone.
    Well Face ID is pretty much the known term for iPhone face unlock so that's why I asked. You mean that Samsungs Face Unlock is not secure enough for Samsung pay which is correct.
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    03-16-2019 01:03 PM
  13. felloffthetruck's Avatar
    It's so secure that you can't even log into your own phone with it.
    03-16-2019 01:12 PM
  14. jhimmel's Avatar
    It's so secure that you can't even log into your own phone with it.
    Lol, but they are sending fixes. These fixes probably amount to relaxing the strictness of the match in order to get it to work. Eventually, a dry twig touching the right spot on the phone will probably unlock it.
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    03-16-2019 01:21 PM
  15. Sapient's Avatar
    Never mentioned iPhone.
    Face ID is Apple's trademarked name for their facial recognition system.
    03-16-2019 02:16 PM
  16. NIZMOZ44's Avatar
    Face ID is Apple's trademarked name for their facial recognition system.
    I understand that. I didn't recall what Samsung called it so I didn't think it mattered as people usually just call both on Samsung's and apples face Id on sites.
    03-16-2019 02:19 PM
  17. jcp007's Avatar
    It's so secure that you can't even log into your own phone with it.
    My concern, albeit overreacting and potentially unfounded, is that print scans can be hacked and spoofed by identity thieves from using it. I just want to make sure that it's not backed up to the cloud later to be hacked in a massive data breach.
    03-16-2019 02:21 PM
  18. Mike Dee's Avatar
    The OP never questioned how secure the FPS is to gain access to the device...only how secure the data is that is being collected by the FPS systems
    03-16-2019 02:58 PM
  19. Almeuit's Avatar
    My concern, albeit overreacting and potentially unfounded, is that print scans can be hacked and spoofed by identity thieves from using it. I just want to make sure that it's not backed up to the cloud later to be hacked in a massive data breach.
    Normally with all these phones the biometrics stay on the phone on a separate chip that's encrypted and usually the OS itself can't even go in it. It can only ask yes or no questions and provide the data.. then the chip checks and hands back a yay or nay.
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    03-16-2019 03:30 PM
  20. Notefan161's Avatar
    Very from the sounds
    03-16-2019 03:36 PM
  21. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Normally with all these phones the biometrics stay on the phone on a separate chip that's encrypted and usually the OS itself can't even go in it. It can only ask yes or no questions and provide the data.. then the chip checks and hands back a yay or nay.
    Interesting... Didn't realize a separate chip might be involved.
    03-16-2019 04:18 PM
  22. Almeuit's Avatar
    Interesting... Didn't realize a separate chip might be involved.
    Yep. IIRC they all have one. Apple calls it their secure enclave. Others have their names but are their own fortress basically where nothing can get in it.. can only ask the security guard if the presented information matches for a yes or no on allowing it.
    03-16-2019 04:19 PM
  23. mustang7757's Avatar
    It's so secure that you can't even log into your own phone with it.
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    03-16-2019 05:35 PM
  24. jcp007's Avatar
    Yep. IIRC they all have one. Apple calls it their secure enclave. Others have their names but are their own fortress basically where nothing can get in it.. can only ask the security guard if the presented information matches for a yes or no on allowing it.
    Just playing devil's advocate here. Samsung manufactured the device. Would they not have the means to access the scans?
    03-16-2019 05:53 PM
  25. Almeuit's Avatar
    Just playing devil's advocate here. Samsung manufactured the device. Would they not have the means to access the scans?
    Nope. It never leaves the device. It stay on the phone on that chip. That is why when you restore a phone you can't just "restore" your fingerprints you had setup before since it doesn't carry over like that.
    03-16-2019 05:55 PM
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