03-20-2019 02:01 PM
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  1. Mike Dee's Avatar
    I disagree:

    In-screen fingerprint sensors are bad and need to go away
    https://www.androidcentral.com/in-sc...t-sensors-suck
    GrumpyMomofMacR likes this.
    03-18-2019 02:16 PM
  2. SpookDroid's Avatar
    They just need to improve. Like all tech.
    03-18-2019 02:22 PM
  3. felloffthetruck's Avatar
    But can they be improved through software alone?
    03-18-2019 02:24 PM
  4. Snareman's Avatar
    If they can be made to work via software or otherwise I'll take it, but otherwise give me the one on the back of the phone back that worked first time all the time.
    tadpoles likes this.
    03-18-2019 02:41 PM
  5. Mike Dee's Avatar
    But can they be improved through software alone?
    If you are talking about something existing like the S10 that might be a limitation. If we discuss the tech itself that would include hardware as well.
    03-18-2019 02:43 PM
  6. tadpoles's Avatar
    Can't help but agree with the article. It's a solution without a problem. It's slower than what came before. Its... unnecessary. At least it's functional now but certainly not a better experience to me than the s9+/Note 9 fps.
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    03-18-2019 03:03 PM
  7. Sapient's Avatar
    There are advantages and disadvantages to the various approaches used for security. But in-screen FPS's have enormous potential for growth. In particular, a large portion of the screen could be active as an FPS. It would be a mistake to abandon this tech.

    To be clear, I've had some major problems with the FPS in the S10+. It is working reasonably well for me right now, but I know this may be temporary. Still, to argue that we shouldn't pursue this anymore seems silly.
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    03-18-2019 03:20 PM
  8. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Can't help but agree with the article. It's a solution without a problem. It's slower than what came before. Its... unnecessary. At least it's functional now but certainly not a better experience to me than the s9+/Note 9 fps.
    Some valid points.

    The only "problem" it solves if we can call it a problem is for those that wanted a Front Sensor without bezel. I never had an issue with rear sensors but I always hear complaints from those that want to open their phone without picking up their phone.
    Realistically all you need is a pattern or pin unlock or secure face recognition to accomplish that task.

    I guess consumers do like the cool factor and gimmicks do sell phones regardless of value added. I didn't buy it for the FPS so I have no regrets and it works good enough for me so it's a keeper.
    03-18-2019 03:23 PM
  9. bhatech's Avatar
    At the current state that aren't better than the awesome capacitive fingerprint sensors we had, obviously it's first gen and they will get better.

    I don't think they should go away but they should work on improving them which obviously they will.

    It's just unfortunate we are at that crossroads again where it'll take a couple of generations before they are on par in terms of speed, accuracy and ease of use.
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    03-18-2019 03:27 PM
  10. Mike Dee's Avatar
    There are advantages and disadvantages to the various approaches used for security. But in-screen FPS's have enormous potential for growth. In particular, a large portion of the screen could be active as an FPS. It would be a mistake to abandon this tech.

    To be clear, I've had some major problems with the FPS in the S10+. It is working reasonably well for me right now, but I know this may be temporary. Still, to argue that we shouldn't pursue this anymore seems silly.
    Agreed....I'll add that having a major player like Samsung take the plunge can only encourage the competition to join in and improve the tech.
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    03-18-2019 03:27 PM
  11. tadpoles's Avatar
    I didn't buy it for the FPS so I have no regrets and it works good enough for me so it's a keeper.
    This.
    03-18-2019 03:28 PM
  12. Ninjarette's Avatar
    I never wanted an in screen, ultrasonic FPS. Yes, the tech is great, but the likelihood of some kind of software/hardware/user malfunction is greater too. In my opinion, at the current stage of development, it's a step down from what I had.
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    03-18-2019 03:29 PM
  13. Mike Dee's Avatar
    At the current state that aren't better than the awesome capacitive fingerprint sensors we had, obviously it's first gen and they will get better.

    I don't think they should go away but they should work on improving them which obviously they will.

    It's just unfortunate we are at that crossroads again where it'll take a couple of generations before they are on par in terms of speed, accuracy and ease of use.
    The biggest drawback for me is not its speed or accuracy. It might come under easy of use because it's virtually impossible to open it without looking it.
    03-18-2019 03:34 PM
  14. bhatech's Avatar
    The biggest drawback for me is not its speed or accuracy. It might come under easy of use because it's virtually impossible to open it without looking it.
    Yes overall combination is what I meant. Just using the fingerprint sensor without thinking too much. At the current state it's not at that point.
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    03-18-2019 03:36 PM
  15. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Yes overall combination is what I meant. Just using the fingerprint sensor without thinking too much. At the current state it's not at that point.
    Short of making a large sensor that takes input from a larger area I don't see it happening
    03-18-2019 04:18 PM
  16. Snareman's Avatar
    Some valid points.

    The only "problem" it solves if we can call it a problem is for those that wanted a Front Sensor without bezel. I never had an issue with rear sensors but I always hear complaints from those that want to open their phone without picking up their phone.
    Realistically all you need is a pattern or pin unlock or secure face recognition to accomplish that task.

    I guess consumers do like the cool factor and gimmicks do sell phones regardless of value added. I didn't buy it for the FPS so I have no regrets and it works good enough for me so it's a keeper.
    I would like the "it works" factor if it actually did for me.
    03-18-2019 05:19 PM
  17. Johnston212's Avatar
    I disagree with the extent of his vehemence.

    I agree that it is not an improvement.
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    03-18-2019 05:30 PM
  18. Johnston212's Avatar
    Some valid points.

    The only "problem" it solves if we can call it a problem is for those that wanted a Front Sensor without bezel. I never had an issue with rear sensors but I always hear complaints from those that want to open their phone without picking up their phone.
    Realistically all you need is a pattern or pin unlock or secure face recognition to accomplish that task.

    I guess consumers do like the cool factor and gimmicks do sell phones regardless of value added. I didn't buy it for the FPS so I have no regrets and it works good enough for me so it's a keeper.
    I have always had better experiences with rear sensors. Front has usually made it difficult to use my phone with one hand without discomfort.
    03-18-2019 05:35 PM
  19. Mike Dee's Avatar
    I have always had better experiences with rear sensors. Front has usually made it difficult to use my phone with one hand without discomfort.
    Everyone has their own version of personal preferences.
    03-18-2019 06:01 PM
  20. Johnston212's Avatar
    Everyone has their own version of personal preferences.
    Quite. Maybe they should offer both.
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    03-18-2019 06:03 PM
  21. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Quite. Maybe they should offer both.
    That was mentioned in the "Fingerprint Scanner Not Working Well" thread.

    I'm not sure what that would add to cost or complications. Certainly a good idea.
    03-18-2019 06:09 PM
  22. Johnston212's Avatar
    That was mentioned in the "Fingerprint Scanner Not Working Well" thread.

    I'm not sure what that would add to cost or complications. Certainly a good idea.
    Oh, ok. They could probably kill off the charging gimmick on the back and save some money.

    I would be able to unlock my phone and not have to twist my thumb around uncomfortably to reach the fps
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    03-18-2019 06:15 PM
  23. Lfsnz67's Avatar
    For mine, the fingerprint scanner has been so unreliable as to be basically useless. For those who don't have any issues I'm happy for you but the fact is not all of us have a working scanner.
    My S10 is an amazing phone but for this. I am regretting not ordering the S10e...
    03-18-2019 06:18 PM
  24. Mike Dee's Avatar
    For mine, the fingerprint scanner has been so unreliable as to be basically useless. For those who don't have any issues I'm happy for you but the fact is not all of us have a working scanner.
    My S10 is an amazing phone but for this. I am regretting not ordering the S10e...
    Did you check the "Fingerprint Scanner Not Working Well" thread?
    03-18-2019 06:22 PM
  25. Lfsnz67's Avatar
    Did you check the "Fingerprint Scanner Not Working Well" thread?
    Yes I did. It worked slightly better for a day then back to being slow, then just unreliable. I've just deleted my fingerprints and rescanned for the umpteenth time.
    I'm sure Samsung will keep updating to improve, but I still prefer a traditional rear fingerprint scanner
    03-18-2019 06:27 PM
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