11-01-2020 10:08 PM
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  1. gebco's Avatar
    I'm looking at an S20 or an S20FE to replace my Pixel 2XL. I was looking at the Pixel 5 but the lackluster speakers are turning me away.
    I'm not a gamer so I really don't care about processor and things like that, but what I really care about is camera, including low light, and the overall UI. For example I can screen calls on my Pixel but I don't think that's a thing on Samsung. I can grab text from a photo with the Pixel camera which has actually been useful a couple of times. On the other hand I think the Samsung has an HDMI out that the Pixel doesn't.
    So, if I go to Samsung, what do I gain, what do I lose?
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    10-26-2020 11:54 PM
  2. VidJunky's Avatar
    Well you loose the frequent updates that Pixel gets, although I'm not sure the Pixel 2 is seeing as many updates these days, but if you went back that would be one trade off.

    I can tell you the S20 takes great night shots. I was pleasantly surprised how mine turned out. The Pixel 3 and 4 both have a strong rep on here for taking good photos though. Again not so sure about the 2. If this is really important I'd probably go check out some video reviews of the camera. There's no shortage.

    The S20 will do the text grab thing too.

    My S20 has some of the best speakers I can remember. I'd say they're better than the duel speakers I had on any of my HTCs which had been known for their speakers. My 20 is even better than my S10.

    Obviously it will be bigger. Not sure if that is a plus or minus. I thought my S10 was big and the S20 is only a fraction larger so I didn't expect much difference but I can really feel the difference when it's in my pocket.

    The screen has a nice display but I can't compare it to a Pixel since I've never owned one. Samsung is known for having some of the best displays on the market although if we're talking the FE, it's not the best. As in, it isn't the highest resolution best display, not, it's not good "not the best". Again this would be one of those areas where I would look for video reviews.

    Samsung uses One UI and the Pixel is pretty stock Android from what I've heard. It's definitely a learning curve if you've never had a Samsung before. Again not sure if that would be plus or minus just something to think about.
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    10-27-2020 01:11 AM
  3. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    It is possible to use other launchers and apps on Samsung devices to tweak the settings if you aren't crazy about One UI. For example, I sometimes use Nova Launcher Prime, which I've used on: Moto, LG, Nexus and Samsung devices. There is also an app Hex Installer which allows one to customise One UI to look and feel very much like Pixel.
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    10-27-2020 02:33 AM
  4. J Dubbs's Avatar
    I'm looking at an S20 or an S20FE to replace my Pixel 2XL. I was looking at the Pixel 5 but the lackluster speakers are turning me away.
    I'm not a gamer so I really don't care about processor and things like that, but what I really care about is camera, including low light, and the overall UI. For example I can screen calls on my Pixel but I don't think that's a thing on Samsung. I can grab text from a photo with the Pixel camera which has actually been useful a couple of times. On the other hand I think the Samsung has an HDMI out that the Pixel doesn't.
    So, if I go to Samsung, what do I gain, what do I lose?
    Great question thanks for asking... I'm also considering a move from pixel to Samsung, so reading these responses with interest
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    10-27-2020 04:00 AM
  5. Peter Scooze's Avatar
    I'm looking at an S20 or an S20FE to replace my Pixel 2XL. I was looking at the Pixel 5 but the lackluster speakers are turning me away.
    I'm not a gamer so I really don't care about processor and things like that, but what I really care about is camera, including low light, and the overall UI. For example I can screen calls on my Pixel but I don't think that's a thing on Samsung. I can grab text from a photo with the Pixel camera which has actually been useful a couple of times. On the other hand I think the Samsung has an HDMI out that the Pixel doesn't.
    So, if I go to Samsung, what do I gain, what do I lose?
    i came from pixel 2xl and 4 xl. if camera is what you care about then stay with pixel. i love my sammy and wont go back but i will say pixel cameras are better and more consistent. they're better in low light and woth moving objects.
    gebco likes this.
    10-27-2020 08:36 AM
  6. gebco's Avatar
    Thanks. The camera on my P2 is essentially the same sensor as the P3 and P4 and pretty much the same software.

    I do appreciate the monthly updates on Pixel, but my understanding is that Samsung is stepping up their game in that regard?

    Well you loose the frequent updates that Pixel gets, although I'm not sure the Pixel 2 is seeing as many updates these days, but if you went back that would be one trade off.

    I can tell you the S20 takes great night shots. I was pleasantly surprised how mine turned out. The Pixel 3 and 4 both have a strong rep on here for taking good photos though. Again not so sure about the 2. If this is really important I'd probably go check out some video reviews of the camera. There's no shortage.

    The S20 will do the text grab thing too.

    My S20 has some of the best speakers I can remember. I'd say they're better than the duel speakers I had on any of my HTCs which had been known for their speakers. My 20 is even better than my S10.

    Obviously it will be bigger. Not sure if that is a plus or minus. I thought my S10 was big and the S20 is only a fraction larger so I didn't expect much difference but I can really feel the difference when it's in my pocket.

    The screen has a nice display but I can't compare it to a Pixel since I've never owned one. Samsung is known for having some of the best displays on the market although if we're talking the FE, it's not the best. As in, it isn't the highest resolution best display, not, it's not good "not the best". Again this would be one of those areas where I would look for video reviews.

    Samsung uses One UI and the Pixel is pretty stock Android from what I've heard. It's definitely a learning curve if you've never had a Samsung before. Again not sure if that would be plus or minus just something to think about.
    10-27-2020 11:37 AM
  7. mwb1957's Avatar
    I currently have the Pixel 2 XL, for close to 3 years now.
    Great phone. No issues.
    Currently trying to decide between the Pixel 5 and the S20 FE. Had a Note 3 before the Pixel 2XL. Not a big Samsung fan.
    Fell in love with Google software, timely updates, and vanilla Android experience. Not in love with the Pixel 5 specs.
    I guess I could go with the S20 FE and change the launcher.
    Not motivated by either phone.
    Any suggestions.
    The 2XL cannot go on forever.
    10-27-2020 02:46 PM
  8. gebco's Avatar
    I'm in exactly the same situation. I'd keep my Pixel 2XL for another year if it weren't for the end of the security updates. I'm also considering the Pixel 4a 5G.

    Like you, nothing in a relatively reasonable price range is inspiring me, which is not good considering I'd keep the phone for 2 to 3 years.

    I currently have the Pixel 2 XL, for close to 3 years now.
    Great phone. No issues.
    Currently trying to decide between the Pixel 5 and the S20 FE. Had a Note 3 before the Pixel 2XL. Not a big Samsung fan.
    Fell in love with Google software, timely updates, and vanilla Android experience. Not in love with the Pixel 5 specs.
    I guess I could go with the S20 FE and change the launcher.
    Not motivated be either phone.
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    10-27-2020 03:34 PM
  9. mwb1957's Avatar
    I'm in exactly the same situation. I'd keep my Pixel 2XL for another year if it weren't for the end of the security updates. I'm also considering the Pixel 4a 5G.

    Like you, nothing in a relatively reasonable price range is inspiring me, which is not good considering I'd keep the phone for 2 to 3 years.
    I knew I was not alone.
    Only met 3 people that had this phone.
    10-27-2020 04:18 PM
  10. gebco's Avatar
    Haha! It seems I've always bought for my needs, even if it doesn't follow the crowd. I used BlackBerry to almost the bitter end end. I still love my Pentax DSLR.

    I knew I was not alone.
    Only met 3 people that had this phone.
    10-27-2020 04:29 PM
  11. KPMcClave's Avatar
    I knew I was not alone.
    Only met 3 people that had this phone.
    I had a Pixel 2 XL that I upgraded to a 3 XL after 14 months or so (I wanted to root it and had the Verizon 2 XL...an unlocked 3 XL).

    I upgraded the 3XL after 18 months to the S20 FE.

    Some stream of consciousness thoughts.

    You should get better battery life from the FE.

    As you know I'm sure, you won't get the latest OS updates as quickly. Samsung has improved the security updates significantly, and probably the OS updates too, but you still have to wait longer than on your Pixel.

    The Samsungs are more customizable. As others have mentioned One UI and things like #hex and Goodlock give you options we didn't have on Pixels. That appeals to me because I like my phone more blacked out (as opposed to dark theme) than the Pixel allows. Still, the systemwide dark theme plus the force override dark setting in developer options was nice combo on the Pixel.

    You'll have extra stuff in your way when you first switch phones. For all the Google apps you likely use now (Calendar, Gmail, Contacts, Messages) there is also a Samsung app. You can uninstall, disable or use an app like Package Disabler Pro to freeze those, though. or you could use them instead of the Google versions if you prefer. This is probably the biggest pain for me. Actually switching data to the new S20 FE and then having to wrangle everything into the way I like it.

    As for the cameras, I use my DSLR when I want to take "serious" photos, so my phone cameras is not my primary choice. I still want it to take good photos when I use it, though. I think it does that.

    Having used the 2 XL and 3 XL for a total of 3 years, I can tell you that I'm happy with the S20 FE. I've had it for almost 4 weeks and have no real complaints at all. Even with something like OS updates, the versions of Android nowadays are so incremental in their changes that not having Android 11 yet doesn't even bother me (and I already had it in beta and stable release with the Pixel for a few months)
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    10-27-2020 06:35 PM
  12. VidJunky's Avatar
    ...I do appreciate the monthly updates on Pixel, but my understanding is that Samsung is stepping up their game in that regard?
    Well Samsung has put out approximately monthly updates for the two Samsung devices I've had. They missed a month maybe two with when I had the S10. I haven't really had the S20 long enough to say how they're doing on that front yet but so far... In the meantime I was kind of referring to the bigger updates. Like OS and Google features. Pixels seem to get those as soon as Google releases them, where the rest of us are at the mercy of manufacturers and carriers mostly. I mean how long has Android 11 been out, and the Pixel 3 and 4 have it while the rest of us can't expect to see anything until early next year, maybe, and probably after A12 is released. Although Samsung seems to be headed towards 3 OS upgrades on their top of the line devices. I've heard the S10 will get 3 and I would imagine the S20 and the Note lines will see the same. I just wanted to say that I wasn't referring to updates in general but the big ones.
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    10-27-2020 08:21 PM
  13. eshropshire's Avatar
    Thanks. The camera on my P2 is essentially the same sensor as the P3 and P4 and pretty much the same software.

    I do appreciate the monthly updates on Pixel, but my understanding is that Samsung is stepping up their game in that regard?
    Samsung provides 3 years of monthly security updates, they might come out a week or two after the Pixel update, but is that really a big deal for a monthly update? Also Samsung provides a 4th year of quarterly security updates.
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    10-27-2020 08:37 PM
  14. L0n3N1nja's Avatar
    The camera and a lack of Miracast support are 2 reasons I wouldn't leave Samsung for a Pixel if that helps.
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    10-27-2020 09:36 PM
  15. Morty2264's Avatar
    As far as what you would lose, going from Pixel to Samsung, I too would second the notion of regular, timely software updates every month. Samsung has improved greatly in this regard but Pixel still sees prompter updates.

    As far as what you would gain, Samsung's UI is so beneficial and I can't get enough of it. Coming to an S10 from a Pixel 2, I wasn't sure how I'd feel about the UI but man, it's top notch.

    If you are not concerned about camera performance (because though Samsung takes great photos, I still think Pixel takes better ones), I'd definitely recommend giving Samsung a go.
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    10-27-2020 09:55 PM
  16. gebco's Avatar
    What is it about the Samsung camera you prefer?

    The camera and a lack of Miracast support are 2 reasons I wouldn't leave Samsung for a Pixel if that helps.
    10-27-2020 10:58 PM
  17. gebco's Avatar
    Everything I'm reading says Samsung has stepped up their security updates. As for camera, the reviews I'm watching show that the cameras are pretty close. The gap is no longer as wide.

    What is it about the Samsung UI that you prefer?

    As far as what you would lose, going from Pixel to Samsung, I too would second the notion of regular, timely software updates every month. Samsung has improved greatly in this regard but Pixel still sees prompter updates.

    As far as what you would gain, Samsung's UI is so beneficial and I can't get enough of it. Coming to an S10 from a Pixel 2, I wasn't sure how I'd feel about the UI but man, it's top notch.

    If you are not concerned about camera performance (because though Samsung takes great photos, I still think Pixel takes better ones), I'd definitely recommend giving Samsung a go.
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    10-27-2020 11:00 PM
  18. Morty2264's Avatar
    Everything I'm reading says Samsung has stepped up their security updates. As for camera, the reviews I'm watching show that the cameras are pretty close. The gap is no longer as wide.

    What is it about the Samsung UI that you prefer?
    It is true that the gap in camera performance has gotten smaller. My S10 often takes beautiful shots. I just felt that my Pixel 2 was often more reliable, especially under point-and-shoot conditions.

    Samsung's UI was definitely a surprise! I'm really enjoying the little touches they've added to the experience: Edge panel, Edge lighting, Samsung's native apps that I will actually use over Google's native ones (I was surprised too), like Clock, Calendar, Email, etc.

    I actually also prefer Samsung's Messages app over Google's. I tried downloading Google's too because I was missing it, but it just ate up too much battery and I found that Samsung's app had more customization options.

    Also, I'm loving affiliated apps like Good Lock. That was a huge game changer for me, since I'm someone who loves to customize my phone experience with new themes but not go *too far* to download launchers and change the UI.

    I think when it comes down to it, I am a huge fan of both Samsung and Pixel. I like both UI's and I think if I use one, I'd miss the other.
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    10-28-2020 08:14 AM
  19. sulla1965's Avatar
    All phones have their own pros and cons. Not everyone wants the same from their devices.In the end you really can't go wrong with any of the well known devices. Oneplus, samsung, google, Lg, Apple, etc.
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    10-28-2020 12:41 PM
  20. flumdog's Avatar
    I just moved from a Pixel 3 to the S20fe and am very happy. I'm still getting used to the larger size but I think it's worth it, especially since it allows the larger battery (which, so far, is outstanding, as is the screen). I actually use it as more of a phone than a camera or game console so connectivity and audio quality are important and the Samsung is definitely an upgrade. I found a really cool feature that lets you tune the audio based on a hearing test it gives you.

    It took a lot longer to get it set up than the Pixel and I'm still tweaking various options, mostly turning stuff off, and I spent a couple bucks on debloater software. I experienced some of the screen sensitivity problem at first but it's running fine after they pushed out an OTA (including October security update) and I did a factory reset. I wanted to a reset anyway once I figured out the settings...just wanted a clean slate once I had made a practice run. Anyway, I'm glad I did. Stock launcher is fine for me but I defaulted to Google for the keyboard and message app.
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    10-28-2020 01:04 PM
  21. Jeremy8000's Avatar
    Switched about a month ago from the 3 XL to the S20 FE.

    Display: The 3 XL was way too dim to use in direct sunlight. The S20 FE is more than fine. I'm sure the Pixel 5 will fall somewhere in between, the question being is it useable. S20 FE has 120Hz display vs Pixel 5 90Hz. I can clearly see the difference in smoothness while scrolling, but that depends on your visual acuity as to how much you will notice it. It's really just an aesthetic thing - if the phone didn't have ample battery life, I'd probably just disable it to eek out the extra hour I found it to provide (based on my use) between my testing it on/off. S20FE display is a bit larger than what you had, whereas the Pixel 5's is a bit more compact. Larger screen is better, but all other things being the same I'd take the slightly smaller screen to gain a much smaller and easier to pocket/1-hand body.

    Battery: The 3 XL battery gave me 5-6h SOT when I got it. 20 months later it was down to 2h (much worse wear over time than the 2 XL had experienced). S20 FE is giving me 8-9h. You know best what you need, and your numbers will vary. I'm delighted with the S20 FE, but have no doubt the Pixel 5 would be ample, at least at first. Either should be a big boost vs your 2 XL. The S20FE is a bit larger battery than the 5, but also runs a less efficient CPU/Modem pairing, larger/higher refresh display.

    Camera: Love the flexibility of multiple cameras on the S20 FE, but compared to the 3 XL, unless I'm using the telephoto beyond 2x or using the wide angle, it doesn't produce as reliably a great picture as the 2-year old Pixel. Still does a great job, but with my preferring the reliably great-every-time output of the 3 XL for what would constitute 95% of the shots I take, I'd have to give a strong nod to the Pixel 5 outside of lengthier zooms.

    Software: We like what we're used to, so it would be unfair for me to point out things I don't like about Samsung's UI much like it would for someone coming from Samsung to do the same regarding Pixel. I ended up 'Pixel-ifying' mine to a pretty substantial degree with launchers, etc.

    Biometrics: Nice 'quality of life' upgrade from your 2 XL, in that for many apps you can use it instead of having to recall and enter a (hopefully) unique and complex password for access. Pixel 5 has the old faithful, supremely reliable rear FPS. Coming from the 2 XL this would be new, but having made that transition when I went from the 2 XL to the 3 XL, I can tell you it was completely effortless. The position of the sensor is such that your fingertip naturally rests on it every time you pull the phone from a pocket (or, I suspect, a purse) and the phone is unlocked before you are even looking at it. Assuming the 5 hasn't regressed, it supports learning up to 10 fingerprints, so you have ample room to accommodate all of your digits (unless you're of the rare 6-fingered hand persuasion), or an ample assortment of yours and someone else with whom you'd entrust full access. The S20 FE was a big letdown in this regard - its in-display fingerprint only allows up to 3 fingerprints to be stored, and, 30 days in, still requires very conscious placement of the finger to authorize - and even then only works about 90% of the time (which in itself doesn't seem bad until compared to the 3 XL, which I barely remember ever failing, and never required me to think about using). The FPS is probably my single biggest annoyance on the S20 FE.

    I will say there is one very functional difference that may be critical to some and has impacted me: Samsung does NOT support multiple user profiles, so you cannot have separate 'logins' with sets of apps for use under personal, work, children's, guest profiles, etc.


    TLDR, I really am enjoying the S20 FE for its superbright display and insane battery life, great construction and value of parts. I think it's a very, very good phone, and would probably encourage anyone who is used to Samsung phones to go with it over the Pixel 5. But as a long-time Pixel user, if I could switch now for the same price from the S20 FE to the Pixel 5, I'd do. The 5 doesn't have the better parts list nearly across the board that the S20 FE boasts (other than the 5 having 1/3 more RAM and Gorilla Glass a few generations newer), but the Google's history of integrating its software so fluidly with the hardware lets it consistently get so much more in total than one would likely infer from the sum of its parts. Of course, take my preference with a couple of caveats - we each value different things in a phone. My preference is a phone that does everything I want it to do with minimal effort and does it well - and for the duration needed. Pixels have a history of delivering that extremely well for me with the ones I've bought (yeah, I skipped the 4th iteration).
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    10-28-2020 01:07 PM
  22. paradroid's Avatar
    Same situation as you. I have my Pixel 2xl and it does everything need to do and battery seems to last as long as the day I got it. I'd get the the Pixel 5, but it seems to be not much better than my Pixel 2. I think I will go another year and get the Pixel 6 unless it is a total flop then I'll go with the latest and greatest Samsung or maybe try out an iPhone since everyone I know has one and I get left out on their proprietary messaging and airdrops.
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    10-28-2020 04:20 PM
  23. Gdraft#WN's Avatar
    The wife's 3xl was having some display coloration issues, so we decided to try a samsung 20FE.

    while she has somewhat reluctanly decided to keep it. I would have sent it back by day 2

    the slab itself looks nice, but the UI is total $hit. coming from a Pixel, nothing in the samsung UI is intuitive.

    for me, I would not take a samsung phone if it was free. After seeing how android is supposed to be... I don't have time to go to YouTube every time I want to do a simple function.

    If you get one, you do get a few weeks to decide if you want to keep it... but for me 2 days was more than enough
    10-28-2020 06:44 PM
  24. gebco's Avatar
    In the back of my mind I'm thinking of keeping the Pixel for another year as well. But one of the reasons I got the phone was for the security updates. Maybe Android 11 on its own is sufficiently secure?

    Same situation as you. I have my
    Pixel 2xl and it does everything need to do and battery seems to last as long as the day I got it. I'd get the the Pixel 5, but it seems to be not much better than my Pixel 2. I think I will go another year and get the Pixel 6 unless it is a total flop then I'll go with the latest and greatest Samsung or maybe try out an iPhone since everyone I know has one and I get left out on their proprietary messaging and airdrops.
    10-28-2020 09:10 PM
  25. Morty2264's Avatar
    All phones have their own pros and cons. Not everyone wants the same from their devices.In the end you really can't go wrong with any of the well known devices. Oneplus, samsung, google, Lg, Apple, etc.
    I couldn't agree with you more. We are all different and have different, unique needs when it comes to purchasing a new phone.
    sulla1965 likes this.
    10-29-2020 08:13 AM
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