1. Catman51's Avatar
    01-18-2021 12:12 PM
  2. nick021513's Avatar
    So if someone is dumb enough, or in such a hurry that they don't pay attention, and jab the tool in the speaker instead of sim tray it's a flaw that is Samsung's fault?

    The ejection hole is very clearly located on the sim tray.
    pags11, jamezr and dmateo like this.
    01-18-2021 01:07 PM
  3. Gary02468's Avatar
    One little flaw
    I wouldn't necessarily call it a design flaw. There've always been some people who accidentally poked into an audio hole in these phones. The mic's new proximity to the sim tray might make the confusion slightly more likely, or might actually reduce the confusion, since now it's impossible to look at the mic hole without also seeing the sim-tray hole right next to it. Either way, it's still helpful to warn everyone, so thanks for posting!
    pags11 and Catman720 like this.
    01-18-2021 01:14 PM
  4. pags11's Avatar
    I wouldn't necessarily call it a design flaw. There've always been some people who accidentally poked into an audio hole in these phones. The mic's new proximity to the sim tray might make the confusion slightly more likely, or might actually reduce the confusion, since now it's impossible to look at the mic hole without also seeing the sim-tray hole right next to it. Either way, it's still helpful to warn everyone, so thanks for posting!
    Agreed on it being good to be warned. Especially since we all get so pumped, and sometimes in a hurry, when our phones first arrive!
    Catman720 likes this.
    01-18-2021 01:31 PM
  5. bill-e's Avatar
    I'd call it a flaw, There are all kinds of users and having a design that enables an error is a bad design. Not every user is as smart or observant as you are!
    Catman720 and Gayle Lynn like this.
    01-18-2021 03:08 PM
  6. ThrottleJohnny's Avatar
    Hey it's the job of bloggers to point out things like this so I appreciate it.

    I'd much rather this than ranting about plastic backs.
    Catman720 likes this.
    01-18-2021 03:30 PM
  7. jamezr's Avatar
    Yeah...I guess some people walk out in front of traffic everyday...even though it was clearly marked not walk....
    Point is you cannot ***** proof everything. There has to be some expectation of reasonable use here as well.

    I don't think this a design flaw at all.
    01-18-2021 03:56 PM
  8. dalydose's Avatar
    Yeah...I guess some people walk out in front of traffic everyday...even though it was clearly marked not walk....
    Point is you cannot ***** proof everything. There has to be some expectation of reasonable use here as well.

    I don't think this a design flaw at all.
    I think the scenario you describe is different because "it was clearly marked not (Don't) walk"
    01-18-2021 05:43 PM
  9. Dualmonitors's Avatar
    they should have made the microphone/speaker hole smaller than the SIM tray removal hole,
    so when one inserts the larger pointy removal tool into the SIM tray removal hole, it would fit and function as designed,
    but if one were to insert it into the mic/speaker hole, it wouldn't even go in.
    J Dubbs and Gayle Lynn like this.
    01-18-2021 06:16 PM
  10. jamezr's Avatar
    I disagree.....what would a reasonable person do? If you are not careful...you could walk into traffic or drive off a cliff....or drive into oncoming traffic.
    I mean at what point are people responsible for their own actions? People are still going to do dumb things no matter what the product type or how well it is designed.
    01-18-2021 07:31 PM
  11. X1tymez's Avatar
    Opps wrong hole

    Thanks for letting us know.
    jamezr and J Dubbs like this.
    01-18-2021 08:10 PM
  12. jamezr's Avatar
    From the same Samobile article readers quotes
    Furthermore, the channel that carries sound from the hole on the phone’s frame into the microphone module on the board is often L-shaped, so even if you stick an eject tool into the mic hole, it won’t even get close to the microphone electronics anyway.

    So just no, you cannot damage that microphone and it is not necessarily a design mistake.
    https://www.sammobile.com/opinion/ga...ceholderAnchor
    buzzy3970 likes this.
    01-18-2021 08:24 PM
  13. buzzy3970's Avatar
    Wouldn't be a Samsung release if there wasn't at least one article trying to find fault in the phones design. If that's the only complaint externally than that's a good thing.
    01-18-2021 08:28 PM
  14. kjjb0204's Avatar
    Not a flaw. How does anyone look at that mic hole and not see the sim card tray cutout right next to it?
    jamezr likes this.
    01-18-2021 09:26 PM
  15. Dualmonitors's Avatar
    From the same Samobile article readers quotes


    https://www.sammobile.com/opinion/ga...ceholderAnchor
    "Furthermore, the channel that carries sound from the hole on the phone’s frame into the microphone module on the board is often L-shaped, so even if you stick an eject tool into the mic hole, it won’t even get close to the microphone electronics anyway.

    So just no, you cannot damage that microphone and it is not necessarily a design mistake."

    So some guy said it's "often L-shaped". well, may i ask if there's a way for us to know if in this specific case, it is indeed L-shaped or not?

    since we don't know who said it's L-shaped, we don't know if he's knowledgeable or not, right?
    01-18-2021 10:16 PM
  16. jamezr's Avatar
    "Furthermore, the channel that carries sound from the hole on the phone’s frame into the microphone module on the board is often L-shaped, so even if you stick an eject tool into the mic hole, it won’t even get close to the microphone electronics anyway.

    So just no, you cannot damage that microphone and it is not necessarily a design mistake."

    So some guy said it's "often L-shaped". well, may i ask if there's a way for us to know if in this specific case, it is indeed L-shaped or not?

    since we don't know who said it's L-shaped, we don't know if he's knowledgeable or not, right?
    You ask for verification versus anything that is written here?

    Then there is a link to the original post on Sammobile. You can always ask....
    01-18-2021 10:31 PM
  17. Dualmonitors's Avatar
    You ask for verification versus anything that is written here?

    Then there is a link to the original post on Sammobile. You can always ask....

    i'm just worried about my costly new phone. that's all.
    jamezr likes this.
    01-18-2021 10:49 PM
  18. jamezr's Avatar
    If you look at the reeder comments in the thread on SamMobile they all debunk this as well.
    Some have accidentally done this and it did not harm the mic....

    https://www.sammobile.com/opinion/ga...ceholderAnchor
    Gayle Lynn likes this.
    01-18-2021 11:00 PM
  19. Dualmonitors's Avatar
    If you look at the reeder comments in the thread on SamMobile they all debunk this as well.
    Some have accidentally done this and it did not harm the mic....

    https://www.sammobile.com/opinion/ga...ceholderAnchor
    "Yep, looks line that was confirmed by that guy who destroys phones for attention and a lot of money on that one streaming service.I couldn’t find anything from Samsung but it makes sense."

    Wish i knew which guy confirmed it, i.e. his username, and which site he meant by "that one streaming service".
    01-18-2021 11:58 PM
  20. nick021513's Avatar
    "Yep, looks line that was confirmed by that guy who destroys phones for attention and a lot of money on that one streaming service.I couldn’t find anything from Samsung but it makes sense."

    Wish i knew which guy confirmed it, i.e. his username, and which site he meant by "that one streaming service".
    I assume they mean Jerryrigeverything on YouTube
    jamezr likes this.
    01-19-2021 12:00 AM
  21. mustang7757's Avatar
    On the note 10+ it was on top the mic and sim tray and you had to be careful , so same thing with s21 Careful with the SIM on the 21-screenshot_20210119-000836_chrome.jpg
    01-19-2021 12:12 AM
  22. jamezr's Avatar
    Here is something from ifixit.com that supports most likely no damage will result from accidentally putting the sim ejector into the microphone hole

    https://www.ifixit.com/News/32804/wh...sim-eject-tool

    Furthermore, the channel that carries sound from the hole on the phone’s frame into the microphone module on the board is often L-shaped, so even if you stick an eject tool into the mic hole, it won’t even get close to the microphone electronics anyway.
    Here is another one

    https://www.smartprix.com/bytes/does...ce-or-the-mic/

    “The answer is No. Pretty much every phone is built the same way. Microphone hole fits the ejector tool purely by coincidence. But the white impermeable layer (on microphone hardware) is to the side of the shaft and not directly in the end. No matter how deep you go, the tool won’t puncture any of the water resistance or poke the microphone hardware,” he said.
    01-19-2021 07:48 AM

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