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  1. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    Longtime Blackberry user here and as of 2 weeks ago an ex-user. BBs are good devices for corporate email, and a decent enough phone. That's simply not enough in today's market. All software companies are making mobile versions of their apps on Android and iOS, and not BB. As a result corporate America has also made the switch to Android and iOS. Very few force employees to get a Blackberry anymore.

    Most consumers shopping for phones today are not even considering BB, so as their phones die, and contracts expire RIM will be left behind. Their days are numbered, maybe not this year or next year, but soon. They're never going to be a competitor to other smartphone companies.
    Yep, not like they sold 10 million devices in Q1 and 11 million devices in Q2 2012, more than HTC, Motorola or Windows phone.

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    07-25-2012 01:29 AM
  2. jcp007's Avatar
    At the end of the day, it will be the global marketplace that will ultimately decide things. Repeating the company's talking points incessantly doesn't mean it will come true. If the new BB10 devices live up to the hype, then RIM will have made the first critical step to regaining marketshare and attracting owners enough to take another look. Let's get back on the original topic of this thread.




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    07-25-2012 06:27 AM
  3. Splange's Avatar
    Please watch Crackberry Kevin's interview of Thorstien Heins, they will discuss the carrier input.

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    I've read the article on crackberry about the interview highlights, and it's obvious that the carrier input was not the primary reason. Thorstien repeatedly says that they were having problems integrating the various components and that he did not feel comfortable releasing the product at its current stage. This also fits with what he said at the AGM, and when he first announced the delay. If RIM had a finished product they would have released on time.
    07-25-2012 07:56 AM
  4. ibcop's Avatar
    I don't use a blackberry. I use an HTC One X. Kevin's interview with the RIM CEO on Crackberry goes into detail about carrier input. They didn't mandate it, they reccommended it.

    My brother works for Lockheed Martin, and they for 1 have a 4 year contract with RIM, renewed last year. That how government agencies work.

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    But you said many companies have contracts already for BB10.. Which companies? Signing a 4 year deal last year doesn't mean they have contracted for BB10 devices - no one probably even knew about BB10 when the current contract was signed and they were tooting their horn about OS7. And you said the carriers were the one telling RIM not to launch but now they "recommended"?
    07-25-2012 08:05 AM
  5. BEARD GANG's Avatar
    Os7 shouldnt have happened... should of been working on bb10 back then...

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    07-25-2012 08:30 AM
  6. ibcop's Avatar
    Os7 shouldnt have happened... should of been working on bb10 back then...

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    You are so right....
    07-25-2012 08:43 AM
  7. Invader3K's Avatar
    IIRC, OS7 was originally supposed to be 6.2 or something, and they just renamed it OS7 to make it seem like it was newer for marketing purposes.

    Anyway, I sure don't miss that spinning clock of doom that kept coming up on my Torch when I was doing a highly memory intensive task like typing a text message or checking Twitter.
    07-25-2012 09:20 AM
  8. Syrous44's Avatar
    IIRC, OS7 was originally supposed to be 6.2 or something, and they just renamed it OS7 to make it seem like it was newer for marketing purposes.

    Anyway, I sure don't miss that spinning clock of doom that kept coming up on my Torch when I was doing a highly memory intensive task like typing a text message or checking Twitter.
    Exactly. But some how BBs get sh*t done faster and iphones and androids are just toys for kids. But yet RIM is loosing customers daily. They lost me over a month ago. Now they lost my wife to iphone last week. She was one of the biggest BB supporters I knew, she would give crackberry Kevin a run for his money. But after she saw how more productive I was on my gnex she quickly became disillusioned with her BB and went iphone with her upgrade. She couldn't be happier. But you know the spinning clock and lag and freezing is where its at apparently makes a phone the best thing since sliced bread. Love how all the BB users are still drinking RIMs koolaid. Must be some f#cking great sh#t. Here's hoping RIM comes back to the game but from what i have seen of BB10 its just catch up time nothing revolutionary, hoping I am wrong.

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    07-25-2012 09:32 AM
  9. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    I personally believe that if BlackBerry 10 has a good display\viewing of HTML type emails, they could be onto something. I've always hated how BlackBerry dealt with HTML emails...

    I guess time will tell, well, January 2013 at least
    07-25-2012 12:10 PM
  10. OniBerry's Avatar
    I can wait. Sides, I am having way too much fin with my SG3
    07-25-2012 12:16 PM
  11. Tomab's Avatar
    Yep, not like they sold 10 million devices in Q1 and 11 million devices in Q2 2012, more than HTC, Motorola or Windows phone.
    Worldwide market share for 2012 Q1:
    Android 56.1% (same time last year 36.4%)
    iOS 22.9% (last year 16.9%)
    Symbian 8.6% (last year 27.7%)
    BlackBerry 6.9% (last year 13.0%)
    Bada 2.7% (last year 1.9%)
    Windows 1.9% (last year 2.6%)
    Other .9% (last year 1.9%)
    source: Gartner

    BB lost $518 million in Q1. RIM laid off 6000 employees - I'm sure the remaining employees look around their offices and are shopping their resumes around. Products are delayed. Customers are moving away from BB - not to them. Developers have already dropped BB and moved on to other platforms. Very sad.
    07-25-2012 12:45 PM
  12. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    But you said many companies have contracts already for BB10.. Which companies? Signing a 4 year deal last year doesn't mean they have contracted for BB10 devices - no one probably even knew about BB10 when the current contract was signed and they were tooting their horn about OS7. And you said the carriers were the one telling RIM not to launch but now they "recommended"?
    They told RIM it was a bad idea. The 4 year deal means that they will buy only from RIM. They're not going to use the Blackberrys they have for another 3 years. My bro's gotten each new berry within a month or two of it coming out.

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    07-25-2012 02:01 PM
  13. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    Exactly. But some how BBs get sh*t done faster and iphones and androids are just toys for kids. But yet RIM is loosing customers daily. They lost me over a month ago. Now they lost my wife to iphone last week. She was one of the biggest BB supporters I knew, she would give crackberry Kevin a run for his money. But after she saw how more productive I was on my gnex she quickly became disillusioned with her BB and went iphone with her upgrade. She couldn't be happier. But you know the spinning clock and lag and freezing is where its at apparently makes a phone the best thing since sliced bread. Love how all the BB users are still drinking RIMs koolaid. Must be some f#cking great sh#t. Here's hoping RIM comes back to the game but from what i have seen of BB10 its just catch up time nothing revolutionary, hoping I am wrong.

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    Well, Blackberry's are better than any other phone at 3 things. Typing speeds, email and corporate communications with BIS and security. It sucks at anything else. That's why people look at it as a business tool.

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    07-25-2012 02:06 PM
  14. Syrous44's Avatar
    We bought two of them off EBay (Thanks, Mr. Anonymous!) and I had to drive two hours both ways to get them at 1am. Fun times.

    It was a good thing we did it that way, though, because we don't live in a 3G area and they wouldn't have been sold at local stores.
    In my personal experience it has one advantage. That is security. With swift key 3 or dictation, I type alot faster then on any BB I had and I was blazing fast on those. Email is the same as on any BB I had. So please stop stating the same argument over and over again I keep hearing from BB users. I was like you once with my blinders on till I tried something different and I came to realize how truly antiquated and pathetic BBs are compared to ios and android. Other then security and better battery life, BB are lacking and behind or at par with every other task or functionality. That's why its failing in the consumer market and strong in enterprise. However, as long as the boyd phase continues in the business world RIM will to start hemorrhaging users. For example all of GE/meba appliance division which has over 20 000 employees using company phones world wide are going to iphone come new contract in January. I know this because my mother in law works their. And guess what many more companies going to eventually follow suit. People are sick and tired of caring multiple devices to their work place or place of business. That's why companies are starting to allow boyd on mass as each year goes by. RIM has to focus on consumers if it wants to survive, enterprise wont keep them afloat forever. So no more talk of enterprise and lets get back on original topic.

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    07-25-2012 03:31 PM
  15. ibcop's Avatar
    Well, Blackberry's are better than any other phone at 3 things. Typing speeds, email and corporate communications with BIS and security. It sucks at anything else. That's why people look at it as a business tool.

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    Corporate communication with BIS? I don't think so -that would be BES on the corporate level. BIS tends to be for the consumer level.

    And typing speeds? I doubt that would be a justification - I'm sure people can type just as fast with another device. Email on a BB was awesome, but other platforms have come leaps and bounds and you can get email almost as fast as a BB. Does it really matter to get an email 20 seconds faster on a BB? Then wait for the spinning clock to disappear?
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    07-25-2012 04:55 PM
  16. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    In my personal experience it has one advantage. That is security. With swift key 3 or dictation, I type alot faster then on any BB I had and I was blazing fast on those. Email is the same as on any BB I had. So please stop stating the same argument over and over again I keep hearing from BB users. I was like you once with my blinders on till I tried something different and I came to realize how truly antiquated and pathetic BBs are compared to ios and android. Other then security and better battery life, BB are lacking and behind or at par with every other task or functionality. That's why its failing in the consumer market and strong in enterprise. However, as long as the boyd phase continues in the business world RIM will to start hemorrhaging users. For example all of GE/meba appliance division which has over 20 000 employees using company phones world wide are going to iphone come new contract in January. I know this because my mother in law works their. And guess what many more companies going to eventually follow suit. People are sick and tired of caring multiple devices to their work place or place of business. That's why companies are starting to allow boyd on mass as each year goes by. RIM has to focus on consumers if it wants to survive, enterprise wont keep them afloat forever. So no more talk of enterprise and lets get back on original topic.

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    Really? Your email, SMS messages , instant messages and every other form of text based communications are all unified into a single inbox, huh? With a different colored flashing led to immediately alert you which platform the message has come from as well too? And I've used swift key and several others and have never gotten close to the speed I got on my berry.

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    07-25-2012 05:40 PM
  17. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    Corporate communication with BIS? I don't think so -that would be BES on the corporate level. BIS tends to be for the consumer level.

    And typing speeds? I doubt that would be a justification - I'm sure people can type just as fast with another device. Email on a BB was awesome, but other platforms have come leaps and bounds and you can get email almost as fast as a BB. Does it really matter to get an email 20 seconds faster on a BB? Then wait for the spinning clock to disappear?
    In the world of fast paced business? Yes, speed is everything. The fact is, if you don't want your employees using the phones you provide for entertainment, web browsing and games, the blackberry is the most efficient and secure communication device available.

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    07-25-2012 05:43 PM
  18. Syrous44's Avatar
    Really? Your email, SMS messages , instant messages and every other form of text based communications are all unified into a single inbox, huh? With a different colored flashing led to immediately alert you which platform the message has come from as well too? And I've used swift key and several others and have never gotten close to the speed I got on my berry.

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    Some might like that I never used my unified inbox. Also have liteflow so I do get led notification on my nexus. Just because you cant type fast on glass dosnt mean others cant. By the sounds of it your slow at typing with anything you use. If BB was such a great business tool corporations would not be dropping them that's all we are saying. But your one of those BB fans that will believe RIM will come back after its bought out broken to pieces or bankrupt and out of business. Just because some of us left a crappy old platform and started a forum post explaining why we left. Why do you have to come on here and try to convince us to come back or how big of a mistake we made. Do you feel you need to advertise for RIM. I guess you do since they have no clue how to market let alone bring products out on time that are fully functioning. So please leave us be to enjoy our new phones and you enjoy your BB. You will not convince us to come back.

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    07-25-2012 05:59 PM
  19. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    Some might like that I never used my unified inbox. Also have liteflow so I do get led notification on my nexus. Just because you cant type fast on glass dosnt mean others cant. By the sounds of it your slow at typing with anything you use. If BB was such a great business tool corporations would not be dropping them that's all we are saying. But your one of those BB fans that will believe RIM will come back after its bought out broken to pieces or bankrupt and out of business. Just because some of us left a crappy old platform and started a forum post explaining why we left. Why do you have to come on here and try to convince us to come back or how big of a mistake we made. Do you feel you need to advertise for RIM. I guess you do since they have no clue how to market let alone bring products out on time that are fully functioning. So please leave us be to enjoy our new phones and you enjoy your BB. You will not convince us to come back.

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    If you have never used unified inbox, I don't think you're really in any place to comment about Blackberry's effectiveness as a business tool. I'm not coming here to tell you what a mistake you made. I DON'T USE blackberry anymore, I have a One X and and S3. What I have a problem with is people putting out false information, and giving a bad rap to an OS that hasn't even come out yet, especially when they don't have any kind of grasp of the software architecture that it runs on. It also bothers me to see people saying a company is dead or dying simply because they don't use it's products anymore. And for your information I got over 70 wpm with my Blackberry, something I challenge you to do with a touchscreen, and please feel free to record a video of it so I can see.

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    07-25-2012 06:33 PM
  20. Syrous44's Avatar
    If you have never used unified inbox, I don't think you're really in any place to comment about Blackberry's effectiveness as a business tool. I'm not coming here to tell you what a mistake you made. I DON'T USE blackberry anymore, I have a One X and and S3. What I have a problem with is people putting out false information, and giving a bad rap to an OS that hasn't even come out yet, especially when they don't have any kind of grasp of the software architecture that it runs on. It also bothers me to see people saying a company is dead or dying simply because they don't use it's products anymore. And for your information I got over 70 wpm with my Blackberry, something I challenge you to do with a touchscreen, and please feel free to record a video of it so I can see.

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    Good for you. So please tell us why you left BB yourself as you keep talking about them like you made a mistake leaving or something. We are not saying Rim is dead or bashing BB10. We left BB6 and BB7 devices as of now BB10 does not exist apart from keyboard everything else is a demo app showing sliding between apps. As of now BB10 is nothing but vaporware. When it will come out and I test it then I will make full judgment. However I can say BB7 and BB6 are laggy choppy and vastly outdated to competition. That is why I left and got tired of all the broken promises from RIM. However, I do hope they prove me wrong but track record not great now is it.

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    07-25-2012 06:47 PM
  21. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    I've got a headache

    Just kidding, but it is amusing to read these posts. I have to say, Crackberrytraitor is making some rather valuable points. Just my opinion of course.
    07-25-2012 06:49 PM
  22. Syrous44's Avatar
    I've got a headache

    Just kidding, but it is amusing to read these posts. I have to say, Crackberrytraitor is making some rather valuable points. Just my opinion of course.
    Glad I amuse you lol

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    07-25-2012 07:14 PM
  23. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    ...LOL - all in jest.

    Glad I amuse you lol

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    07-25-2012 07:59 PM
  24. randall2580's Avatar
    They're still the #1 phone in the UK (most owned smartphone) and have 70+ million users worldwide and elsewhere it's still the phone of choice for many professionals. According to their stats they still have more than 90 percent of their corporate business, and you can bet your *** all of them will upgrade their employees to BB10.

    The media may publish a bunch of nasty articles about RIM, but they still have 4 billion in the bank and a huge user base. They,ll dominate corporate without even having to try, and if the first BB10 devices get a good critique from reviewers, I'm willing to bet you all the Blackberry users who've migrated to other platforms will at the least seriously consider going back. I mean it runs android apps for hecks sake. RIM may take a while to get anywhere near Apple or Google in consumer market share (at least in America) but you better believe that they aren't going anywhere.

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    70 Million phones are what Apple and Android sold in the last quarter - that number is small in comparison and more importantly - their growth is a fraction of the growth of the other 2 systems and MS is about to make a major assault in the last Quarter of 2012 - and will have a full 3 month head start on BB.

    Business is a waning strength for BB and more and more companies go to BYOD.

    They have 2 billion dollars in the bank not 4, are about to lay off 5000 people and bear the associated costs of laying that size of staff off. They additionally now have to build out and sell and market the new phones, and bear at least 2 more quarters of losses most likely. RIM has severe challenges ahead of them for certain. Their dominance of business is coming under fire more and more all the time and that won't abate just because they update their OS I am sure Apple and Google and the billions they have at their disposal won't sit quietly by and all that to happen and MS feel they are ready with WP to go after business as well.

    I believe they will survive - I have my doubts about BB 10 being the game changer you feel it will be because I have yet to see anything from BB 10 I go wow about. I have owned very major BB release since the 7520 and am the very disappointed owner of a PB 64 GB which I would trade for a Asus Transformer in a heart beat.

    I also want to see how BB is going to compete again iOS, Android and MS in the ecosystem. iOS has Itunes and like it or not its an industry leading provider of multi-media. Google Play is getting better all the time, and MS is about to take their system up a notch and bring XBox like media connection to the WP8. I don't know how BB competes with this, their media support is wonky at best.

    And BTW Email on Android is every bit as good as it was on BB perhaps better now. ActiveSync works with my company's Exchange servers at least as well as the BB did.

    Ok off the soap box now.
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    07-25-2012 08:30 PM
  25. ibcop's Avatar
    If you have never used unified inbox, I don't think you're really in any place to comment about Blackberry's effectiveness as a business tool. I'm not coming here to tell you what a mistake you made. I DON'T USE blackberry anymore, I have a One X and and S3. What I have a problem with is people putting out false information, and giving a bad rap to an OS that hasn't even come out yet, especially when they don't have any kind of grasp of the software architecture that it runs on. It also bothers me to see people saying a company is dead or dying simply because they don't use it's products anymore. And for your information I got over 70 wpm with my Blackberry, something I challenge you to do with a touchscreen, and please feel free to record a video of it so I can see.

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    I'm throwing the bs flag on 70wpm on your BlackBerry. Video proof? And it better not be slang or two or three letter words.
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    07-25-2012 08:32 PM
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