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  1. ibcop's Avatar
    Your article from 2010, and was about a consideration. And it didn't happen. the only thing the Army allows is for soldiers to bring their own iPhones for basic use. Nice try, though. Neither of the links you posted says otherwise. The Army is still issuing Blackberries.

    You're really trying to hard, man. First you were wrong about the DoD, and now you just keep going. You're on a roll.

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    Well, high speed, low drag....let me give you a current article. I guess I was wrong about the DOD and the Army, eh? Yes, the BB is still in use - my point has always been the Iphone (and Android) is allowed on DoD severs and can be used.

    http://www.newsmakertoday.com/u-s-fe...vice/3585.html

    And for the Navy:

    Navy To Allow Use Of iPhones, iPads, Androids - Government - Mobile & Wireless - Informationweek

    The NOAA:

    US government dumps BlackBerry in favor of iPhone, iPad for NOAA

    Coast Guard:

    Coast Guard Approves iPhone, Android Use - Government - Mobile & Wireless - Informationweek

    And for some more reading:

    Bye Bye BlackBerry. How Long Will Apple Last? - Forbes

    Federal Agencies Embrace iPhones, iPads - Government - Mobile & Wireless - Informationweek


    Now hopefully you have pulled your head out and wiped your eyes.....this is all I'm going to say.
    07-30-2012 07:13 AM
  2. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    It would be interesting if you actually read the articles that you post, rather than just posting a load of links, as you'll find they prove my point.

    Like this for example, from probably the most pertinent of all of them.

    GSA, which manages $ 500 billion of government assets, including telecommunications, information technology, and housing, as well as smartphones and tablet test is used on network security personnel they use.

    Coleman said the BlackBerry smartphone remains the most widely used in the GSA, with the Apple device and other devices with Google Android OS to take the role of 5 percent of all the agencies.

    The new device is to complement and not replace, he said, and GSA has no plans to leave the RIM servers, which manage traffic safely BlackBerry communications.
    So Android and iPhone make up less than 5% of all phones used the U.S. government, and they in NO WAY plan to replace Blackberry.

    Or how about this from another one of your links?

    What does this mean for RIM's BlackBerry, which is widely used by the feds? It's too early to say that Apple's gain in government will translate into RIM's pain. A spokesperson said the company has millions of subscribers in federal government and that that number, contrary to some reports, is still growing.
    Or this?

    "What you're seeing isn't iPhones replacing BlackBerries and RIM devices, but government agencies are looking to provide more choices because of their concerns about attracting and retaining talent," said Forrester Research analyst T.J. Keitt. "There is a belief that if [federal managers] allow for some device flexibility, it will make the workplace more attractive."
    From reading those articles, it's pretty clear the government isn't ditching RIM at all. As I said, you're trying to hard. A couple of those articles didn't even have anything to do with the government at all, rather they were just opinion pieces on RIM. The more you post, the more epic your fail seems to become.
    07-30-2012 08:44 AM
  3. Splange's Avatar
    It would be interesting if you actually read the articles that you post, rather than just posting a load of links, as you'll find they prove my point.

    Like this for example, from probably the most pertinent of all of them.



    So Android and iPhone take up less than 5% or all phones in the U.S. government, and they in NO WAY plan to replace Blackberry.

    Or how about this from another one of your links?



    Or this?



    As I said, you're trying to hard. The more you post, the more epic your fail seems to become.
    But the point is that all these devices (iphones and android) are cleared for use. So they are allowed in high security occupations.

    It's no surprise that big institutions that are heavily invested in RIM's network are not the quickest defectors. If BB10 tanks and RIM gets sold, separated or scaled down these institutions will probably be the last to abandon them.

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    07-30-2012 08:51 AM
  4. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    But the point is that all these devices (iphones and android) are cleared for use. So they are allowed in high security occupations.

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    They're not allowed at all for high security applications.

    The Department of the Navy (DON) will approve the use of iPhones, iPads, Android-based mobile devices and BlackBerry-based tablets on the unclassified networks of the Navy and Marine Corps, although once it does, most commercial features of the devices are likely to be disabled, Hernon said.
    And the DoD

    Everything but inbox services must be disabled. All use must be done through a DoD proxy server and classified information cannot be sent, received or accessed by the phones.
    In the rare case anything but a Blackberry is used by a government agency, everything but it's email is disabled and it is NEVER allowed for use with anything that is high security.
    07-30-2012 09:03 AM
  5. ibcop's Avatar
    ..........
    07-30-2012 07:32 PM
  6. ibcop's Avatar
    But the point is that all these devices (iphones and android) are cleared for use. So they are allowed in high security occupations.

    It's no surprise that big institutions that are heavily invested in RIM's network are not the quickest defectors. If BB10 tanks and RIM gets sold, separated or scaled down these institutions will probably be the last to abandon them.

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    Exactly my point - but someone here doesn't get this.
    07-30-2012 07:40 PM
  7. jcp007's Avatar
    Do you really think you're EVER going to get classified information over a telephone/email? Not a freaking chance in hell.
    No disrespect. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result. You are never going to enlighten your nemesis nor change his mind. The other users who post on AC have already moved on and are not going to provide more fuel to the fire. Your nemesis refuses to embrace the same reality and reason that you and the rest of the planet's inhabitants do.
    07-30-2012 07:41 PM
  8. ibcop's Avatar
    No disrespect. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result. You are never going to enlighten your nemesis nor change his mind. The other users who post on AC have already moved on and are not going to provide more fuel to the fire. Your nemesis refuses to embrace the same reality and reason that you and the rest of the planet's inhabitants do.
    10-4.....
    07-30-2012 08:42 PM
  9. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    No disrespect. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result. You are never going to enlighten your nemesis nor change his mind. The other users who post on AC have already moved on and are not going to provide more fuel to the fire. Your nemesis refuses to embrace the same reality and reason that you and the rest of the planet's inhabitants do.
    Oh, you

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    07-30-2012 09:19 PM
  10. crackberrytraitor's Avatar


    Tell me that's not friggen awesome. I would really really like something like that on an android device. I really hope BB10 is loaded with stuff like that.

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    08-14-2012 01:32 PM
  11. Splange's Avatar


    Tell me that's not friggen awesome. I would really really like something like that on an android device. I really hope BB10 is loaded with stuff like that.

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    It's nice obviously, and so is some of the other stuff they've been showing off. But I just don't think they'll deliver. RIM likes to talk about what they have planned more than they like actually doing it.

    If BB10 actually makes it to market rather than being delayed into oblivion, I bet that camera feature will be missing or barely functional. RIM will make a statement that they didn't want to release it without it being 100% ready and that it's coming soon. And once you hear that word 'soon' you might as well give up on ever seeing it.

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    08-14-2012 02:00 PM
  12. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    It's nice obviously, and so is some of the other stuff they've been showing off. But I just don't think they'll deliver. RIM likes to talk about what they have planned more than they like actually doing it.

    If BB10 actually makes it to market rather than being delayed into oblivion, I bet that camera feature will be missing or barely functional. RIM will make a statement that they didn't want to release it without it being 100% ready and that it's coming soon. And once you hear that word 'soon' you might as well give up on ever seeing it.

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    I dunno man. Rim only pushed pushed back the official release date of BB10 once and it's only a 3 month delay. According to RIM, all the stuff was being developed by separate isolated groups of devs, so when they put everything together, it was somewhat buggy. They claim that they have a finished product and could have released it on schedule, but that they want to take an extra 3 months to make it perfect and bug free. They think that if they release anything that's less than perfect, the critics will attack them and it'll be over for them. Honestly I agree.

    And somehow I doubt they will discard the camera feature as they just unveiled it and had it working smoothly on actual hardware. No reason to ditch it.

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    08-14-2012 03:03 PM
  13. jcp007's Avatar
    When you wish upon a star, it makes no difference who you are, dreams do sometimes come true. March is so far away and if events on Dec 21st occur as legend foretells, it won't matter. I would not be surprised to see the BB10 release slip into April or May. RIM has to get this right with BB10.
    08-14-2012 07:14 PM
  14. westex#WP's Avatar
    And somehow I doubt they will discard the camera feature as they just unveiled it and had it working smoothly on actual hardware. No reason to ditch it.

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    The camera app will ship with BB10....and Nokia Windows Phones, too. Nokia bought the company that owned the tech. So it will not be exclusive to BlackBerry.
    08-14-2012 07:52 PM
  15. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    The camera app will ship with BB10....and Nokia Windows Phones, too. Nokia bought the company that owned the tech. So it will not be exclusive to BlackBerry.
    Link? According to RIM it's a Blackberry exclusive that they developed themselves.

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    08-14-2012 11:40 PM
  16. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    http://crackberry.com/rim-preparing-...eview-carriers

    This came out today. No way BB10 is vaporware. They're sending devices out to the carriers to play with, who have voiced their support and apparently RIM's employees are now using BB10 phones as daily drivers.

    March is so far away. I would not be surprised to see the BB10 release slip into April or May. RIM has to get this right with BB10.
    You mean January. It was pushed back from October 3 months to January. It was pushed back to ensure everything is perfect. They can't afford for it not to be.

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    08-15-2012 12:39 AM
  17. Splange's Avatar
    http://crackberry.com/rim-preparing-...eview-carriers

    This came out today. No way BB10 is vaporware. They're sending devices out to the carriers to play with, who have voiced their support and apparently RIM's employees are now using BB10 phones as daily drivers.



    You mean January. It was pushed back from October 3 months to January. It was pushed back to ensure everything is perfect. They can't afford for it not to be.

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    The devices they are sending to the carriers and that they're using are beta devices rather than finished products. We don't know whether all features have been added to them already. Still, this is good news and I agree that it indicates that BB10 is not simply vaporware, but will come out eventually. It still doesn't preclude the possibility of further delays though.

    And they never said January, only quarter one 2013. Which means it could be as late as March. Heins hinted at January in one interview, but corrected himself in a statement after.

    I'm probably just being overly pessimistic, but given their track record more delays are not out of the question. I didn't even believe the news when I heard they were pushing it back to 2013 - i thought there was no way they would do that. I've learned not to overestimate RIM's competence.

    This is their second delay (first time was from early 2012 to late 2012) of an OS that should have been out years ago to be competitive.

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    08-15-2012 08:13 AM
  18. Splange's Avatar
    Link? According to RIM it's a Blackberry exclusive that they developed themselves.

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    http://crackberry.com/nokia-announce...-functionality

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    08-15-2012 08:15 AM
  19. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    The devices they are sending to the carriers and that they're using are beta devices rather than finished products. We don't know whether all features have been added to them already. Still, this is good news and I agree that it indicates that BB10 is not simply vaporware, but will come out eventually. It still doesn't preclude the possibility of further delays though.

    And they never said January, only quarter one 2013. Which means it could be as late as March. Heins hinted at January in one interview, but corrected himself in a statement after.

    I'm probably just being overly pessimistic, but given their track record more delays are not out of the question. I didn't even believe the news when I heard they were pushing it back to 2013 - i thought there was no way they would do that. I've learned not to overestimate RIM's competence.

    This is their second delay (first time was from early 2012 to late 2012) of an OS that should have been out years ago to be competitive.

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    When BB10 was unveiled they announced it for release in October the same day, so I think you may be mistaken, there's only been one delay of an official release date. In his recent interview with Crackberry Kevin, he said a January release, hopefully this hold true. If it came out "years ago" it would have been the most amazing device on the planet. QNX is amazingly powerful, whether or not it's a success is debatable, but what's not is that it stomps iOS and Android in raw power and potential of kernels. It can run Android apps inside itself for hecks sake.

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    08-15-2012 02:37 PM
  20. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    http://crackberry.com/nokia-announce...-functionality

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    Thanks, Splange. Great news for Nokia lovers, that time warp camera is driven awesome.

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    08-15-2012 02:39 PM
  21. Splange's Avatar
    When BB10 was unveiled they announced it for release in October the same day, so I think you may be mistaken, there's only been one delay of an official release date. In his recent interview with Crackberry Kevin, he said a January release, hopefully this hold true. If it came out "years ago" it would have been the most amazing device on the planet. QNX is amazingly powerful, whether or not it's a success is debatable, but what's not is that it stomps iOS and Android in raw power and potential of kernels. It can run Android apps inside itself for hecks sake.

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    I think you might be mixing up the first demo and the dev alpha release with the OS announcement which occurred a bit earlier - in 2011 actually.

    Rough timeline: RIM announces bb10, RIM releases bb7 promises bb10 devices in first half of 2012, RIM delays devices to late 2012 (they never specifically said October, but many were guessing that'd be a likely time), RIM delays bb10 to early 2013.

    Qnx is good, but consumers who care about running android apps will buy an android phone rather than mess around with sideloading barely functional versions of them onto their phone. I'm sure that if Google and the oems cared about running blackberry apps on their devices they could make it happen, but there are almost no blackberry exclusive apps worth getting.

    Also I think RIM removed the sideload feature from the playbook due to piracy issues, so it's not really a selling point anymore.

    http://www.androidauthority.com/play...feature-73757/

    http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4350...ixed-bag<br />
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    08-17-2012 08:03 AM
  22. crackberrytraitor's Avatar
    I think you might be mixing up the first demo and the dev alpha release with the OS announcement which occurred a bit earlier - in 2011 actually.

    Rough timeline: RIM announces bb10, RIM releases bb7 promises bb10 devices in first half of 2012, RIM delays devices to late 2012 (they never specifically said October, but many were guessing that'd be a likely time), RIM delays bb10 to early 2013.

    Qnx is good, but consumers who care about running android apps will buy an android phone rather than mess around with sideloading barely functional versions of them onto their phone. I'm sure that if Google and the oems cared about running blackberry apps on their devices they could make it happen, but there are almost no blackberry exclusive apps worth getting.

    Also I think RIM removed the sideload feature from the playbook due to piracy issues, so it's not really a selling point anymore.

    http://www.androidauthority.com/play...feature-73757/

    http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4350...ixed-bag<br />
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    They actually only suggested that "It's likely we'll launch BB10 in the first half of next year" they didn't actually announce a firm release date. Don't even get me started on how often their "predictions" were delayed. But only one official release date was pushed back.

    And the App player is being updated as we speak to work with Google play and have deeper os integration, which Google will be happy to allow since it make them more money. I'll certainly ditch my Android phones in a second if BB 10 has better features and can use all my favorite apps.

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    08-17-2012 03:25 PM
  23. zeteo's Avatar
    I gave up on BB when they foisted the Storm on me with no way out and no properly functioning phone no matter how many of them VZ gave me. The day I got rid of the BB and bought a used Droid 2 to finish my contract was one of the best days of my business life. I wish them well and I hope they make a comeback, but I can't see myself ever going back.
    Thats my story with BB as well. The first storm put a taste in my mouth which is still there both against BB and VZW.
    08-17-2012 11:02 PM
  24. xKrNMBoYx's Avatar
    I'm still a CrackBerry and a user of Blackberry products due to my playbook. But I like Samsung products and my upgrade was over the summer. I doubt I will buy a BB10 phone before my two year contract ends. But if BB10 is good for my playbook then there is no reason not to get a BB10 phone when they are released.
    08-18-2012 02:06 AM
  25. jcp007's Avatar
    If I defend Blackberry you have a problem with it. If I don't you have a problem with it. Quit acting like such a Negative Nancy. I will modify my post the moment a mod tells me it was out of bounds. But unless you've ever used a BB storm, I don't think you can understand how much fail it was or comment on the validity of my hyperbole. Failed coat hanger abortion was the least inappropriate way I could think of describing the thing.

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    First, your defense of Blackberry has everything to do with the fact that their future is uncertain and that their market share has declined precipitously. This is an opinion shared by many other like me who are realistic.Therefore, no need for name calling. As someone who has owned a RIM device as my primary driver, I sincerely hope that the BB10 is a success.

    The use of hyperbole to make a point is fine as long as you don't exceed the bounds of decency. Most mature people capable of reasonable judgement would have thought a little longer to describe the Storm as a horrific attempt as a product offering that was dead on arrival.
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    08-18-2012 06:58 PM
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