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  1. broadwayblues's Avatar
    I never did anything with this video that I shot at CTIA, but if you are worried about the S4 chip, I wouldn't be. The detail and frame rates on this demo were really impressive.
    [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7fgI2ZA6yI[/YT]
    A video of a video never really comes out good, but in person it was really impressive.
    06-01-2012 09:59 AM
  2. HTCinPhilly's Avatar
    The S3 performs much better under ICS. All the benchmarks see noteable gains when compared to GB.
    06-01-2012 10:45 AM
  3. MannyZ28's Avatar
    would someone show me where Samsung announced that sprints version would be an S4 krait processor - and not the 5250L? would love to see this, really.

    and please don't take this as me being a smart *** or bashing, I'd really like to see where Samsung said its Sprint version (which always got the better S, SII versions of the Galaxy) stated the Sprint version, whether its 16 or 32GB versions, was getting the Krait(S4) processor.

    I was still under the impression that we had to wait to June 20th to see the specs...which might include 2GB RAM as well......
    personally id like to see 5250-L(te) as sprints processor. but...I have a suspicion that this isn't the only android phone we will see from Samsung...this year, if its a Krait
    While this is not an official announcement from Sprint, this is as close as it gets to confirming that the Sprint version is not getting the 5250 but the S4 instead:

    Samsung SPH-L710 aka Sprint

    Yes, Sprint usually has the best version of a phone, I think the Evo 4G LTE is a better version of the One X due to its added features which were popular with consumers. The kickstand was much loved from the Evo 4G and the added microSD card slot was something everyone thought the One X was sorely missing. Also, the Sprint version of the GS2 was the only one that had the more popular Exynos processor AND the bigger 4.5" screen, all this of course was due to Sprint using WiMax for it's 4G and not LTE. The E4GT also was the only version of the GS2 that had a notification LED, all this made it the best version. However, we live in a different world now. WiMax on Sprint is going bye bye, LTE is the way to go and because of this, the Sprint version will have the S4. There is just no way the Sprint version of the GS3 will have the 5250, guess we will save that for the GS4.
    06-01-2012 11:58 AM
  4. albie1937's Avatar
    It's all politics. Qualcomm controls the market here in the United States. If the Tegra 3 and next gen Exynos is made to work proficiently on LTE, Qualcomm is thru.
    06-01-2012 12:34 PM
  5. ballistic90's Avatar
    It's all politics. Qualcomm controls the market here in the United States. If the Tegra 3 and next gen Exynos is made to work proficiently on LTE, Qualcomm is thru.
    You mean even though the benchmarks show the S4 processor beating the Exynos and being on par with the Tegra 3 on nearly all counts?
    06-01-2012 04:30 PM
  6. LazrRocketArm's Avatar
    You mean even though the benchmarks show the S4 processor beating the Exynos and being on par with the Tegra 3 on nearly all counts?
    I would be happy with the S4 version, but I don't think it "beats" the quad exynos. Many of the benchmarks(real world is key) favor the exynos. A couple may favor the S4, but those were Qualcomm based tests.

    I would accept "on par".
    Maybe I am being picky, sorry.

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    06-01-2012 04:39 PM
  7. mwandroboy's Avatar
    I don't know much about all technical and hardware-related things, but I think the quad-core is simply faster than dual core.
    06-01-2012 06:19 PM
  8. LazrRocketArm's Avatar
    I don't know much about all technical and hardware-related things, but I think the quad-core is simply faster than dual core.
    Be careful about making assumptions. So much more goes into this than just number of cores.
    Think of car motors.
    Look at the power differences in motors with different number of cylinders. There are some 6 cylinder engines more powerful than some v8s.
    A 1989 5.0 (a v8) mustang had 225 hp and the current Mustang v6 has 305 hp.

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    06-01-2012 07:31 PM
  9. fitzdafifth's Avatar
    I don't know much about all technical and hardware-related things, but I think the quad-core is simply faster than dual core.
    Well dual-core and quad-core each have their own advantages at this point in mobile technology.

    First of all the dual-core Snapdragon S4 is a 1.5GHz processor while the quad-core Exynos is a 1.4GHz processor. So technically the dual-core can reach faster overall speeds. But quad-core does have the advantage in dealing with multitasking and will be beneficial for programs/apps made to deal with this aspect.

    Check out a discussion of quad versus dual here: Quad Core vs Dual Core

    Sources:
    Quad-core Galaxy S III opened up by iFixIt and Chipworks (update: camera sensor by Sony) | The Verge
    Samsung Galaxy S III with 2GB of RAM, Snapdragon S4 processor set for Canadian release on June 20th | The Verge
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    06-01-2012 09:24 PM
  10. s14tat's Avatar
    You mean even though the benchmarks show the S4 processor beating the Exynos and being on par with the Tegra 3 on nearly all counts?
    Beating the Exynos while being on par with the tegra 3? I think you got it backwards. Its beating the Tegra 3 and while being on par with "some" of the test against the exynos.
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    06-01-2012 11:36 PM
  11. s14tat's Avatar
    The S3 performs much better under ICS. All the benchmarks see noteable gains when compared to GB.
    Every phone runs better on ICS due to hardware acceleration ( well except for the lesser single core phones like the droid X or the og snap dragon powered phones ) but my single core hummingbird got a fresh shot of redbull when i flashed ICS on it. Benchmarks went up on the exynos phones as well on ICS by another 25% so the *** kicking it gave to the S3 chip is just as bad when both are running the same version of android.
    06-01-2012 11:39 PM
  12. jroc's Avatar
    I don't know much about all technical and hardware-related things, but I think the quad-core is simply faster than dual core.
    I agree with the posts that say dont assume more cores means faster or better.

    Even in the PC world....when quad core first came out...it wasnt so clear cut to just upgrade and automatically be faster, better than dual core. I havent got on the quad core bandwagon on PC's yet...I may see myself doing the same thing on phones. Battery life will be the deciding factor. That and/or heat output.

    I also got on the dual core bandwagon on PC's late...2008... and still there.
    06-02-2012 02:44 AM
  13. Yahma's Avatar
    Its hard for us to forget the S3. Oh, the HTC Sensation, such a beautiful phone, but the Qualcomm S3, even running at 1.5Ghz is slower than my Tegra 2 at 1.0Ghz.

    Now, it appears that the S4 is an improvement over the S3; however, it certainly doesn't trounce the Exynos. It may match it on some benchmarks, but you have to remember, most of the benchmark numbers we are seeing are from single-threaded benchmarks, it is very likely the Quad-Core Exynos is being hindered by the very benchmarks being used to compare these two processors.

    In real-life, the Quad-core Exynos will likely be faster. Furthermore, it will most definitely be faster on multi-threaded applications. Not to mention, that early reports are that the graphics in the S4 are not up to par with what even the Tegra can muster.
    06-02-2012 03:31 AM
  14. jamisont's Avatar
    Technically speaking, the Exynos is more old tech. It's basically last years components doubled up with the same GPU as last year running at a higher speed, all built on a smaller, more efficient process. The S4 uses the more modern A15 based instruction set compared to the A9 in the Exynos, and is build using the even more efficient 28 nm process. The GPU is what's holding it back a bit being still largely based on the old Adreno 220 but ramped up quite a bit with huge gains in speed thanks to the much improved memory throughput.

    What everyone REALLY wanted was either the Exynos 5250 dual core (also based on A15 with the newer Mali 604 gpu, compared to the Mali 400) or the S4 Pro which incorporates the new Adreno 320. Seems like both of these SoCs aren't in the cards for any devices until Christmas rolls around or maybe even into next year.

    Going back down to earth, my GS2 runs everything you throw at it without any problems, granted, it runs at a lower resolution, but the chips that both versions of the GS3 get are more than capable of running at 720p. For the most part, as long as the UI is fast and stutter free, I don't see any apps or games causing problems. It will take a while before software developers will catch up to the new processors and will really start to challenge them.
    only partialy right.
    snapdragon S4 wont be better energy efficiency than Exynos 4412 (S3 has better battery life than One X) due to HKMG on 32nm process of exynos 4412.
    Intel developed HKMG to replace ordinary semi conductor's silicon (SiO2) so it can reduce power leakage so it runs at much lower power.
    reducing size of process helps on power (so both chip's better than old 40s nm) but cuz of HKMG, Exynos 4412 is better on power consumption.
    06-02-2012 02:54 PM
  15. MannyZ28's Avatar
    only partialy right.
    snapdragon S4 wont be better energy efficiency than Exynos 4412 (S3 has better battery life than One X) due to HKMG on 32nm process of exynos 4412.
    Intel developed HKMG to replace ordinary semi conductor's silicon (SiO2) so it can reduce power leakage so it runs at much lower power.
    reducing size of process helps on power (so both chip's better than old 40s nm) but cuz of HKMG, Exynos 4412 is better on power consumption.
    I read some user reviews of the one x in the forum and most seemed happy with the battery life, all this with a screen of almost identical size and a smaller battery and the arguably resource heavy sense weighing things down. We won't know until we see it ourselves.

    Sent from my SPH-D710 using Android Central Forums
    06-02-2012 03:28 PM
  16. s14tat's Avatar
    only partialy right.
    snapdragon S4 wont be better energy efficiency than Exynos 4412 (S3 has better battery life than One X) due to HKMG on 32nm process of exynos 4412.
    Intel developed HKMG to replace ordinary semi conductor's silicon (SiO2) so it can reduce power leakage so it runs at much lower power.
    reducing size of process helps on power (so both chip's better than old 40s nm) but cuz of HKMG, Exynos 4412 is better on power consumption.
    Thanks, I did not know that. Now we have more ammo against the HTC guys.
    06-02-2012 03:50 PM
  17. jamisont's Avatar
    I read some user reviews of the one x in the forum and most seemed happy with the battery life, all this with a screen of almost identical size and a smaller battery and the arguably resource heavy sense weighing things down. We won't know until we see it ourselves.

    Sent from my SPH-D710 using Android Central Forums
    I said both phone improved on battery life compare to previous versions of phones. 45nm to 28nm improved on energy consumption for snapdragon, also 45nm to 32nm for exynos.

    (4'8 2100mah)

    (4'7 1800mah)

    notice web browsing time? usually AMOLED is well behind on web browsing time since white color drains more power for amoled than LCD.
    difference wouldnt be all on battery size to me.


    (galaxy nexus 4'7 1750mah)

    galaxy note (5'3 2500mah) only lasted 3:25hr on web browsing also.
    06-02-2012 05:05 PM
  18. MannyZ28's Avatar
    I know that they both improved, and I know about the Exynos' fancy new battery saving thingy, but still, it does have a bigger battery. Combine the bigger battery with the fairly efficient S4, and you should have similar battery life.
    06-02-2012 08:32 PM
  19. RonD's Avatar
    Thanks, I did not know that. Now we have more ammo against the HTC guys.
    Samsung and Qualcomm also use HKMG. It's pretty much standard at the 32 and below sizes.
    (It was also developed and used by IBM, AMD, Samsung, and TSMC) (Qualcomm parts are built by TSMC) I think your ammo has a misfire.
    06-02-2012 10:06 PM
  20. s14tat's Avatar
    Samsung and Qualcomm also use HKMG. It's pretty much standard at the 32 and below sizes.
    (It was also developed and used by IBM, AMD, Samsung, and TSMC) (Qualcomm parts are built by TSMC) I think your ammo has a misfire.
    Maybe I should stop looking down at the barrel of a loaded gun.
    06-02-2012 10:49 PM
  21. LazrRocketArm's Avatar
    Samsung and Qualcomm also use HKMG. It's pretty much standard at the 32 and below sizes.
    (It was also developed and used by IBM, AMD, Samsung, and TSMC) (Qualcomm parts are built by TSMC) I think your ammo has a misfire.
    I think the s4 is not hkmg. Here's a quote
    " Qualcomm says they chose TSMC's Poly/SiON and just LP (low power) transistors instead of LPG transistors, which are similar but tend to leak at higher temperatures. According to Qualcomm there's less risk associated with TSMC"

    http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...dragon-s4.aspx

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    06-02-2012 10:54 PM
  22. jamisont's Avatar
    Samsung and Qualcomm also use HKMG. It's pretty much standard at the 32 and below sizes.
    (It was also developed and used by IBM, AMD, Samsung, and TSMC) (Qualcomm parts are built by TSMC) I think your ammo has a misfire.
    Qualcomm dont use HKMG, cuz they get it from TSMC and TSMC only have 28LP available (this process uses PolySiON not HKMG ) so far.
    it would take time for TSMC to fully mass produce 28HPL(HKMG) for AMD, ATI then 28HP(HKMG) much later for Nvidia.

    anyway HKMG was first developed by IBM tech alliance (basically its IBM+Samsung+STM+GF now). AMD didnt use HKMG until 32nm they've used Immersion lithography isntead. (Intel used HKMG on their 45nm, Penryn)
    06-03-2012 10:15 AM
  23. JobiWan144's Avatar
    I said both phone improved on battery life compare to previous versions of phones. 45nm to 28nm improved on energy consumption for snapdragon, also 45nm to 32nm for exynos.

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    (4'8 2100mah)

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    (4'7 1800mah)

    notice web browsing time? usually AMOLED is well behind on web browsing time since white color drains more power for amoled than LCD.
    difference wouldnt be all on battery size to me.

    Click to view quoted image

    (galaxy nexus 4'7 1750mah)

    galaxy note (5'3 2500mah) only lasted 3:25hr on web browsing also.
    HTC One X? Try the EVO 4G LTE instead. It beats the SGSIII by a little bit overall. But if web browsing is your major activity, it dominates. Look at the attachment for this 4.7", 2000mAh puppy running the Qualcomm S4 CPU.
    06-05-2012 01:03 AM
  24. jamisont's Avatar
    HTC One X? Try the EVO 4G LTE instead. It beats the SGSIII by a little bit overall. But if web browsing is your major activity, it dominates. Look at the attachment for this 4.7", 2000mAh puppy running the Qualcomm S4 CPU.
    this is kinda meaningless now since we know S3's gonna get snapdragon S4 for LTE version. anyway are you telling me snapdragon S4 beats exynos 4412?

    there are some benchmarks like vellamo, nenamark, pi benchmark that S4 has higher score but rest of em, Exynos has edge. (antutu, quadrants, GLBenchmark, rightware basemark, browsermark, sunspider etc)
    so tell me which one beats the other?
    06-07-2012 02:15 PM
  25. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    this is kinda meaningless now since we know S3's gonna get snapdragon S4 for LTE version. anyway are you telling me snapdragon S4 beats exynos 4412?

    there are some benchmarks like vellamo, nenamark, pi benchmark that S4 has higher score but rest of em, Exynos has edge. (antutu, quadrants, GLBenchmark, rightware basemark, browsermark, sunspider etc)
    so tell me which one beats the other?
    You tell me why benchmarks matter. The only time I use them and consider them reliable is when comparing different rom/kernel combinations on the same device.

    Real world performance is what matters.

    People that have handled both phones (quad core variants) do say that the SGSIII has a slight edge in speed during regular use. But they also state clearly that neither one is slow.

    I will be really curious to see battery life tests on the US version of the SGSIII, though, because it should be really impressive.
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    06-07-2012 03:59 PM
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