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  1. GMJeff's Avatar
    I never said she couldn't own idevices, but rather it shows some kind of bias against any other company. I do not purchase products based on what is wildly popular with the hipsters today, but rather what works best for me. I have owned idevices up until last year, so i can say i have had them and used them on a daily basis. Did they work for me then? yes. Do they work for me now? no.

    Apple has found ways to draw people into their ecosystem and make it simple for the users. Many come back to them year after year because they are simple. Apple even tells its potential customers this: it is just so minimalist and easy and simple, just press this one button, or slide this one slider and all of your troubles go away, now here drink this and repeat after me as you fall asleep and merge with the universe............

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    08-29-2012 11:23 PM
  2. GrooveRite's Avatar
    I've never really liked AMD, they always seem like the shady cheap knock-off. Plus, I like my processor to emergency shut off before it starts frying and burning lol (I think that was some tech rummer started by Intel to get rid of the competition but its scary enough to make me not want to buy an AMD! lol But I find Intel to have better chip architecture which results in better performance and a more responsive experience while AMD runs high clock speeds but they don't offer the same level of architecture.
    I feel the same way!
    08-30-2012 12:09 AM
  3. Ry's Avatar
    I never said she couldn't own idevices, but rather it shows some kind of bias against any other company. I do not purchase products based on what is wildly popular with the hipsters today, but rather what works best for me. I have owned idevices up until last year, so i can say i have had them and used them on a daily basis. Did they work for me then? yes. Do they work for me now? no.

    Apple has found ways to draw people into their ecosystem and make it simple for the users. Many come back to them year after year because they are simple. Apple even tells its potential customers this: it is just so minimalist and easy and simple, just press this one button, or slide this one slider and all of your troubles go away, now here drink this and repeat after me as you fall asleep and merge with the universe............

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    Not sure why people have to assume that simple smartphones are somehow for idiots. You really shouldn't need to be some tech expert to use and own asm artphone.
    08-30-2012 12:42 AM
  4. Jude526's Avatar
    Absolutely not as what apple is doing imo is completely UN-AMERICAN!! This country is about choice but apple is trying to destroy choice and be a monopolizing dictatorship. I will never buy apple not because of their products but because of their business practices!
    Amen to that!

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    08-30-2012 12:45 AM
  5. 534n's Avatar
    Not sure why people have to assume that simple smartphones are somehow for idiots. You really shouldn't need to be some tech expert to use and own and smartphone.
    Are these conflicting statements or mutually exclusive?

    EDIT: apple devices can be used by the latter. And yes I support the above post.
    08-30-2012 12:45 AM
  6. Scooter_In_MN's Avatar
    Exactly all the major us companies, alot ofCanadian and European, have their manufacturing info structure in greater Asia to fully exploit cheap slave labour so they can get the most profit margin. Also most hold their accounts in offshore banks so they dont have to pay taxes back into their hq counters to better them and giving back to their nations social net. So what's so American, Canadian, or European about them. NOTHING.! Till they start bringing back home manufacturing and their bank accounts. Your supporting an entity and not national pride, economy or product.

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    ?? Have you ever been to a Chinese or Korean factory? There IS NO slave labor in the electronics manufacturing industry. These products are made over there for 2 reasons. NO labor unions which mean they will work a full day. The other reason is that these people have a work ethic! They are all proud of the company they work for and the products they make. Can you think of a single company in the US that can say that today? It's common sense that puts manufacturing over seas. Better products for less money. Period!
    08-30-2012 06:15 AM
  7. Syrous44's Avatar
    ?? Have you ever been to a Chinese or Korean factory? There IS NO slave labor in the electronics manufacturing industry. These products are made over there for 2 reasons. NO labor unions which mean they will work a full day. The other reason is that these people have a work ethic! They are all proud of the company they work for and the products they make. Can you think of a single company in the US that can say that today? It's common sense that puts manufacturing over seas. Better products for less money. Period!
    Yes I agree with you on their strong work ethic and no unions. This is why they are exploited as slave labour. Why slave labour because they work 10-14 hour shifts every day for peanuts. What making 1 us dollar and hour is a wage ok their buddy. And how do you explain the high suicide rate in these so called factories. Please enlighten me, you honestly telling me you would work under the same conditions in your home town, yeah right. Get a freaking clue.

    Their is a reason US companies are stopping manufacturing here. Its not the unions. Its employee rights and protection reform. Their is no way in h@ll that people in the us would work 10-14 hour days for 1 dollar an hour even 5 dollars an hour. Plus we have more stringent environmental laws then these Asian countries. Europeans, Canadians, Americans are just as hard working as Asians, the difference is we don't live fearing for our lives under oppressive regeams, being forced to work under said conditions and fearing to resist or say no.

    You sir need to go back to school and learn about other cultures and political regions. Get out of your bubble, cause your statement is very ignorant. Talk to some individuals that emigrated from china, Taiwan and the like and they will laugh at your rosey picture. Only nations in Asia that have some sort of standards are South Korea and Japan, yet they have their manufacturing in other less standardized Asian nations go figure.

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    09-01-2012 01:53 PM
  8. rexxman's Avatar
    Oh how horrible, investors looking to make a profit and in many cases a huge profit.

    Is this forum and specifically this topic going to morph into one about politics, values, and morals?
    The original posted question should provide for you the obvious answer.

    We all want to buy shoes for a nickel and we all want $100/hr for our own efforts.

    When Henry Ford opened his factories, he paid twice the going labor rate to his workers. When asked why he did this he responded that he wanted his workers to be able to buy the product they are building.

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    09-01-2012 04:36 PM
  9. Scooter_In_MN's Avatar
    Yes I agree with you on their strong work ethic and no unions. This is why they are exploited as slave labour. Why slave labour because they work 10-14 hour shifts every day for peanuts. What making 1 us dollar and hour is a wage ok their buddy. And how do you explain the high suicide rate in these so called factories. Please enlighten me, you honestly telling me you would work under the same conditions in your home town, yeah right. Get a freaking clue.

    Their is a reason US companies are stopping manufacturing here. Its not the unions. Its employee rights and protection reform. Their is no way in h@ll that people in the us would work 10-14 hour days for 1 dollar an hour even 5 dollars an hour. Plus we have more stringent environmental laws then these Asian countries. Europeans, Canadians, Americans are just as hard working as Asians, the difference is we don't live fearing for our lives under oppressive regeams, being forced to work under said conditions and fearing to resist or say no.

    You sir need to go back to school and learn about other cultures and political regions. Get out of your bubble, cause your statement is very ignorant. Talk to some individuals that emigrated from china, Taiwan and the like and they will laugh at your rosey picture. Only nations in Asia that have some sort of standards are South Korea and Japan, yet they have their manufacturing in other less standardized Asian nations go figure.

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    I have talked to a few. I lived in China for a year and a half and still travel to Taiwan. My best friend still lives in Baoding. I know first hand the culture, working conditions, and the work ethic there so I "don't live in a bubble" or need to learn about Asia from a book. The only thing that they laugh at is us and OUR work ethic. You are correct that they get peanuts compared to us but they can actually live off of what they make. ALL of the Asians that I know that emigrated to the US did so because they got married to an American or they wanted their children to attend an american school. Not because of the rosey way we treat employees. I know that this point of view is forced on you by the media and I get that but it's simply not true. Americans have to understand that nobody (including ourselves) will by a product made here at twice the costs than from somewhere else for the same or better quality. Basic math.
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    09-02-2012 08:39 AM
  10. sprof's Avatar
    I have no problem supporting them by buying their products. They support me by buying millions of dollars of testing equipment from the company I work for.

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    09-02-2012 08:53 AM
  11. pauldroidr2d2's Avatar
    The original posted question should provide for you the obvious answer.

    We all want to buy shoes for a nickel and we all want $100/hr for our own efforts.

    When Henry Ford opened his factories, he paid twice the going labor rate to his workers. When asked why he did this he responded that he wanted his workers to be able to buy the product they are building.

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    Different times, different situations. Henry Ford, didn't have to deal with a plethora of costs and burdons that modern day companies have to.

    Let's take it a step further, we are living in a global economy, something that was not a factor for Ford's generation. Even good old Henry Fords company outsources much of its assembly.
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    09-02-2012 11:35 AM
  12. TauntingBull's Avatar
    Other than their home office and their storefronts what is American about Apple?
    True
    09-02-2012 11:40 AM
  13. Syrous44's Avatar
    . I know that this point of view is forced on you by the media and I get that but it's simply not true. Americans have to understand that nobody (including ourselves) will by a product made here at twice the costs than from somewhere else for the same or better quality. Basic math.
    I think you have a media skewed perspective if you believe globalization and off shore manufacturing is good and benefits the American consumer.

    If you read works by economics professors and economists that are not swayed by corporate interests they will tell you that globalization and the global economy are killing our way of life and will blow up in our faces making the depression of the 30s look like preschool.

    You want basic math, here it is if we would manufacturer are own stuff at a higher wage then we get now, we could afford a 1400 dollar iPhone and still have money for mortgage and the rest. At the same time living without debt. But guess what the man wants you in financial debt so you can be a mindless work drone worrying about your finances, while corporates and politicians rake in the money and the vast majority have nothing. In the 50s and 60s the majority of americans had homes cars luxuries with close to zero debt with hardly any unemployment today they are buried in debt, with high unemployment. look at the great USA if they continue on their downward economic spiral they surely will have the economy of a 3rd world country in the next 5-10 years. They already desimimated many a cities and towns in Michigan because of all the foreign manufacturer of car parts. The global economy is nothing more then a sham the biggest ponzy scheme ever created and people like yourself are falling for it. The banks and governments are printing money out of thin air, we will never make up the dept of our nations under this system. Apple Samsung and others are forcing this cr@p down our throats all in the name of higher margins while we live in a society of major debt.


    And you talk about basic math. If we make way more then current we can afford higher priced products. Funny how over the last 30 years prices on everything have gone up 10 fold but our wages only doubled or tripled and you dont see a problem with this and I need the simple math lesson oh brother.

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    09-02-2012 02:43 PM
  14. pauldroidr2d2's Avatar
    Absolutely not as what apple is doing imo is completely UN-AMERICAN!! This country is about choice but apple is trying to destroy choice and be a monopolizing dictatorship. I will never buy apple not because of their products but because of their business practices!
    I think you make some very good points.

    When you consider how long it has been since Apple has made any significant updates to iOS, plus their hard and fast rule to only releasing a new phone once a year (if you can call it that), even though they only change their phone once every couple of years and at least in my opinion you have a recipe for disaster in the long run.

    Apple no longer has the luxury of having the smartphone with the largest of anything. Clearly, Apple is worried. One of the terms that Jobs coined (fragmentation) regarding Android as being a weakness is turning into one of its strengths. Can it be a headache having so many different styles of phones along with a variety of handsets, hell yes. Is it annoying when a company like Motorola releases new phones every couple of months, oh hell yes it is. But, ultimately, at least in my opinion it is benefiting the consumer.

    iOS is just downright old and tired. It is a very restrictive operating system. There are some definite advantages to having it this way, but how long is it going to be before the consumers no longer need an iPhone for a year or two?

    Now look at Android, look at how much it has changed since the very first version. There are significant changes, not to mention with each new release there are significant improvements.

    At one time, iOS was innovative, original and creative. That is simply not the case anymore. There are features that have been incorporated into later versions of iOS that are clearly "borrowed" from Android. The notification bar is a significant one. Folders and desktop customization are also in that area in my opinion.
    09-02-2012 02:56 PM
  15. Syrous44's Avatar
    And I am not saying there aren't well of people in china and Taiwan. But I have a few friends that teach English in both countries in smaller manufacturing cities and the stories they tell me and our friends are disgusting and appalling when it comes to working conditions, and how many in these towns and cities live on edge of poverty. All I was saying was you would not want to work in the conditions i was described. What you see on your china trips is show for the westerners what happens behind the scenes is different, china is a communist nation, I immigrated from Poland to flee communist rule, believe me when I say you would not like to live under such system. Nor do people that are stuck in such nations.

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    09-02-2012 03:01 PM
  16. kiwicarlos741's Avatar
    I think you make some very good points.

    When you consider how long it has been since Apple has made any significant updates to iOS, plus their hard and fast rule to only releasing a new phone once a year (if you can call it that), even though they only change their phone once every couple of years and at least in my opinion you have a recipe for disaster in the long run.

    Apple no longer has the luxury of having the smartphone with the largest of anything. Clearly, Apple is worried. One of the terms that Jobs coined (fragmentation) regarding Android as being a weakness is turning into one of its strengths. Can it be a headache having so many different styles of phones along with a variety of handsets, hell yes. Is it annoying when a company like Motorola releases new phones every couple of months, oh hell yes it is. But, ultimately, at least in my opinion it is benefiting the consumer.

    iOS is just downright old and tired. It is a very restrictive operating system. There are some definite advantages to having it this way, but how long is it going to be before the consumers no longer need an iPhone for a year or two?

    Now look at Android, look at how much it has changed since the very first version. There are significant changes, not to mention with each new release there are significant improvements.

    At one time, iOS was innovative, original and creative. That is simply not the case anymore. There are features that have been incorporated into later versions of iOS that are clearly "borrowed" from Android. The notification bar is a significant one. Folders and desktop customization are also in that area in my opinion.
    They copied everything that ios is from everyone, before the first apple iPhone treos and blackberries lead the smartphone industry. I could name countless things from even those two that were stolen and yet they cry like little babies over Samsung's devices.

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    09-03-2012 01:00 AM
  17. TankMech's Avatar
    Having spent a year in SK, they have just as much American aspects as the U.S. does. And being one if not the closest allies we have in the world, along with a huge trade economy I would say they should get our cash over anyone else. Samsung's products are awesome, not just their phones. Their cars are great, tvs, vast appliances and electronics. If you look at our relationship it would be stupid to say we support a foreign country by buying Samsung products. My ROK brother's in arms are great friends and good people, who many of our countrymen died for to give them the freedoms they have today. I don't see what Samsung did wrong in making a product that smokes the competion. Nothing in their phone or tab lines looks or feels anything like a iPhone. I have soldiers with both and my wife a sg3, and had an iPhone back in the day. Apple is pathetic in trying to do this only to Samsung. All smart phones have "similarities" its innevitable. The patents crapple holds are junk. Be glad when u buy a SK product, it makes us look more American imo. We helped make Samsung what it is today. Apple is weak without Steve blowjobs, they are reaching out for help and its obvious. This won't even hurt Sammy though. But apple beingbanned in SK? That will hurt them. Lol. Specially once their chips have to be bought somewhere else, making them even more less american. And I'm waiting till my upgrade comes to get a new note 2, or a new nexus if they come out with a quad core...mmm..nice...

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    09-03-2012 01:35 AM
  18. pauldroidr2d2's Avatar
    They copied everything that ios is from everyone, before the first apple iPhone treos and blackberries lead the smartphone industry. I could name countless things from even those two that were stolen and yet they cry like little babies over Samsung's devices.

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    It is documented evidence that Samsung did in fact intend to copy Apple's iPhone. Whether Apple copied anyone, or not is irrelevant especially from a legal standpoint. The relevant part is who holds the patents. Samsung rather stupidly admitted to stealing patented features and designs. That is rather significant.
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    09-03-2012 03:22 AM
  19. Champion1229's Avatar
    It is documented evidence that Samsung did in fact intend to copy Apple's iPhone. Whether Apple copied anyone, or not is irrelevant especially from a legal standpoint. The relevant part is who holds the patents. Samsung rather stupidly admitted to stealing patented features and designs. That is rather significant.
    I think there is more to it then what Apple and Samsung is telling. I mean Apple pulled those emails out of context! I bet there was some other type of conversation going on and then that just happened to come up but not in the manner Apple made it out to be. I read those emails that Apple released and yes they sounded like they intended to copy but my general impression off of them was Samsung executives saying, "we need something like the iPhone" and that is by all means legal. I mean when the first computer came out every company was like we need something similar but yet no one sued. What about when Ford announced the Mustang? Every other car manufacturer said, "we need something similar that can compete" but yet they didn't get sued over their cars.
    09-03-2012 06:20 PM
  20. Ry's Avatar
    It is documented evidence that Samsung did in fact intend to copy Apple's iPhone. Whether Apple copied anyone, or not is irrelevant especially from a legal standpoint. The relevant part is who holds the patents. Samsung rather stupidly admitted to stealing patented features and designs. That is rather significant.
    And Samsung's "they stole so we stole from them" defense didn't really do them any favors.

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    09-03-2012 06:24 PM
  21. pauldroidr2d2's Avatar
    I think there is more to it then what Apple and Samsung is telling. I mean Apple pulled those emails out of context!
    What was the proper context in your opinion?
    I bet there was some other type of conversation going on and then that just happened to come up but not in the manner Apple made it out to be. I read those emails that Apple released and yes they sounded like they intended to copy but my general impression off of them was Samsung executives saying, "we need something like the iPhone" and that is by all means legal.
    Unfortunately, from what it looks like, Samsung in those early phones did a great job in making their phones look like the iphone. At this point, your impression is moot. The fact of the matter is, Samsung is guilty of copying the iPhone.
    I mean when the first computer came out every company was like we need something similar but yet no one sued. What about when Ford announced the Mustang? Every other car manufacturer said, "we need something similar that can compete" but yet they didn't get sued over their cars.
    From what I recall regarding automobiles, the Mustang isn't almost identical to other cars in that class. I've posted pictures of some Samsung's early phones with the earlier iPhones. They do look very much a like. There were plenty of things that Samsung could've done to make their phones look very different than the iPhone, but they chose not too.
    09-03-2012 07:29 PM
  22. Ry's Avatar
    From what I recall regarding automobiles, the Mustang isn't almost identical to other cars in that class. I've posted pictures of some Samsung's early phones with the earlier iPhones. They do look very much a like. There were plenty of things that Samsung could've done to make their phones look very different than the iPhone, but they chose not too.
    And IIRC, trade-dress isn't an issue with Apple and ongoing lawsuits with other Android OEMs.


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    09-03-2012 07:46 PM
  23. Champion1229's Avatar
    What was the proper context in your opinion?
    Like I said, I think it was two top execs pointing out a possible area for innovation and profit. Just like a lot of other companies out there, they saw another company doing something and decided they wanted to do something similar but make it even better! Maybe they did take it a little overboard trying to make it look exactly the same but Apple is being a little cry baby here, they're trying to say they invented the black rectangle with rounded edges! I mean every TV made looks similar, what about Laptops? They all have a screen, are rectangular, have keyboard, trackpad, IO connections, etc but yet someone isn't claiming they invented it and trying to sue everyone who makes something similar (Well, actually Apple is trying to say they own the wedge shape design but thats an entirely different story!)
    09-03-2012 09:32 PM
  24. pauldroidr2d2's Avatar
    Like I said, I think it was two top execs pointing out a possible area for innovation and profit. Just like a lot of other companies out there, they saw another company doing something and decided they wanted to do something similar but make it even better! Maybe they did take it a little overboard trying to make it look exactly the same but Apple is being a little cry baby here, they're trying to say they invented the black rectangle with rounded edges!
    Well considering they are guilty of willfully violating Apple's patents, I'd say you are correct they went a little over board. Just a small mistake though that will cost the company a little over a billion dollars (at this point). I wonder how many jobs will be cut at Samsung because of a couple of top executives "going overboard." I'm sorry, but they did not have to design a phone that looked almost identical to the iPhone. Motorola didn't seem to have that problem, HTC didn't either.
    I mean every TV made looks similar, what about Laptops? They all have a screen, are rectangular, have keyboard, trackpad, IO connections, etc but yet someone isn't claiming they invented it and trying to sue everyone who makes something similar (Well, actually Apple is trying to say they own the wedge shape design but thats an entirely different story!)
    All irrelevant. That is not what was being challenged in court. All the excuse making in the world, doesn't excuse Samsung for what it did, nor does it reserve the judgment against them.
    09-03-2012 10:10 PM
  25. BBSeattle's Avatar
    In response to the OP; go look at everything you own.
    Most everything you own is likely from abroad....
    Shoes, clothes, TV, cooking utensils, appliances, toothbrush, etc.
    The name on the product does not determine where it's from.
    09-03-2012 11:22 PM
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