09-03-2012 07:00 PM
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  1. eagle63's Avatar
    I'm not worried about it at all. The money won't affect Samsung and their going to appeal it anyway. An appeal will also put the breaks on any possible product bans. by the time this whole thing is really settled all those products will be outdated obsolete models. It bugs me that certain moronic media outlets keep reporting this as a blow or damaging to "Android", it's not... it's a blow to Samsung. And the whole Steve Jobs thermonuclear on Android because "it's a stolen product" is a total load of horse(youknowhat). Android is based on Linux, an OS Apple eventually switched to themselves and was developed by Linus Torvalds, it's not stolen from Apple.
    Actually iOS and OSX are built on Unix, not Linux. But I agree with most of your points, Android is definitely not "stolen" from iOS. And I don't think this threatens base-Android much at all. This is really Samsung specific, and as I've said before I think Samsung deserves a smack in the face for what they did. That said, I'm not at all a fan of the current patent system with regard to software and I do think it needs some overhauling. (I don't think it should be completely abolished, but there are currently waaaay too many patents that shouldn't exist)
    08-28-2012 12:58 PM
  2. Rev2010's Avatar
    Actually iOS and OSX are built on Unix, not Linux.
    Correct, it's a BSD variant, and I knew this, just somehow err'd. My bad.


    Rev.
    08-28-2012 01:07 PM
  3. eagle63's Avatar
    Correct, it's a BSD variant, and I knew this, just somehow err'd. My bad.


    Rev.
    I figured you knew, I'm just picky today for some reason - got the red pen out.
    08-28-2012 02:14 PM
  4. funkylogik's Avatar
    gold star *
    08-28-2012 08:45 PM
  5. JHBThree's Avatar
    I just think some of these patents are just plain stupid. How can some thing so basic as pinch-to-zoom be a patent by Apple? How was that even allowed. That's like the most basic way to zoom in. "Experts" say that the verdict might be good for the industry, because it will force developers to innovate and come out with new ideas, but how else are you suppose to do the most basic functions? What other innovative ways are they suppose to zoom in and out? Double tap if you want to zoom in. Triple tap if you want to zoom out. Yell at your phone if you want to zoom in slightly. It's like putting a patent on the back key to make you go back to the previous page. It's as ridiculous as putting a patent on walking. "Oh you can no longer walk with one foot in front of the other. You have to come up with an innovative way of walking."
    If pinch to zoom and double tap are so obvious, then why did no phones use it prior to the iPhone, but all smartphones use it after?

    Not debating the validity of the patent, more questioning the fact that you are casting pinch to zoom as 'the most basic way to zoom in' when it didn't even exist in the mobile realm (and sparsely elsewhere) prior to the iPhone. While something may seem obvious now, prior to 2007 concepts like pinch to zoom were unheard of.
    08-28-2012 08:58 PM
  6. Tkbredx's Avatar
    I don't even like lunch to zoom that much. It takes more than one hand for the average user so that sucks... I rather zoom in by holding an area and moving my thumb clock wise to zoom in father and father and counter clock wise for zooming out
    08-28-2012 09:04 PM
  7. radar320's Avatar
    What it comes down to is the broken US patent system. It seems there are no checks and balances in place to assure that a company can't take a concept from someone else, find a different way to apply it, and then get a patent on it. Some of the patents granted to Apple are on prior art, and so loosely worded and broad, that by the time a company comes up with a new innovation, someone at Apple is going to look at it and say, yep it infringes on patent X, so let's sue and get it banned. I read on another site, I believe it was a law revue site, that laid out several points that gives Samsung ammo in it's appeals. Also from what I have read there is also going to be or already is an investigation at the patent office on the patents in question, plus I have heard anti-trust and Apple being mentioned.
    08-28-2012 09:29 PM
  8. JHBThree's Avatar
    What it comes down to is the broken US patent system. It seems there are no checks and balances in place to assure that a company can't take a concept from someone else, find a different way to apply it, and then get a patent on it. Some of the patents granted to Apple are on prior art, and so loosely worded and broad, that by the time a company comes up with a new innovation, someone at Apple is going to look at it and say, yep it infringes on patent X, so let's sue and get it banned. I read on another site, I believe it was a law revue site, that laid out several points that gives Samsung ammo in it's appeals. Also from what I have read there is also going to be or already is an investigation at the patent office on the patents in question, plus I have heard anti-trust and Apple being mentioned.
    Groklaw is not exactly reputable.

    Also, your entire post doesn't really have anything to do with this situation unless you've been reading too many android blogs.
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    08-28-2012 09:57 PM
  9. Rev2010's Avatar
    If pinch to zoom and double tap are so obvious, then why did no phones use it prior to the iPhone, but all smartphones use it after?
    Probably because they weren't yet using multi-touch capable capacitive screens - something Apple didn't even invent.


    Rev.
    08-28-2012 10:32 PM
  10. JHBThree's Avatar
    Probably because they weren't yet using multi-touch capable capacitive screens - something Apple didn't even invent.


    Rev.
    And? If it was so obvious, manufacturers would have found a way. Multitouch resistive screens exist, and yet no manufacturer implemented anything resembling pinch to zoom.

    Also, no one is claiming apple invented capacitive screens, so throwing out that little barb does nothing to help your argument.
    08-28-2012 10:34 PM
  11. dmmarck's Avatar
    I love how the same arguments are occurring in 18 different threads.

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    Ry likes this.
    08-28-2012 10:37 PM
  12. GrooveRite's Avatar
    I love how the same arguments are occurring in 18 different threads.

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    lol....you're the moderator right!!?!....so moderate!!! lol
    08-28-2012 11:11 PM
  13. dmmarck's Avatar
    lol....you're the moderator right!!?!....so moderate!!! lol
    I stay in my neck of the woods

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    08-28-2012 11:16 PM
  14. Paul627g's Avatar
    Not to much we can do about threads spawning concerning the Apple vs Samsung issue. As long as they stay on topic and civil discussion we will let them ride.


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    08-29-2012 12:16 AM
  15. funkylogik's Avatar
    yeah i respect the mods on here, ive only had two warnings and they were justified.
    im all for freedom of opinion and unless comments get personal, thesse kinds of disgussions are healthy. we all learn something even if some of us dont like to admit it
    08-29-2012 04:19 AM
  16. davidnc's Avatar
    08-29-2012 04:24 AM
  17. funkylogik's Avatar
    LMAO so childish but i love it they should pay it in play store gift cards
    08-29-2012 04:27 AM
  18. eagle63's Avatar
    Also, let's not forget that pinch to zoom was not even part of this lawsuit - apple has never gone after anyone for that. (I don't think they even hold a patent for it? )

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    08-29-2012 07:09 AM
  19. Rev2010's Avatar
    Also, no one is claiming apple invented capacitive screens, so throwing out that little barb does nothing to help your argument.
    Lol at your snippiness. Go have a beer and easy down fella. And for the record I wasn't "arguing" anything.

    *EDIT - one last thing since you said pinch to zoom was basically non-existent before the iPhone, there was a product called the DiamondTouch developed in 2001, it has multi-touch and they used the same basic pinch to zoom/shrink gestures that the iPhone used in it's 2007 release:

    http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/08/pin...bogue-in-2003/

    It was also demonstrated to Apple in 2003. Watch the video at the bottom. Pretty obvious where Apple got the idea from.


    Rev.
    08-29-2012 07:28 AM
  20. JHBThree's Avatar
    Lol at your snippiness. Go have a beer and easy down fella. And for the record I wasn't "arguing" anything.

    *EDIT - one last thing since you said pinch to zoom was basically non-existent before the iPhone, there was a product called the DiamondTouch developed in 2001, it has multi-touch and they used the same basic pinch to zoom/shrink gestures that the iPhone used in it's 2007 release:

    http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/08/pin...bogue-in-2003/

    It was also demonstrated to Apple in 2003. Watch the video at the bottom. Pretty obvious where Apple got the idea from.


    Rev.
    Did I say multi touch didn't exist? Nope. I said it was almost nonexistent, and certainly didn't exist in the mobile world.

    Also, go read the verges coverage of the trial. Diamond touch wasn't the prior art Samsung (and you just now) are making it out to be.

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    08-29-2012 12:54 PM
  21. Jaimeg123prmt's Avatar
    Probably because they weren't yet using multi-touch capable capacitive screens - something Apple didn't even invent.


    Rev.
    exactly. How would pinch-to-zoom even work on a blackberry phone? Pinch-to-zoom was already used on computers with touch screen and on tvs before Apple put them on phones.
    09-01-2012 01:18 PM
  22. JHBThree's Avatar
    exactly. How would pinch-to-zoom even work on a blackberry phone? Pinch-to-zoom was already used on computers with touch screen and on tvs before Apple put them on phones.
    Cites please.

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    09-01-2012 02:32 PM
  23. Rev2010's Avatar
    Cites please.
    I personally don't know of any TV's or major consumer market devices that used pinch to zoom before the iPhone, But there were some products, pinch to zoom was on the Diamond Touch many years before Appple used it and the designer of it said he demonstrated it to Apple in 2003. I did a quick search and apparently there was also Microsoft Surface 1.0 which was announced in 2007 and shipped in 2008, it too had pinch to zoom. There's a video that demonstrates it in this wiki page:

    Microsoft PixelSense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The concept has also been done in movies such as Minority Report in 2002. TV's though? None that I know of.


    Rev.
    09-02-2012 09:21 AM
  24. JHBThree's Avatar
    I personally don't know of any TV's or major consumer market devices that used pinch to zoom before the iPhone, But there were some products, pinch to zoom was on the Diamond Touch many years before Appple used it and the designer of it said he demonstrated it to Apple in 2003. I did a quick search and apparently there was also Microsoft Surface 1.0 which was announced in 2007 and shipped in 2008, it too had pinch to zoom. There's a video that demonstrates it in this wiki page:

    Microsoft PixelSense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The concept has also been done in movies such as Minority Report in 2002. TV's though? None that I know of.


    Rev.
    Consumer market is the key word.

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    09-02-2012 12:43 PM
  25. Rev2010's Avatar
    Consumer market is the key word.
    Apple definitely did get this out first to the consumer market, no doubt about that and no argument from me there. I only get annoyed when people act that Apple has invented or first conceptualized a number of things they didn't.


    Rev.
    09-02-2012 02:38 PM
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